[Carney wins with 86% of vote]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

It's not that different in BC, the Climate Action Tax Credit goes to those with lower income.

 

It is that different. The NDP admitted it in the last election, they said they couldn't get rid of the carbon tax because of the revenue it generated. Only the rebellion of the people is forcing them to consider it now

And the chief budget officer for the feds made it clear that most families are suffering losses under the Federal GST as well

 

9 minutes ago, herbie said:

So act like a genuine conservative. Collect the GST and Carbon Tax and don't rebate it. Use it to bring down the deficit as that's most important to you.

 

But you mean a genuine left-wing government because it was the left-wing government that did that. And it's a left-wing government federally that's doing that as well

Genuine conservatives wouldn't charge the tax in the first place and would let people keep their money and everything would be cheaper

[Thief, call the police! Media Bias & Election Fraud? Carney’s Rise Under Scrutiny]

5 hours ago, PIK said:

And more than twice the votes carney had. 

And the rules were not the same. You had to buy a membership to be a conservative. You couldn't just sign up a bunch of people, you would have had to pay for them all as well. Four times as many people were willing to put cold hard cash down to be a member and vote as they were to sign up for the liberals for free.

I know what the polls are saying right now, but I also know that twice as many people turned up for Poilievre's rallies than The coronation of Carney,  i know a lot of people had been sold on PP  for over a year now, and i know that  leadership bumps are flashes in the pan. 

If carney had gone literally from the convention into an election he might have been able to ride that and I honestly believed he was going to do that and have justin call an election before he'd even been installed. The fact that he wasn't smart enough to do that shows precisely that he's not a great campaigner.

It sounds like he's going to try and form government and have a cabinet and actually try to run the country a little bit before he calls an election and that is just going to make him look horrible.

[Mark Carney's cllimate change fanaticism laid bare.]

15 hours ago, eyeball said:

Yes they have, go look it up yourself. The truth is out there.

They haven't, I have looked it up in extensive detail, and misinformation is out there and you're one of the Prime consumers

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Harper only had to engineer a two year global recession first.

Just like Justin engineered covid I'm sure.  Which had an even stronger economic impact on Canada than the recession did. Largely because harper was considerably better at managing things than Justin was

Harper's policies made the difference. When times were tough he found a way to increase the economy as well as Decreasing people's use of power at the same time through the GST rebate for home improvements. Then a number of other policies made a significant difference

Justin failed utterly and it was supposed to be his thing

[Charting the Danger of the Modern Left]

3 hours ago, Deluge said:

I think I am. 

Unlike his last term, Trump is completely unfettered. He's in a lame duck presidency so there is absolutely ZERO to lose - no sucking up to anyone. All he needs to do is keep laying the groundwork for his MAGA successor. 

That's not quite accurate. If the republicans who remain since that they're going to lose their seats because of his antics they will turn on it. A president can lose power extremely quickly if his party decides they're not behind  him.  

And he runs into real problems if the democrats managed to flip the tables in the house in the senate in the next midterms which is a very real possibility. There's no doubt in my mind that the democrats will impeach him and throw him out and possibly in jail if they get a quarter of a chance.

If he winds up plunging the country into a recession he may very well face that reality.

[Charting the Danger of the Modern Left]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Shitty midterms won't bother him a bit.  They'll just inspire him to throw even more gasoline on the conflagration he's igniting.

The vast majority of the senate seats up for grabs are republican if 15 of them flip there will be enough republicans in the senate to actually vote yes on impeachment

It's kind of a big deal. Not to mention if a bunch of senators and congressmen think they're going to lose their seats their support for him will change

[Carney wins with 86% of vote]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The Libs had to choose a leader who wasn't goose-stepping along with Trudeau for the last 4 years.M  😂

The thing is he was. He was Trudeau's financial advisor and was involved with the liberals a great deal. And that is coming out

This is why he's trying to do that same thing that Kamala Harris did where he pretends that he's exactly the same as the previous government and also entirely different at the same time. I imagine it should work just as well for him as it did for her

[Mark Carney's cllimate change fanaticism laid bare.]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

The tax has reduced emissions and the tax is growing in popularity around the world.

People are just impatient.

The tax hasn't reduced emissions at all. Harper did more to reduce emissions than Trudeau has done .  And it isn't growing in popularity anywhere.

And waiting a decade and being concerned that there's no results to show isn't impatience, it's called having observation skills

Even the liberals are dumping the tax, you're going on about how popular it is and yet the liberals have given up on it and admitted to failure. Carbon tax Kearney who is all about carbon tax is canceling the carbon tax.

It's a complete joke

[Charting the Danger of the Modern Left]

8 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

Tariffs and the federal layoffs are going to make for an interesting midterm election season. Its a simple math equation.. if you add to the unemployed number, the unemployment rate goes up. Folks tend to react to that number.. like it or not. Is the increase going to be profound? Probably not. You will see this increase in the april numbers. 

