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If the Israelis were being nice to the palistinians and not just simply out to exterminate them they could easily give them a sea port. That thin strip of Israel on the map doesn't serve any purpose but prevent Palistines access to the sea. Besides that article is based on nothing but presstitute supposition.

I've seen a video of Bush saying there may have been explosives in wtc7 and I saw it the other day. When I find it I will post a link here (but that won't mean anything either). I guess Osama could have sneaked in at night and put them in or something. I'm really looking forward to the NIST investigation of wtc7. I guess they will say Al_CIA_Da had some insiders sneaking explosives into wtc7. A BBC documentary called "The Power Of Nightmares" talks about neocon philosophy. Interesting & lots to do with 911 in subject matter (terrorism).

BTW: I've done coursework on deformations and dynamics as well as mechanics.

Wtc7 was easy to time. The initial collapse rate of wtc1 & wtc2 was easy to time. Even the collapse rate aside, where do you think the energy came from those projectiles comming out of the wtc1 & wtc2 while it was exploding collapsing ? - only possible explanation is explosives because things only fall down. Unless the video camera was speeded up while filming the collapse it seems pretty obvious. Multiple independent videos, some broadcast on mainstream show the rapid collapses. You didn't graduate engineering, don't tell me that. Your free body analysis contained to many errors. A graduate of an engineering class ould not have said I was using non Newtonian physics when I introduced moments into your free body diagram. I was surprised you got a solution to that DE. I did the calcualtions for pulverizing concrete with some very generous assumptions and came up with that energy alone adding a few seconds to the collapse time. That doesn't count the breaking steel or the projected dust. Judy Wood, a professor of civil engineering and meterial science says it would have taken much longer if it was a pancaked collapse so does Stephen Jones, who has excellent credentials. Hoffman also says the same thing- the speed of collapse shows an energy deficit of a factor of ten according to Hoffman. People like Hoffman and Jones are more than qualified to teach undergrad engineers. The people that actually planeted the bombs would be foreign nationals or dead foreign nationals. There is no way the Bush admin would take a chance on that getting out.

I don't think it would matter to you how much evidence was brought forward. The evidence presented has been overwhelming and it discredits every aspect of the official version. But you still think three buildings can collapse at near freefall speed straight down into their own footprints. Thats the key right there and many scientists and engineers have said so, including demolition experts - but apparently you think this would naturally happen and they are wrong. Then there is a mountain of additional evidence both before and after that shows guilty behavior. Plus the congressional testimoney of Rumsfeld's guilty behaviour re: stand down order (which doesn't mean anything). Then there is the NIST coverup, incomplete report and 441 day delayed investigation. If that isn't enough for you then there is all the lies surrounding events of 911 (politicians lie all the time, I know this doesn't matter). Bottom Line: You will not ever be convinced. It would not matter how many people came out. You just simply cannot face the truth. I guess this was another Silverstein style slip up, but I know, it doesn't mean anything either.

I have heard plenty of key intelligence analysts say that only a very few people would see the big picture in 911, but here you are saying there must be thousands. I guess they must all be nutjobs too.

I see, so thats how you dismiss qualified people that think 911 was an inside job. So even if I added more you would dimiss them as people behind "absurd causes". ..or consult with you apparently. No one would be better to judge the validity of 911 truth like these scientists that are on it- except maybe you. They are all just nutcases and we should be listening to you. You are obviously an authority on what passes for consensus at the scientific community. Actually people involved in 911 have come forward and testified at congressional hearings to say that Cheney ordered a stand down of defences when a plane was headed toward the pentagon.... but that doesn't count. So now you are saying what would be required to have a case looking at ? You are the only one capable of forming a rational opinion and people like Bowman should really be listening to you. Bowman has said on his site that the 911 truth movement has a lot of good points and shows that this is worth looking at again. You should email him and tell him he is a nutjob and should start listening to you. I've asked you what your qualifications are because you talk like you are a big shot intellectual or engineer ? Now you are a legal advisor and should be the one to determine whether a case is viable or not ? Have you done any legal consulting on other matters of national importance ? You see, I know you are just some punk that thinks he knows everything but really doesn't have any legal or scientific qualifications at all. The errors you make in your scientific analysis are simple and anyone that has taken a first year physics course would recognise that right away, if not by your analytical errors then certainly by your use of terminology. You are certainly no legal scholar because you seem to think you would sue someone in criminal court. You should take a look at yourself because not only are you one of the most arrogant people I have ever argued 911 on, but you are also one of the most niave. I have prented evidence and reasonable conjecture based on that evidence to make my arguement. You have provided hot air as an unqualified opinion and seem to consider yourself an authority on just about everything. You said quite a few posts ago that you know quite a bit more about science than I do. If you have taken any science past first year then you would be able to write out the solution to the equation below about as fast as you can type, care to try ? y"(x)= 3 You talk like you are a big shot, I'd like to know if you can even do basic math.

