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Government can keep selling bonds as they do now. When they need to borrow money they can go to the Bank Of Canada and not the private banks. They pay back the loans from The Bank Of Canada the same way they do with private banks. Going to the private banks vs bank of Canada is no different wrt inflation. This is common BS that is used by politicians. Money is money and if BOC lends it interest free rather than having private bankers print it off and charge interest then our economy is working less for private bankers and more for us. I've heard people give arguemnt to my 911 conspiracy theories, there are still people around that think Oswald shot Kennedy, but I have never heard anyone give any arguement in favour of private bankers collecting our tax dollars and giving nothing in return. This is common sense and to argue in favour of private bankers financing government is really rediculous. You are a complete fool. Is there anything you have heard from politicians or seen on TV that you do not believe ? Yopu have pointed out nothing in terms of facts you have repeated the same crap we hear from politicians and anyone with a few brain cells can easily see through that. You must be working for the establishment to argue this nonsense.

Saying that Israel is doing something wrong is not anti semitic. If that were the case wouyld we just sanction anything Israel wanted to do ? Suppose they started bombing Canada ? We would have people on this group saying that criticising them for doing so is anti simetic. Many Israelis have been stepping up about the treatment of Palistinians. The web has enabled them to see the unfiltered trith of the occupation. I've seen videos of IDF soldiers shooting Israeli citizens for protesting the treatment of Palistinians. I have seen members of the IDF remark about how different the reported news in Israel is compared to the actual occurances on Palistinian lands.

Israel is a repeated violator of UN resolutions that pass. Most UN resolutions that get voted in then get vetoed by US, Britain, Canada & Australia. Every other country thinks Israel needs to be controlled. Can Palistinians break the law against Israeli soldiers that are occupying their territory ? How often do we hear about Israels violations of human rights on TV ? How often do we see them operating their checkpoints ? How many people know that Palistine cannot get a seaport because Israel holds that piece of land preventing them from getting their seaport ? How often does mainstream Zionist controlled media show Israelis plowing down Palistinian houses ? How many people know that Palistinians are restricted in the depth of their water wells where Israelis on the same but illegally occupied land are not restricted ? Not many people know these things BECAUSE THEY DON"T READ. They watch corporate controlled mainstream media that is largely under Zionist control and do not get anything close to the truth. To get to the truth you must hear both sides of the story but the TV only gives you one side.

I'm not depending on that in any way. Anyone that looks at the evidence of 911 can see that much of the building was converted to dust and was not on the site after the accident. So therefore the buildings just didn't fall down.

No, money borrowed by the government would be paid back through taxes the same way as money borrowed from private bankers gets paid back through taxes. No difference except the money spent on interest could be spent on capital works projects, education and hospitalization that would justify the increased money supply. Why can't you understand this ? You just keep repeating what banker bought politicians say and its easily shown to be stupid. Taxiation would be an inflationary control device rather than an opressive device. Private bankers wouldn't profit so much from wars and would be less involved in politics. You do scare me, but not because of your small share in bank profits. Your complete and absolutely determined stupidity scares me because there are so many like you.

The government of Canada should finance its own debt by lending the country money through the Bank Of Canada and recovering through taxation. No private bankers involved.

Riverwind: You are the most dedicated government/financial oligarchy apologist I have ever met. You should do some research in alternative media instead of thinking conglomerated corporate media has your interest in mind.

Private banks do not borrow money from the Bank Of Canada ! The Bank Of Canada got us out of the depression and allowed us to recover from ww2 very quickly. It is now largely irrelevant and is used to print only hand held currency. Electronic money is created by private banks. Why don't you investigate this instead of assuming what you think is fact ?

They do pay interest on a small fraction of what they create - they pay it to the central banker who is another private banker !

Its fact not fiction.

The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity. -Abraham Lincoln In answer to the above question: The banks must have people work for the money to earn its value otherwise its worth nothing. Its just numbers on a piece of paper. Money enables the economy, alone it is worthless. War creates the work needed to earn the money more efficiently than anything else plus it keeps poiliticians happy who get a tiny bit of the action by investing in Haliburton. Hillary was worth about 0.5 million before Bush got into power, now she is worth 50 million - the 30 million she spent to get re elected.