The challenges that the Matthew just mentioned is simple, but it also tends to lead to a slightly more complex interaction whereby more people unemployed tends to lead to more people unemployed.

The tariffs and other actions may see fewer people employed in general and when you compound that with layoffs the number can begin to climb dramatically.

There is a very real chance that well before the midterms the us could be in a declared official recession and a modestly deep one at that. It hasn't gone quite that far yet but there's damage being done structurally that puts him at risk of that. The tariffs are causing slowdowns in the market and employment, the stock market plummet is happening because investors are sitting on the sidelines instead of putting their money in the market because of uncertainty. Uncertainty that isn't likely to change any time in the immediate future according to trump.

And trump isn't helping by saying that they're probably will be a recession and that that's okay.

 If we enter into a recession and the job numbers are down and costs are up and eggs are unaffordable and gasoline is pricey he is going to have one hell of a mess to deal with come the midterms. 

And not only is he at risk of losing the house in the senate but if they managed to pick up 15 of the current republican seats they would have enough to successfully impeach him and make it stick. That's got to be in the back of his mind

[Mark Carney's cllimate change fanaticism laid bare.]

12 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Sure it's a fart in a windstorm and the effects will be felt slowly but they'll eventually pile up.  The very same way the effects of adding CO2 to our atmosphere have piled up and now to the point they're being felt more quickly.     

We did it for 10 years and nothing piled up except the bullshit. Now people are sick of the bullshit.

[Crazy Prediction - Despite being elected liberal leader, Mark Carney will not be the prime minister]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Probably correct, Carney will not be PM.

Gonna be fun to watch with PP in a minority fighting with Liberal/NDP and potentially Bloc Québécois .

It was hilarious when harper did it  

But I'm more meant that he would not be made prime minister now before an election was called. I believe was that they were going to call an election before they even installed him fully as leader and before he took the mantle of prime minister. Not that he wouldn't win the election although I don't believe he will but that's not what I was talking about

Looks like I'm running low on time. If it doesn't happen today or tomorrow then they'll probably have to install him as leader and then he becomes prime minister. It just didn't make sense for me for them to go that route and I thought they might take the opportunity for a blitzkrieg. Time is not their friend. Maybe there's some reason they couldn't make that happen, like maybe they haven't got their ducks in a row in the background yet

[Thief, call the police! Media Bias & Election Fraud? Carney’s Rise Under Scrutiny]

4 hours ago, Aristides said:

You had to be a citizen or permanent resident who lived in Canada for 183 days in the last year and became a party member before Jan 27. Just looked it up.

So in other words you don't have to even be a citizen and you just have to be over 14 years. So what I said was actually 100% correct.

And we both know nobody is going back to check how many days they've been in country.

You don't even have to pay a nickel. For that matter someone could sign you up for the party and just tell you to vote.  

There's no legitimacy to it at all. It is a million percent open for fraud or abuse. Carney wasn't chosen as the liberal leader, he was installed

 

 

[Mark Carney's cllimate change fanaticism laid bare.]

1 hour ago, Iceni warrior said:

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) assesses the peer-reviewed literature on climate change every 5 to 6 years. Their assessment reports, which are also peer-reviewed, are a credible source of information.

 

https://www.csiro.au/en/research/environmental-impacts/climate-change/Climate-change-QA/Information

Your own quote proved you were a liar. 

It assessed other peer reviewed literature.  In other words, this is someone's opinon about someone else's opinion.  And not just someone else but a bunch of someones where they could take what they liked from one or another. 

As i said this is NOT a research paper.  Show me the science.  you have now joined  a long list of people who have admitted they have not read nor do they have any actual science that backs up their point about this being a crisis OR that canada can do ANYTHING that would make a difference. 

[Is this the war the liberals want now? Molotov cocktails, arson and graffiti: Tesla facilities attacked in wake of Elon Musk's role in the White House]

13 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

The right did it for no reason on Jan 6.  At least these folks are fighting for democracy.   

 

3 hours ago, User said:

Someone that cheers on targetting others for criminal acts of destruction of their property, vandalism, etc... for political disagreement like you. 

 

And that's when they're taking time off from chortling over the death and senseless murder of someone they don't like who works in medical insurance

[Thief, call the police! Media Bias & Election Fraud? Carney’s Rise Under Scrutiny]

3 hours ago, Gaétan said:

And it wasn't fair and a fraud.

I don't think that"Fair "is the most important thing to the liberal party in general.

14 minutes ago, 500channelsurfer said:

These leadership races are not like a general election, they are only open to party members. 

I would hope the Liberal members were aware of the candidates, as they should be following what is going on with the party they are a member of.

Nevertheless, these are often won by which candidate can sell the most party memberships leading up to the vote. 