I did not base anything on claims of obviousness. I stated reasons - you need to re read that post. I stated that the buildings performed to spec when the planes hit them and that no design flaw had been noted since they were built. There is no basis to think the towers had a design flaw- which was her point. They did and it has held up to scientific peer review. Stephen Jones has stated that thermate was used and his stuff is backed up by lots of people. I've listed five structural engineers that say it was obviously an inside job plus many other scientists that say the same thing. It wouldn't matter who said 911 was an inside job, you would base your arguement on your beleifs that they are not qualified. Who are you to say who is qualified and who isn't ? What is your background to decide who is and isn't qualified ?

I see. So by them not speaking up we assume that they can't be bothered because 911 truthies are a bunch of wack jobs. These people are just a bunch of "wack jobs"?

Karen Kwiatkowski: Link Asking Many Questions Well, obviously the towers didn't have a design flaw. They even took the impact of two jetliners and remained standing with no change in their natural resonant frequency long after the crashes and when the fires were almost out, ie: stood solid. No design flaw had been noted other than the fact that they had become white elephants due to extensive use of asbestos and the need to modernize communications wiring. They essentially had a negative value at the time of collapse but Silverstein was still able to insure them at full value and collect double indemnity due to the crashes ( almost 8 billion dollars) Many of these people that do not believe the official version are of very high rank and will not come out and say "911 was an inside job" but read her (facesius) questions, Read Bowmans questions & statements about 911 truth.

Your black robe will not protect you from the rules of logic and what some people conveniently refer to as common sense. Arguing with lawyers on these forums always reinforces my already low opinion of lawyers, that is that the level of moral corruption that exists in the law profession actually causes you to be intellectually deficient. I have yet to meet a lawyer that can form a logical arguement - likely because courts are all about complex procedures and draining peoples bank accounts rather than logical arguement. On the topic of the (alleged) hijackers: (1) Its well known that immediately after the attacks the hijackers names were on none of the flight manifests. The stated reasons for this was that "we don't put terrorists on these lists". If they do not put terrorists on flight manifests why do they let them on planes anyway ? Flight manifest are prepared before boarding. The fact that the terrorists were not on the flight manifest after the accidents is well known and well reported in mainstream immediately after the attacks. Hijacker original flight manifests (see about halfway down this page) (2) None of the alleged hijackers could actually fly planes. There is plenty of video interviews with the hijacker instructors explaining that these guys that were receiving flight instruction could barely fly a single engine Cessna. (3) As reported by multiple mainstream sources, many of the hijackers were found alive after the terrorist attacks. Waleed M. Alshehri WhatReallyHappened / Hijackers, More mainstream reports Why are the same pics still up on the FBI most wanted list if the identities were stolen ? I think its because most people don't look at things very carefully and the FBI doesn't want to be seen as changing their story all the time. It makes people want a real investigation. 911 completely stinks every way you look at it. It is done this way so that the "intelligencia" can see it was an inside job and goes along with it rather than start to ask questions. Many people in society know that something deep, dark & terrible is happening and they are going along with it because they think they will be safe. No one is safe in a Luciferian police state. All someone has to do is report you saying "George Bush looks like a monkey" and its off to the torture chamber for your kid and an observation room for you to watch some thug manipulate the kids genitalia with pliars until you confess. John Yoo has publically stated that this can legally happen. "Us or them" is the thinking of a simpleton.