Yes, but this could not account for the dust and the dissapearance of most of the building mass. When you look at ground zero in photos after the accident, one question immediately comes to mind: "where did all the building parts go". Its obvious that much of the buildings in the case of wtc1 & wtc2 just dissapeared. No wonder no one could take pics at ground level right after the collapse.... I don't know where I got it from but its called the "1/3 rule" in demolition. I think it was a Discovery Channel show on CD's

Thats true when the government finances war with bonds, but too much of this depresses the economy. When the government buys bonds from banks they print off the money for nothing to pay for them. The difference between government borrowing money from a nationalist banks such as the Bank Of Canada vs private banks is the interest - which incidentally - must be printed off as well causing inflation. I know that you like the idea of Rockefeller and his gang of thugs getting our money in return for nothing, and you will back these guys up and the war mongers no matter what they do but I think we are better off without paying this interest to private bankers. I don't understand how paying 28 % of income tax to wealthy private bankers who give nothing in return helps our economy.

I suggets you look at the presidential quotes about banking in my Wall Street/ Banker thread. You should stop getting information from the corporate controlled mainstream media. Ten corporations own the media.

Its true that the government does get money by issuing bonds, but did you notice a big war bond push for the wars of late ? The interest on public debt does in fact go directly into the pockets of private bankers - thats why we have a big national debt. If the money went back to the government we would not be in debt !. You can learn about banking from many sources and see this. The UK and Canada both have monetary reform websites and they do explain it. Your banker sponsored educational system and the banker controlled publishing houses are very careful about what they say. Congressman Larry P MacDonald did a study on who owns the banks - he did a congressional report that shows it was the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Schiffs, etc - same crowd that started the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve Act was signed into law a few days before Xmas when most people that would have voted against it were home for the holidays. MacDonald was killed when his plane was shot down over Russia by a Russian Missile. He was a fighter against the New World Order and often spoke openly against it. Kennedy was killed after he decided to nationalize the banks. Jackson had an attempted assasination because of his war with the banks. His tombstone says "I Killed The Banks" Woodrow Wilson said: "I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men". -Woodrow Wilson Presidential Quotes On Banking

See New World Order Quotes Also notice the number of "detention centers" that are being built. Mainstream recently announced that Haliburton got another 385 million dollar no bid contract. These detention centers can be found where rails link. Its an efficient way of moving large numbers of people. The dention centers have funny looking buses in some (like the ones in China) and asphixiation facilities in others. These are in virtually all countries all over the world. Who is going to feed all these people ? From the quotes you can learn that there will be a new language and a new religion. Old dogs don't learn new tricks. Have you got your instructional tape for the new language yet ?

John Kenneth Galbraith

"In our time, the curse is monetary illiteracy, just as inability to read plain print was the curse in earlier centuries." Ezra Pound Ezra Pound was a poet that existed after world war 1. He wanted to know why so many of his friends died in the war. He hired Eustace Mullins to go to the library of congress and figure out why. He found a magazine about the secret meeting of bankers on an island called Jekyll Island off the eastern coast of the USA. Mullins was the first to learn the big secret and he wrote a book called Secrets Of The Federal Reserve. Ask an economist where our money comes from if you don't believe me. I have read a lot about this and have consulted with high level economists. The first mention of the book to me called "The Creature From Jekyll Ilsand" came from a Phd economist.

Not true. Not even close although its what many people believe. The governments are not involved with the printing of money and the Federal Reserve is strictly a privatly owned company. In the case of Canada the government determines prime but the banks print off the money for virtually bothing, reserve ratio = 300:1. The banks do not borrow from anyone. Also, the banks are printing off enourmous amounts of money. Currency supply has multiplied by 4 since Bush got into office, a lot of it is in secret bank accounts (like the 3 trillion that went missing from the Pentagon before 9/11). Lots of it is in the backs of pickup trucks and being driven around in Iraq and some of it is being used to pay off Afghanistan people to stop them from helping the "Taliban". See: Confessions Of An Economic Hit Man by John Perkins The Money Masters Video (free on Google) The Creature From Jekyll Island (Book/Griffin) Money As Debt (video - Canadian Action Party) Fantopia (book/Gibbs) The Money Bomb (book/Gibbs) Why We Fight (video for rent at video rental places) Also see five page book on money posted from the UK. They are a lot further along in this monetary reform movement than we are.

