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They can pick the two of them up any time, take them away and shoot them without telling anyone - legally. Just because they haven't done it yet doesn't mean they can't do it. They are in so much trouble in Iraq right now that they cannot aford to start dissapearing people. From a law professor with an audio link interview below: "So in other words they are taken the position that in some point in time if they want to, they can unilaterally round up United States native born citizens, as they did for Japanese Americans in World War Two, and stick us into concentration camps. That is correct. They haven't actually yet done it but my guess is that the papers have been drawn up... and we know that the FEMA camps are out there. So it's clear that the Bush people, I guess they are waiting for some other terrorist attack, another anthrax attack, who knows what, and then they will proceed to invoke these emergency orders." Re 911 Attacks: "They let it happen because they wanted a war and they wanted a police state, all the elements for a war against Afghanistan were there in place, even the military force in the gulf were there on the scene, there were massive military forces in the gulf, in the Atlantic, in the Mediterranean, in the Arabian Ocean before September 11th poised for an attack, whether it was going to be Afghanistan or Iraq would be decided by Bush and the rest of them." See http://www.infowars.net/articles/december2...191206Boyle.htm He also talks about the The Patriot Act being on Bushes desk on Sept 10 /2001 and the anthrax attacks using super high tech military grade anthrax being an inside job. You can listen to the interview from this page for free.

Stop insulting people with your stupid remarks. The worst kind is the kind that tries to pass themselves off as an expert but then is consistently wrong. Thats you. You are getting frustrated because you can't answer any questions. As far as the Pentagon goes, plenty of 911 truthers think and airplane hit it & plenty of truthers think it was a missile. Drea, if you want the straight poop on this go to 911Research.wtc7.net. Jim Hoffman, a well published physicist thinks an airplane hit the pentagon. Webster Tarplay, a well known and respected researcher does not think a plane hit the Pentagon. Its a tough call and one I usually stay away from because I think it was a missile - for the same reason you do. Popular mechanics is full of lies and misinformation and uses a "straw man" techique to attempt top discredit the movement. Chertoff is related to the Chertoff in the White House and distantly to Bush. They are also owned by people who make great profits from the wars - I think that is Haliburton.

How would you be able to make a determination like this ? You are just full of hot air. Use your "expertise" to explain that the buildings did not go straight down. Then anyone reading this can see you are full of hot air.

At the bottom of this page it clearly shows huge parts of the building flying upward during the collapse. It makes it obvious that explosives were used because things do not "fall up" they fall down. Anybody can see there is a series of explosions that cause the collapse. You don't need an expert to tell you what is happening. Its plainly obvious.

Name one structural engineer not associated with government that supports the official version.

Don't talk to me about discretization of contiuous phenomen. You really just have no idea what you are talking about. Your above analysis is again, all wrong.

Name one structural engineer not associated with government that supports the official version.

Actually you will only find a handful of engineers willing to actively support the official version. These engineers are very dependent on government contracts and some have blood relations to people in the white house. These few write almost everything that supports the official version. Many conspiracy debunker sites and papers posted on the web do not have names associated with them - because the work is wrong and only there to confuse. Their science has been shown to be fraudulent by people such as Jim Hoffman in particular. It doesn't take a Phd to see that they are just lying most of the time - about simple issues to do with science. The NIST report is nothing more than a whitewash and the first NIST version didn't even discuss wtc7 because its collapse wasn't shown on TV but twice the day of 911. One of the NIST heads is Philip Zelikow, he studies how to propogate and manitain propoganda Most scientific minds - physics, applied math, & engineering support the version that explains the collapse using explosives. There are many people that support the idea that there MUST have been explosives in the building for this to happen the way it did. Drea, People often think - "I am not an engineer or a phycisist and do not understand such things". You can catch a ball without ever studying projectile motion and you can walk around on two feet - something engineers cannot make machines do with their conventional control system theory. You have a lifetime of experience in knowing what makes sense and what doesn't - do not ever discount this. Just because you cannot write the equations does not mean you do not have an intuitive understanding of the physical world. Science is where a little knowledge becomes dangerous, Riverwind is a perfect example. He repeatedly makes errors and still insists that he knows more than everyone else - including me - and continues to make serious elementary conceptual errors in the process.