I've linked more than four structural engineers that think 911 was an inside job + multiple other physicists - very well published & respected physicists and they are more qualified than engineers because scientists are by nature investigators. Engineers build things - engineers do not have the in depth knowledge of materials and molecular behaviour necessary to do investigations. We are half scientists and half applied linear mathemeticians. Civil and structural engineers instantly lose jobs in 99.9 % of cases for expressing opinions against governemnt because they are most highly dependent on government work. Many do only gov work all their lives and know if they speak against Bush then they lose big time. There is only a handful of engineers that actively support the official version. The guys that wrote the FEMA report just had a pile of questions and said that the official version of events had "only a low probability" wrt wtc7. They also point to evidence of demolition in the FEMA report. They ask questions like (paraphrased) "if this happened, how did it happen ? like it seems impossible for the supports to break". The FEMA report does not say what mainstream media says it says - same with NIST. If you listen to what this colonel woman says on other places than that list you will find her views on what happened to be quite a bit different than her questions on that site. Read what Bowman says on that OfficialsQuestion911 vs what he says on his own site. That Colonel woman has quite a few questions and doesn't think a plane hit the Pentagon but does not state that in her questions because in politics you get to the truth slowly. You can search out what she really thinks. I don't have a link. We are not asking anyones advice on how to build a building. Invetigating evidence is not building design - its a totally different thing. They are far from "yahoos". Bowman is not a "yahoo" - working for an engineering firm designing scrapers would be a giant step down for him. He directed SDI and had billions for a budget, , not millions, and branches of NASA under him. Steven Jones is not a "yahoo" having done most of his work at JPL and has done many papers in respected journals. These guys are head and shoulders above Gene Corely. I agree with what the woman colonel says here: "Why the Towers and the Pentagon or other governmental buildings would be targeted by al Qaeda or any other adversary is self-evident; why American policies and practices create enemies around the world is also no mystery. The slow and highly debatable rate of improvement in our ability to defend the country – while the cost of doing business for Americans everywhere has skyrocketed – is also predictable. George W. Bush himself admits the truth as he almost happily notes this week "We are a nation in danger." " But that does not exclude 911 being an inside job. I am sure that especially now many people would like to hurt the USA. Problem: its exactly what USA wants to happen and thats why they left the mexico borders open. If the USA gets attacked then Bush, Cheney, Clinton and the rest make billions for themselves in weapon sales. Politics is just a vehicle for these people to make money. Hillary Clinton was worth 500K before becomming a senator now she has 50 million. She invested 30 million in her most recent re - election. She will make a lot more if there are more wars.

No. I am not your son and you are using part of the quotes and taking them out of context. You are a pathetic little sniveling weasel and you are lucky you are not sitting beside me. I don't care who you are or who you work for. Stay out of my business and my threads.

YouTube Video These soldiers talk about the reality vs what their parents hear and see on the mainstream media in Israel wrt the occupation.

Col. Karen Kwiatkowski was at the Pentagon the day it happened, others at the Pentagon that day have come out. There are far more scientists and engineers that think the evidence is undeniable proof than ones actively supporting the official version. The ones actively supproting the official version will not answer their questions. They have to let some things out to keep some semblance of credibility in the media to make some people think the media is honest. The important stuff never really comes out. An example of this is the Kennedy Assasination - the media reported it but gave no mention of the possible primary motive which was Kennedys orders to print off 4 billion dollars worth of debt free currency. The bankers did not like that which was why he was killed and the banker controlled media that reports conspiracy theories isn't going to tell you about that motive. That is much bigger than any war with Cuba. No, it means they knew Hijacked planes were headed troward the target and Cheney ordered defences to stand down so the plane could reach its target. No one is that stupid to order a stand down of defence when they are being attacked.