Yeah but with the liberals anybody can be a member. You don't have to be old enough to vote, you don't have to pay any money, you don't even have to be a Canadian or a Canadian citizen. So it's pretty much anybody

[Why are so many Canadians ready to fall for carbon tax Carney?]

8 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

I vote for the best person in my riding.  Sometimes NDP, Green and occasionally Conservative (years ago).  Never a Liberal yet.  Not everyone is a partisan hack. 
 

I’m guessing you’ve always been a Conservative (maybe Mad Max) voter and always will be.  

You're a partisan hack

[Thief, call the police! Media Bias & Election Fraud? Carney’s Rise Under Scrutiny]

45 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Mark Carney had more visibility than the other candidates, journalists and political commentators only talked about Marc Carney to the point that I only heard about Frank Bailis during the leaders' debate and I didn't know he was a candidate, but it is certain that when a candidate has more visibility than another or others he will automatically have more popular support, so he fraudulently usurped the Liberal throne and the position of Prime Minister because the media manipulated the leadership race, the police must investigate and put those responsible for the fraud in prison and remove him from his position.

Yes, it was a coronation rather than a leadership race. And? It was the same with Trudeau I'll remind you

[Mark Carney's cllimate change fanaticism laid bare.]

3 hours ago, Iceni warrior said:

Here you go, fill your boots.

When you've read that come back to me and I'll link you to more detailed reports.

https://www.ipcc.ch/synthesis-report/

None of that's really research as far as I can see. That appears to be a summary report. From a governmental committee.

It's propaganda. Do you have an actual peer-reviewed scientific study or the like? 

[Is this the war the liberals want now? Molotov cocktails, arson and graffiti: Tesla facilities attacked in wake of Elon Musk's role in the White House]

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

Tesla owns all the dealerships. Duh

 

So you're admitting i'm right?

Are you having an extra stupid day?  Tesla has done nothing wrong. The people who work for tesla have done nothing wrong. Musk is ONE of the MANY owners in tesla, he's not tesla. 

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

The right did it for no reason on Jan 6.  At least these folks are fighting for democracy.   

By burning private property that has absolutely nothing to do with what their protesting? Tesla didn't do anything wrong

So your idea of democracy is random violence and thuggery?

[Carney wins with 86% of vote]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

It's not just Trump that's making Canadians back away from PP, the whole right-wing brand is wearing thin.

Vote woke go broke? It seems voting for the angry hard-boiled MAGA vision for the future is making people even more broke if plunging stock markets and fear of a Trump induced recession grows.

See you at the election  

58 minutes ago, eyeball said:

PP is a climate change denier plain and simple. Carbon tax election? LMAO!

He clearly doesn't have the balls, honesty or integrity to call it a climate change is bullshit election.

Of course that's not true but as always you have to lie about it because the truth doesn't serve you

He believes in climate change he just doesn't believe that tax and Canadians is going to make a difference. And he's right

[Are Nfld and Quebec Sustainable?]

31 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Sweet music to mine ears. At last I can utter the words “Churchill Falls” without risking a stroke. I have bolded the worst and best bits. 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-hydroquebec-says-newfoundland-and-labrador-power-deal-is-clean-break/?login=true#comments

It certainly wasn't before time

[Is this the war the liberals want now? Molotov cocktails, arson and graffiti: Tesla facilities attacked in wake of Elon Musk's role in the White House]

41 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Muskrat is breaking the LAW.

 

The Tesla dealerships and the Tesla workers aren't.

[Mark Carney's cllimate change fanaticism laid bare.]

45 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said:

By whom?

 

Who knows? The simple fact of the matter is is I have seen dozens and dozens and dozens of requests on this forum for people to provide the actual science showing various elements of the climate change and why it's a crisis and nobody's able to provide any. So honestly I couldn't tell you who has made any of these so-called predictions

[Carney wins with 86% of vote]

15 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

If you truly believe that being PM is not much different than being MP then you know nothing about politics. 

 

LOL you're a complete !diot some days  

It's a hell of a lot closer than being a banker   It's not going to win this one and you're looking like a complete retarded fool trying to pretend otherwise

 

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Well denigrating public sector employees as not having “real jobs” is a conservative standard.

 

Looks like it's your standard now

 

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But  being a political crony your whole life is even worse than that.  Earning a 6-figure salary and full pension at age 31 after only a few years on the job while claiming to be an Ottawa outsider and spokesman of the working class etc is pretty rich. 

But it hasn't been a few years. He's been a dedicated person for well over two decades.

And I'm afraid the picture you're painting there is Carney, other than the 31 part. Poilievre is not claiming to be any kind of outsider and he absolutely is a spokesman of the working class. He's not rich, he was not born to a rich family, his wife was not born to a rich family, they both earned everything that they have.
 