I understood perfectly what you said. In your incorrect knowledge and analysis you used the term "from an observer" which bears no relevance in Newtonian physics. Your lack of understanding is very clear when you use such language.

At the bottom of this page it clearly shows huge parts of the building flying upward during the collapse. It makes it obvious that explosives were used because things do not "fall up" they fall down.

I'm not sure why you think structural engineers explain the mechanics of a building collapse. I am sure that you can study structural engineering and have an entire carreer in it and never actually study a building collapse. You have an obsession with structural engineers because there doesn't appear to be any that support the version of 911 that includes bombs in the buildings. Anyways, here are a few: Phycisist & Practising Architect explains 911 Joseph M. Phelps (FM) MS, PE. Structural Dynamicist (ret.), Charter Member, Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers (member st911.org) Judy Wood (FM)Civil Engineering, Engineering Mechanics, Materials Engineering Science, http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/ (member st911.org) Grant Williams (FM) Commercial construction with emphasis on seismic and structural engineering (member st911.org) Everything you said about your model was wrong. I pointed out where and it was obvious and you changed your model ! Its still wrong ! First you said that if you break a leg on a standard 4 legged table then the load automatically gets distributed evenly to the other three legs and I explained how that was wrong. Then you forgot to explain that the table will rotate and I pointed that out. You keep talking about how much you know yet you analysis was always wrong and so was your terminology. You suggested that I was using non newtonian physics and went on to use term like "from an observer" which is technological gobbledygoop made to make you sound like you know what you are talking about. Your BS is obvious to anyone that has even studied one credit in physics. You keep trying to BS readers into thinking you know something about science and you don't and I have pointed out that I have proven that I do and can see quite clearly through your BS. I was explaining to you that your BS will not work even against someone that does not have the education I have. In showing you that I can see through your BS I have pointed out that I do have a degree so that you know I know a lot more about this than you do. You think that the government could not possibly do something like 911 and you work from there. That is fantasy. Totalitarian governments do evil things all the time. Bush is a totalitarian government - we know this because he has legalized torture. Not only was 911 an inside job, but it was OBVIOUSLY an inside job. They didn't really even try to cover it up and anyone that takes a casual look at the evidence can see this. The most obvious clue is that the explosions occur before the buildings even begin to collapse. Part of the evil of 911 is what they did on that day, the other part is that they made it so obvious as a way of doing a psyc op on the American people in basically saying "ha ha - look what we can do" - just like when they shot Kennedy in front of all those people - anyone can see that you can't shoot a bolt action rifle with that frequency of shots. Many people thought Kennedy was an inside job until 911 - now they mostly defend the official version of that. The next inside job will be just as obvious but there will be no shortage of trolls that will ignore the most obvious clue and defend the official version of that. Its a psychological operation to set us up for accepting more evil and more obvious evil. If you are right then you should take the Million Dollar Challenge

Don't forget negotiating the North American Union with no public oversight and no MP input. The guy is secretly selling the country off to corporations. August review Also see Canadian Action Party Also see Where Does Money Come From (comic) ? If you do not understand this then you know nothing about politics because politics is about economics.

By the way its not arrogance - its me just winning the arguement all the time. You demonstrate arrogance and stupidity at the same time as I explained above.

Answer the questions I provided three posts above this. I showed that you have no idea what you are talking about wrt physics and kept pointing out the errors in your thinking. I have a professional degree in applied physics you clearly have an understanding that would prevent you from passing high school physics yet this is combined with the arrogance that has you implying that well recognised and well published physisicts with Phds are wrong.

That is NOT cognitive dissonance. Don't you ever get sick of being wrong ?