But not the guys that were in the room with Cheney and gave congressional testimony that he repeatedly gave a stand down order on air defences when they knew a high jacked plane was headed for the Pentagon/White house area - I guess that doesn't count. Why should others come out with your attitude about this whole thing ? Should they really put their lives on the line for something that is should be already plainly obvious ? Furthermore it was the families that did lose a loved one that pressured Bush into starting an investigation. It took 441 days before he did an investigation and many of those people think it was a white wash and also think 911 was an inside job. A lot of people that have come out in the intelligence community think it was an inside job and that only a handful of people would have to be in on it, the rest play a part without even knowing they are in on something like this and think they are playing a role in something different. Intelligence works on a need to know basis. Only a few really know the big picture, else there is too much of a chance of a leak and operations are strictly structured so that this is possible. It is of the utmost importance. If they really did 911 then they thought of all this.

And we HAVE heard from the wistle blowers. You just keep dismissing them as irrelevant as they risk their lives to expose what really happened.

Lies again. I have stated that I do not believe Jews are the culprits behind this grand conspiracy. I have stated reasons why. Although I would like to ignore your posts I would like to also inform you that if you made these statements whilke sitting beside me you would experience a great deal of pain in the process. But because you are such a little piece of fecal matter you have likely been hit before and probably are used to being in pain. I stated that I would not discuss Jews or the ADL because what I actually say is irrelevant when charges are brought forward, what matters is someone elses interpretation and I can be held responsible for that. And I would not expect to get a fair trial in a Canadian court on this (or any other) matter. I think CanadianBlues pathetic & lying behaviour provides a bit of insight as to what I could be in for and proof of what I am saying. You are a sniveling, lying, manipulative, pathetic little weasel for attempting what you are doing. The only way you can win an arguement is to attempt to paint someone as an anti semite.

Jerry, the USA never ever interferes with dictatorships. It only overthrows governments that work for the people to replace them with disctatorships and fake "democracies" with puppet governments. Don't you ever wonder why these evil disctators like Hussein, Chevez, Castro etc can stand in front of a big crowd of people with guns with no fear of being shot yet our leaders have men in black around them everywhere with strict security ? Did you know that in these evel dictatorships people get fee education and better medical care than we do ? Do you think getting to vote means democracy when both parties in the USA and all four out of five main parties in Canada are controlled by private central bankers that print our money for nothing, lend it at face value and use profits to control our society in every way from media to publishing to education and medacine through focus groups, tax free foundations and think tanks ? TV was the greatest weapon of mass destruction ever created. It has allowed our rulers to rule our society with thought control and control of education rather than pointing guns at us.

The bankers get their money for nothing. The CEO's of the big corporations make several hundred times what the average worker makes. Lawyers screw you out of your money at the tune of a few hundred an hour and call themselves noble, honorable & distinguished in the process. If you want to get angry at freeloaders, there is a far bigger target than a Jamacian woman with a van and a big screen TV collecting welfare. If we have a safety net there will always be a few that get more than they need. This is better than the multitudes taking more than they deserve and us letting them get away with it.

I know that people on this forum think I am a sadist or something for saying that 911 was an inside job, but if the evidence points to 911 being an inside job it is a far worse thing not to say anything - this is particularly true if you have a relative or friend that died in this terrible ordeal. No matter what happens, no matter who says what, it is always the best thing to stick with the truth. There are many people that know it was an inside job from looking at the evidence but have decided to just keep quiet (and asked me to) because although we are being lied to we must trust these people. I never will trust a liar like this. If the people have some kind of grand plan to improve mankind they would have brought it into the light. I would bet my life against a free cup of cheap coffee that 911 was an inside job.

I'm sure that if someone managed to produce phone records you would say that the time was a misprint or something. There are plenty of other independent reports of the same type of thing from the other flights.

from the site: "Press reports confirm that Peter Hanson was using his cell (i.e it was not an air phone). Unless the plane had suddenly nose-dived, the plane was still at high altitude at 8.52. "

Did you read that link ? There are plenty of sources that indicate some of those calls had to have been made from 30,000 ft. I'm not claiming that thye official story is inaccurate. I've always said its a complete fabrication when dealing with cell phone calls. "Hi Mom, its Mark Bingham"

Yes I remember. I will continue to ignore your posts. where ?