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That is unbelievably complicated and Useless.
"We can fix our problems by adding unbelievable levels of complexity for no purpose" Yeah I don't think so
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And here we see what stand up People the liberal supporters are
LOL
We didn't win the election. That's true. But we added 25 seats, we expanded the base dramatically. We got more votes than any conservative leader going back to Brian Mulroney, and the only way the liberals were able to pull it off was thanks to trump and the NDP and block vote collapsing. The NDP is going to rebuild and will be taking their votes back next time
As I posted several times before the election rather than have a minority government it would almost be better for us for the liberals to have a weak minority and spend the next 2 years failing to deliver.
It's become a longer camapign. But while this isn't a win, it's also hard to think of it as a loss. Carney will have a difficult time delivering, things will get worse as they did under trudeau, the ndp has learned what happens when you prop up the liberals, and we'll be back to the polls within 2 years
Just now, Moonbox said:That's your cope. The voting Canadian public just really doesn't like Pierre Poilievre.
They literally almost voted the same for carney and PP. PP just got more votes than any conservative going back to the 80's. ANd teh liberals only won a minority despite having virtually every left wing vote behind them this time.
Soooooo.......
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48 minutes ago, robosmith said:
Carney was hopelessly down in the polls, but Trump put him over the top. LMAO
What are you talking about? Trudeau was hopelessly down in the polls but as soon as he left and Carney ran He was above the conservatives. In fact at one point he was 12 points above the conservatives
Are you unable to get any of your facts right?
Anyway it's a minority government so we'll be able to replace him soon enough and the conservatives did absolutely fantastic. There's no doubt carney won because of trump but that won't last long. It's not like the states where we have to wait for years
Not like you do
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Hey @eyeball
Here's another case of a poor innocent violent criminal who is being unfairly attacked by the system and the cruel evil victims who are at fault. Lets hope the system lets him go to continue his work because holding him would be cruel, and just be giving those bastard victims what they wanted.
‘Violent assault’: Canadian Tire employee in BC beaten with metal bat during robbery attempt
Don't worry, maybe one of them was WestCanMan, or maybe one of his family, you'd be happy about that right?
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38 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:
338Canada poll aggregator was within the margins of error with their models. The polls were correct.
The polls have the party 12 points until just a couple days ago. The poles lied
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What he means is the intends to take all of Canadians tax money equally until they're impoverished same as Trudeau did. We shall have solidarity In poverty
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17 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:
Thank goodness that Poilievre, Carney and Singh all made reassuringly normal speeches confirming the election result.
What do you mean thank goodness? When has it ever been a different in Canada?
3 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:Poilievre is still a long way behind in Carleton.
I don't see how he can win it at this point. Embarrassing but he's going to wind up having to pick up a seat in the by-election
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6 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:
Well, at least Poilievre conceded that his party lost. We haven’t descended to America’s level yet.
We'll have to wait for carney to sell us out before that happens
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1 minute ago, Moonlight Graham said:
PP right now is losing his own seat to a complete no-name Liberal.
And? He was targeted by a nasty protest that turned his ballot into a 2 m joke, and the liberals swept that region
On the flip side you got over 41% of the popular vote, he added 30 seats, and he held the liberals to a mere 13 or 14 seat lead which means the new democrats Won't even have enough seats to support them
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3 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:The NDP/Green voters bounced to the Liberals because they fear PP is too Trumpy because that's what happens when you have a slogan like "Canada First" and promise to use the notwithstanding clause to override the courts. Everything I said was correct.
No. They bounced because of trump. That's it pure and simple. Poilievre had already taken a good hunk of nDP supporters and the results reflect that especially in British Columbia where he took more NDP seats from the NDP than the liberals did
But the remaining NDP and the block hate conservatives and would hate conservatives no matter who was in charge so when the trump scared them and they felt the need for unity they went with the liberals. It's that simple
You can pretend otherwise but he actually did quite good. As many Canadian voters thought he would be the best prime minister as Kearney and he won damn near as many ridings. And there aren't any other parties that are going to come knocking for their voters back the way that the liberals will face in the next election with the block and the NDP and even the greens.
This just means we have to wait a couple years and then we'll have another crack at it
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1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:
Should the PM have said there was more danger?
I think the danger message was fading by the end. He was dropping in the polls and losing ground for the last week at least. There are usually four major parties and one minor party in Canadian politics and he managed to get the other two major and one minors voters all to side with him. The whole trump thing gave him the perfect storm. He could not have done better than he did. It is absolutely ridiculous that he did as well as he did do
And it puts him in a tough spot. The NDP will not have a enough seats to support him. He will have to deal with the block exclusively and keep them happy and that is going to present some problems considering his platform.
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1 hour ago, robosmith said:1 hour ago — Carney cemented the Liberals' fourth-straight term in government, a rare feat in Canadian politics — defeating the Conservative Party led by ...
Trump Still your president?
Carney winning might suck but you swallow
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57 minutes ago, myata said:
And we're watching it in real time now.