Explain why the Pentagon tapes have not been released. Explain why the firemen and police were gagged after the NY attacks. Explain how three buildings can collapse straight down at very near freefall speed when normally only controlled demolitions will do this (save your made up physics please- explain how Fetzer, Jones & Hoffman are all wrong) Explain why the president wasn't immediately moved after hearing about the second plane attacking- did they not have reason to believe these incredibly brilliant terrorists knew where he was ? Explain why Cheney gave the stand down order wrt planes being launched from Andrews AFB after NY was hit. Explain why they used fake Bin Laden tapes showing him confessing Explain the motives of these people Explain: Why haven't authorities in the U.S. and abroad published the results of multiple investigations into trading that strongly suggested foreknowledge of specific details of the 9/11 attacks, resulting in tens of millions of dollars of traceable gains? Explain: How were the FBI and CIA able to release the names and photos of the alleged hijackers within hours, as well as to visit houses, restaurants, and flight schools they were known to frequent when the attacks came completely unexpected. Explain: Why were the extensive missile batteries and air defenses reportedly deployed around the Pentagon not activated during the attack? Explain why 911Myths and Popular Mechanics lie all the time when trying to debunk conspiracy theories. Explain why Philip Zelikow was chosen to head up the investigations when his acedemic qualifications involve the perpetuation of propoganda rather than investigative work. Explain why the FAA and fire marshalls were not used in the investigations. Why the immediate coverups of evidence after each attack - isn't that illegal ? (There is a few questions)

Its called cognitive dissance. It happens as a part of human nature. Besides any discussion of the Bush administration will eventually include Hitler and world war 2. Look up Operation Paper Clip, or Brown Brothers Harriman - Prescott Bush. Lets see if you can argue 911 on the facts. Give some proof that Osama Bin laden did it and explain how three buildings can collapse perfectly straight down at freefall speed in one day as a result of an accident.

If you read about the holocaust you find out that so many Jews were just like you - ignoring the obvious. Its that aspect of human nature that allows these things to happen. Governments have actually done horrible things throut history. 911 being an inside job is far from the worse. Governments allowing children to be tortured is up there, but that seems OK with you. I guess just because they allow children to be tortured in law doesn't mean they should not be trusted.

Some people lack order in their lives and they cannot afford to think the government is doing anything wrong. Government offers stability. Authority offers stability and they become sycophants.

Its hard for people to ignore the obvious forever. I expect some of them are working for the secret police. The Pentagon spends 1.5 billion per year writing fake letters to the editor, etc. They also read all scripts of things even like the Simpsons before they air. Its going to take info to wake people up. Many people read these posts without commenting.

They didn't have to plant WMD's. It was an experiment to find out how much they could get away with and have morons still believe they are fighting for democracy. Plus they always seem to get caught doing false flag - someone always comes out and that was too big. You would think the congressional hearings that had people testify that Cheney gave the stand down order would be enough to wake people up. You would expect that engineers working on electronic vioting machines testifying that the machines were designed to be corrupted through a back door would be enough. 30 % of the people think 911 was an inside job. What percentage hasn't really thought about it ?

Either we are crazy or we live in an olgarical society that has been completely corrupted. Ted Gundersen did a study of missing children and found that half of them went missing at holloween, summer solistice and winter solistice. This is when the Lucefarians worship. I know a lucefarian and they are completely depraved. John Yoo has publically stated that it is OK to torture children in front of their parents by genital manipulation. This has been on mainstream news. The Bush administration has legalized torture and tortured people for years Abu Garib without laying a single charge. You decide, do we live in a sick society or are us conspiracy theorists just nuts ? Before you decide, listen to this interview about psycopaths: search on http://www.911underground.com/ WING_TV_2006-08-29_Laura_Knight-Jadczyk_on_Psychopaths_and_Evil.MP3 The same thing is explained in Margaret Stouts The Psychopath Next Door (a book)

Robert Bowman says this about 911

He did say that he wasn't responsible for it. This was on CNN before they got the fake Bin Laden to confess to it - remember the black guy who didn't even look like Bin Laden confessing to it ?

You said yourself that wtc7 looked like a controlled demolition, are you maintaining that it wasn't and that the building collapsed because of fires ? If that is the case, why have controlled demolition ? Why not just light a few fires and let buildings collapse just like controlled demolitions ?