If our system was different your house would be even bigger and you would have paid less for it because the people that build it would not be paying as much income tax so wouldn't need as much money to work. Its a stupid arguement but one often used by politicians. When the government creates money, it still gets paid back but without interest or at very low interest. The profits of banking serve the Canadaian people in capital projects instead of going into the pockets of private bankers who then decide who will get to be government and control us. When Bank Of Canada finances projects we still pay them back or else we would be into a lot of inflation. Private bankers are in banking for their own benefit, not to protect Canadian people. I'm not surprised that you would stand up for such a corrupt system. The economics in this system add up about as well as the physics of the official version of 911. If we ever meet I will bring a book of matches so that I can give them to you and watch you set yourself on fire. After all, if you set yourself on fire you remain warm for the rest of your life, an advantage that would not be lost on an economic/engineering/phsysics prodigy such as yourself.

So how profitable is war ? Lets examine the profits earned by the construction of a singlke Abrams tank worth 3 miullion dollars and see who makes what (1) Government borrows 3 million dollars from provate bankers who print the money for nothing and collect the interest from taxes for eternity. The present value of which is 3 million dollars so the bankers make 3 million dollars right at the start. (2) The defence contractors make about 25 % ofr the tanks value which is about $750,000.00. So, so far over a 3 million dollar tank, 3.75 million dollars have been made. OK so that sounds like a lot of money, but where is the real money made ? To answer this we must examine why we go to war. We go to war so that our banks can take over their banks and print their money for nothing and lend it to them at full face value. Bankers, in the case of the USA own both partuies. Americans can vote for the Rockefeller Democrats or the Rockefeller Republicans. If Rockefeller didn't want war, there would not be war. When the war starts the tanks get used to destroy things. How much money value of destruction can one tank bring about ? Lets assume that a 3 million dollar tank can do 3 million dollars worth of damage. When the war is over and we win, the corrupt puppet government that we put in its place borrows money for reconstruction of the country and hires our corporations to do it. From the 3 million dollars in damage lets assume our contractors make 25 % off the reconstruction. The bankers again print off 3 million dollars, lend it to the new government who in turn pays our contractors to rebuild. That is at least another 3.75 million dollars. Thats also assumming one tank only does 3 million dollars worth of damage. I suggest that a tank can do much more damage than this. From this we can see that our financial oligarchy makes a lot of money from war and war lets them consolidate even more power so they can start more wars. The idea is to take over their banks and subject them to the same system we have ! Putting a corrupt government in place gets them halfway there. They just pay the dictator a few million dollars and he signs the banks over. We always go to war with countries that have governments that represent the people and will not allow the banks to take over any other way.

You need both types of explosives - one type to cut critical beams and make the building go straight down, another type to convert everything to dust so that all those financial records go missing. Even hard drives were converted to dust in this explosion. The existence of conventional building demolition explosives has been proven but there was another energy source to make this all happen the way it did. The enrgy deficit is real. We know that nearly all the concrete was pulverized to dust. There was no a great big pile of debris after the collapses - the building practically dissapeared. Typically there is the 1/3 rule where the debris pile is 1/3 the height of the building. If you have seen ww2 pics after a bombing, piles of debris are where buildings used to be.

Talking about monetary reform goes right to the very heart of the beast. People get killed for it. The Kennedies was killed for it. Everything else pales in comparison to the importance of monetary reform. The importance of monetary reform can never be overstated. Everyone, please watch the Money Masters video. Its free and will be the most important documentary you will ever see and will change your whole outlook on politics and the world. The Money Masters View it here for free.

Watch 911 Mysteries Part1: Demolition and look at the evidence around 911 being a government conspiracy. There are piles of both circumstantial evidence for this as well as direct physical evidence. There is no evidence that supports the official version - none at all. Zero. Zip. Its a fantasy.

No, monetary reform is much more important than any war or anything to do with 911.