None of you denounced it, not as much as noticed. OK, then?
The guy scored higher than almost any other Conservative leader going back to mulroney's early days, he added 30 seats, he got the same popular vote as the liberals, and came within something like 10 seats of them to win
The only reason the liberals one is because of the block and the NDP vote disintegrating out of fear of trump
He did well. It's a shame we lost but unfortunately that sometimes how it goes even if you do a good job
Next time trump probably won't be the issue he is this time and the NDP and they block will probably go back to their other Parties. Poilievre will learn from this and do even better.
Sometimes you have to have a two election strategy and this time the circumstances just aligned perfectly to give the liberals another chance
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1 minute ago, Moonlight Graham said:
I say hello from the future.
And some of what you said is true but it turns out that Poilievre ran a good campaign. He scored higher than any other conservative leader going back to Mulroney, he added 30 seats, and he came within a couple of seats of beating the liberals.
How much better do you expect him to do. The liberals only did as well as they did because they were able to steal the NDP voters and the block voters because of trump. Without that we'd be talking about prime minister Poilievre right now.
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1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:
If he doesn’t win his seat what will he do? Force one of his MPs to resign so he can run in a by-election?
That is the tradition. That's what the conservatives liberals and ndp have done in the past in such circumstances.
2 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:People don’t like PP even if they like conservatives.
They don't have to like him. They have to believe enough in him to vote for him. And they did. He got as many votes as carney did or at least within a percentage point. Any damn near took as many seats too
If the election have gone on for even another week I think we'd be looking at reversal of those numbers given the trends that were happening. As it is he strongly outperformed the polling for almost the entire time. If the poles are to be believed he overcame a 12-point deficit to come back and damn near win it.
I don't think he's going anywhere especially seeing his in a minority government they could call an election at any time and the last thing we need to be doing right now is going through a leadership race
2 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:But he blew a 25% lead over the Libs. How does his party keep him on after this humiliating defeat?
No, he blew a 25% lead over Trudeau.
Unfortunately he didn't get to run against Trudeau
. You can lie to your heart's content if it makes you feel better but all that tells me is that you are a poor person and you are afraid of what he's going to do next time
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37 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:
That isn’t true. So does that mean you’re a liar?
It is true kid. Everybody recognizes it was a lie. You need to accept that and move on. It's one thing to have a little bit of loyalty for your party of choice. It's another to be someone's b*tch. And if you excuse everything that they do that is wrong and don't call them on it when they make a mistake Then all you are is there b*tch.
Don't be a b*tch
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5 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:
In multiseat PR, parties end up with a much closer seat count to their vote count than we do or the Brits do. And if parties are mature they form coalitions that last.
That's just not what happens. Anybody who gets into politics gets into politics because they want to win. Nobody winds up being accountable, it's nothing but a popularity contest, elections could happen in any moment, there's instability no accountability and nobody has the ability to put forward a four-year plan and actually execute it with any reliability
Management by committee fails every single time. Again I would refer you to the last 10 years where most of it was minority with so-called mature parties forming coalitions that lasted. It was a disaster
That is not the way to improve the ability of smaller parties to have a voice.
You need to understand something fundamental. Democracy is a horrible way to run things. Democracy is the tyranny of the majority. Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. Democracy is exclusionary by its very nature.
However, having democratic input into who runs the country on a regular basis solves a lot of the problems with the other systems. But it has to be severely limited or else you get some really horrible problems associated with democratic governance.
First pass the post makes sense and works well. As I say if you want to improve the representation of other parties then there are far better ways to do it
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10 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:
PP still at risk of losing his riding and trailing in votes as the press accurately reported
It's possible. That long form ballot sure as hell doesn't Help.
QuoteWill he resign? He has always been personally unpopular with Canadians and has consistently polled lower than the Conservative Party does as a whole.
Are you out of your teeny tiny little mind? He got almost identical public support as carney did. They are about 1% apart. As many people wanted him as who wanted carney. It looks like he's going to be within about 10 to 15 seats, this is not a major victory for the liberals this is barely winning. No prime minister has gotten as high a score as he in previous elections did unless you go all the way back to Mulroney.
He is every bit as popular as carney is and without having to steal block and NDP voters which are likely to return to their respective parties in the next election.
Meanwhile he'll probably have about 2 years to reflect on what he did wrong and improve. And carney is just going to deliver the same that Trudeau did and people will catch on relatively quickly
He will have to answer some questions and he's going to have to admit that he made mistakes and he's going to have to look like he's sorry about that. But other than that he did amazingly well and people are not going to be excited about getting rid of him
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8 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:
Kenney is trying to make out that the Ford-Poilievre thang is just about personalities but that’s hard to believe given the history of the party.
it kind of is but not personalities between ford and PP per se. His campaign manager used to work for Ford and that relationship ended VERY badly. And when she signed on with the feds she basically sent a note to the ontario conservatives saying "if you've ever worked for ford, don't bother applying for the CPC".