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I am not saying PP isnt qualified to be PM

Yeah you are, and you're looking very stupid doing it. It's the most childish argument you could make. Being an MP, sitting in the Committees, doing the work absolutely prime's you for being prime minister. Absolutely does, there's no debate or argument.

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Carney will have the technocratic side of government down pretty well.  He’s demonstrated that he has the subject matter knowledge and experience especially on finance and economics which is something JT, Trump and PP don’t have  

Nope. He doesn't have the technocratic side of the government down at all. He absolutely doesn't have any knowledge of the finance and economics, he's a banker and not even a banker for banks that can go out of business. About the best you could say is he has a limited understanding of fiscal policy but even then he largely did what he was told and where he didn't he didn't have a great success record. And remember, people said exactly the same thing about trump. You're trying to make the same argument for Carney that people made for trump, he knows about business so therefore he must know about government. They are not the same thing

And sorry but Poilievre Has long since proven his credentials with regards to finance and maybe liberals highly embarrassed as a result. He served on finance committees he was the shadow finance minister he has education on the subject and he's been working with the government finances for 20 years now.

 

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He will need to learn the political side: baby-kissing, fundraising, internal party politics, and so on  But if JT could learn it so can he  

The political side is a lot more than that, and JT never did learn it. Do I have to remind you that JT was just thrown out of his own party a couple months ago? After he was repetitively voted the worst prime minister in the history of Canada again and again?

Conservatives told your type then that being prime minister is not an entry-level job. You didn't believe us and look what happened, our country has been trashed

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also needs to work on having a personality that appeals to voters as he seems like he’s naturally an introvert and kind of uninspiring.   But then again so was Harper.

Sure, you can substitute character and Charisma and Flash with a solid plan that gets people excited. A good story goes a long way. As I said of harper back in the day if you don't have a charismatic man you better have a charismatic plan, and he did.

The carney doesn't. He's basically regurgitating poilievre talking points and he's already been caught lying

 

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Hopefully Canadians can still get behind a boring-but-competent leader  Then again PP has a divisive love-him-or-hate-him personality with all his constant insults and snakiness so maybe a boring and level Carney will be attractive in comparison  

Carney would be a horrible choice. Everything bad that Justin has done would happen again except worse. This was Justin's advisor since 2020 on finance matters. He believes in the same policy and he has the same track record of corruption and grift. This guy doesn't give a crap about Canada, or you, or anybody else. He's going to line his pockets with taxpayers money or funnel it into friendly organizations who will give him sweet do nothing positions for massive cash after he quits being pm. And if Canada is burning at the end of it he will not care.

if Joly or some of the others had been chosen (didn't run of course because of carney's coronation = but had they) i wouldn't vote for them but at least you could make the argument that they'd be responsible choices who had canada's best interests at heart ,

But you need to wake up - Carney is no friend of Canada. 

[Carney wins with 86% of vote]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

Not interested in sermons.   

Or opinions that collide with your own apparently. People who think differently than you do? How offensive

[Crazy Prediction - Despite being elected liberal leader, Mark Carney will not be the prime minister]

2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The direction of the polls favours Carney at the moment. His party is still behind but heading upwards at a good clip. Why not try to capitalize on that, look prime ministerial for a few months while sparring with an incredibly unpopular foreign adversary and then go? 

Looks like they've already capped and they have even slid a bit. That was to be expected, you always get a flash in the pan for a new leader. Look at Kamala Harris.

The way the poles are settling down right now does look a little better than it did under Justin. Looks like the liberals have about 28 % and the CPC has about 43% and the NDP is somewhere in the neighborhood of 12 to 14.

Which means that there is some soft conservative vote that still isn't convinced that carney is a good idea having taken a couple of second looks at him. A good campaign could start to theoretically win some of them back but it would be very difficult. I would point out that the rallies held on this weekend were a standard rally for Poilievre and a massive leadership rally for the liberals including some old faces that are hyper-popular and the Poilievre rally was still considerably larger.

Campaigns matter but he would have to chip away at that vote. And considering his policies are the same that's going to be a challenge

 

the NDP are basically abandoning their party to jump on the liberal train to try and get carney in and that's where most of the new liberal support that's actually sticky seems to be coming from.   Which means Carney in particular and the liberals in general will be targets for the NDP which will put a lot of pressure on him, and if his polling numbers fall during the campaign and people don't think he can beat the conservatives then chances are they'll begin to move back to the NDP.

 

Having said that carney has a certain amount of momentum and if he can think of a way to translate that into additional momentum he could outperform. Also you can bet that the CBC will be very aggressively looking for opportunities to make him look good and Poilievre look bad.

But definitely time is not his friend, he has a little momentum right now, if he's got a good plan and a good team he should immediately go into an election and try and salvage as much of that new leader smell that he can and see if he can't turn it into if not a victory then at least a respectable defeat.