So that's where the bad blood is. And that's why ford and his little yappy dog are trying to say PP's campaign was SOOOO bad. They want it to reflect on not just him but the campaign manager most of all.
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47 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:
FPTP makes voting a waste of time in many constituencies and reduces alternatives to what we have. if we were more mature we would have formal coalitions and be honest about the compromises needed to run a country.
Not only is that untrue but it doesn't change if you move to representational. It has the appearance of change but it really doesn't. You actually run that through a bunch of Elections but you get is some minor differences but no real actual change in actual representation because we have a party system
What does happen though is you tend to get management by committee and popularity. It dilutes the ability of an actual party to do things and makes it all about popularity contests basically you wind up running a non-Stop 365 day election campaign. It is extremely inefficient and it doesn't work
If you want to increase representation there are better ways to do it by far. It would be easier and vastly more effective to improve the power of minorities without removing all of the responsibility and accountability that comes with our current system.
First pass the post is the only system that actually works well and if you feel that we need more representation than you tweak it. But having 50 different parties with 50 different agendas spending all of their time trying to get in front of the cameras and not worrying about what's good for the country but who they can blame things on in no way shape or form makes our country better
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Just now, SpankyMcFarland said:
We have a wretched ragbag of programs across this country for those not blessed with company healthcare. It’s an embarrassment.
Healthcare is the responsibility of the provinces. I know that there are totalitarian types and socialists who think that everything should be run by the federal government and we should have a one-size-fits-all policy that everyone must adhere to. And presumably appropriate unisex uniforms for our workers to wear
But that is not the case
And what we're dealing with is huge waste. For the money that the liberals spent they literally could have bought every Canadian not currently covered by a healthcare plan with their work a similar healthcare plan that most employees have and it would have covered Medical Dental and other things.
When you have that level of waste eventually someone like elon musk comes along and lights into it. It is inevitable. It is one thing for Ottawa to fund the provinces' healthcare, it is another for them to deliver health care which is essentially what this program is attempting to do.
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10 minutes ago, eyeball said:
Great. We got dental care and pharmacare. They never would have happened otherwise and now they're both poised to expand in scope and become more inclusive and universal.
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No we didn't. We had pharmacare already in fact the provincial pharmacare here in British Columbia where you live this considerably better than anything that the liberals have put on the table. And then we're already Dental Care programs for the poor
So you got nothing. And the NDP is now been completely destroyed and probably won't come back for 2 or 3 elections as jag meat has basically admitted that they are utterly irrelevant.
Tell me all about how it's worth it. And tell me about what happens in an election or two when things are so bad in Canada as they will be because they were under Justin the people are willing to hire someone ultra right just to course correct.
You think when the debt hits 50 percent gdp as it will in a couple years that people won't be freaking out? When they still can't afford food and such? You CANNOT have gov't spending go rampant without inflation (unless you cause a recession) and Carney is using Justin's actual plans. which he helped develop.
You basically traded the destruction of the ndp today for next to nothing and an even worse time in the future
3 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:So do people like that poster…
But you are the only ones actually doing it
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4 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:
FPTP is an elderly system built for two national parties and a few regional parties. Smaller national parties are wasting their time and I think voters are wising up to that.
We just came off of 6 years of minority governments where every party had to say and had an effect. And in fact that has been the case for the vast majority of time in the 21st century so far.
First past the post is the best possible system we could have even though it's not perfect. All others are worse. Which is pretty much what you could say about democracy as well
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47 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:
Apparently, the Liberals outperformed in the advance vote which is counted late in a lot of cases. They may break even in Atlantic Canada and a majority government is possible. .
They're not deliberately counted late. But they count one box at a time so some of the ones that are remaining me very well be advanced. But a majority government isn't possible
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1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:
Echoes of 1997 with Quebec as the kingmaker this time after a good Tory showing way out east.
Well, the block in the NDP
Between them they've given about 20 seats to the liberals. Without that we'd be talking about a conservative victory right now. Although I doubt that the NDP consider themselves king makers. But I'm sure the block is happy with the way things are playing out.
2 minutes ago, eyeball said:I think having to cooperate to get things done will bring Canadians closer.
You're wrong. They had to cooperate in the last one. How did that pan out?
Bettors strongly back Conservative win, despite a Liberal polling lead
in Federal Politics in Canada
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The west absolutely voted for change. Something like 3/4 of the seats in the west went conservative.
The liberals won of minority, and they had almost the same number of people vote for them as the conservatives did
Carney is absolutely just like Justin and is going to run the country the same way with a few cosmetic differences. This was not change, the same liberals doing the same job with the same program and platform are still in power
And we don't need a lefty liberal like yourself telling us who should run our party. The guy won more seats, and did the best boat wise from any conservative going back to Mulroney. If trump hadn't scared the ndp and bloc voters so badly this would be a huge cpc majority
Hard to hate someone who delivered close to 41 percent of the vote.