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WASHINGTON (AP) — A federal judge ruled on Wednesday that the Trump administration must give more than 100 migrants sent to a notorious prison in El Salvador a chance to challenge their deportations.

U.S. District Court Chief Judge James Boasberg said that people who were sent to the prison in March under an 18th-century wartime law haven’t been able to formally contest the removals or allegations that they are members of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua. He ordered the administration to work toward giving them a way to file those challenges.

The judge wrote that “significant evidence” has surfaced indicating that many of the migrants imprisoned in El Salvador are not connected to the gang “and thus languish in a foreign prison on flimsy, even frivolous, accusations.”

Boasberg gave the administration one week to come up with a manner in which the "at least 137" people can make those claims, even while they're formally in the custody of El Salvador. It's the latest milestone in the monthslong legal saga over the fate of deportees imprisoned at El Salvador’s notorious Terrorism Confinement Center.

After Trump invoked the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 in March and prepared to fly planeloads of accused gang members to El Salvador and out of the jurisdiction of U.S. courts, Boasberg ordered them to turn the planes around. This demand was ignored. Boasberg has found probable cause that the administration committed contempt of court after the flight landed. El Salvador President Nayib Bukele posted a taunting message on social media — reposted by some of Trump's top aides — that read “Oopsie, too late.”

The U.S. Supreme Court later ruled that anyone targeted under the AEA has the right to appeal to a judge to contest their designation as an enemy of the state. Boasberg, in his latest, ruling wrote that he was simply applying that principle to those who'd been removed.

Boasberg said the administration “plainly deprived” the immigrants of a chance to challenge their removals before they were put on flights. Therefore, he says the government must handle the migrants cases now as if they “would have been if the Government had not provided constitutionally inadequate process.”

The Department of Justice did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The administration and its supporters have targeted Boasberg for his initial order halting deportations and his contempt inquiry, part of their growing battle with the judiciary as it puts the brakes on Trump's efforts to unilaterally remake government. The fight has been particularly harsh in the realm of immigration, where Trump has repeatedly said it'd be impossible to protect the country from dangerous immigrants if each one has his or her day in court."

Judge says migrants sent to El Salvador prison must get a chance to challenge their removals

 

 

Well the article suggests that the judge says there must be a method.  But it does not say that the method must involve a court or the like. Just that there must be a challenge to make sure they can contest the ruling, And moreover this ONLY applies to these specific people in the ruling. Not to all migrants at large. This seems to be because they're being deported pretty much right into the jail of the other country.

And i note the language... 'work on a way', etc. 

And i see trump did bring at least some of them back. 

I don't know dude, trump's obviously interested in fast tracking this stuff but i don't see  any indication of a legal issue with the overall program so far and it sounds like these are more legal disputes than totalitarianism. 

 

[Have Trump and his ICE agents become a terrifying Fascist state?]

17 minutes ago, User said:

Nope. That is not what I said nor what the article even went on to further explain. They still go through immigration courts and get "due process"

 

I should have been more clear, I meant they're not being charged with any crimes or anything in the country or being deported for punishment or being held without cause for extended periods or the like, they're being deported after it's been determined that they don't have a legal right to be here by the immigration courts. 

As you point out they are still being given a chance to show there's been a mistake or the like and they SHOULD be here.  And if they disgree with the decision they would STILL have recourse outside the country, 

 

[Have Trump and his ICE agents become a terrifying Fascist state?]

2 minutes ago, User said:

From the article, they still get "due process" but Trump is not going to let them just roam the streets endlessly getting check ins like Biden did because Biden was never interested in deporting them. 

"After taking office, the president issued an executive order that greenlights fast-track deportation proceedings for immigrants who cannot prove that they have continuously lived in the United States for more than two years."
 

Yeah, so they're just deporting them.  They're not incarcerating them for lengths of time without trial or the like, they're not punishing them, they're just saying "you don't have a right to be here, you'll be leaving now" and removing them from the country. 

And they can pursue whatever claims they have on the go to get legal permission to be in the country from their own country presumably. 

So.. i'm just not seeing how this is a denial of anything. If you want in, no sweat make application from your country and lets see if you qualify, same as most normal people do around the world.  

[KJP Writes A New Book About The Biden Dementia Coverup]

Wow that's a terrible video    "Our solution is to think outside the box! (I came up with that on my own, totally original)  AND... If you respect me and the people i respect and are willing to do my bidding then i will allow it!  I don't make any commitment to respect you or those you care about at all.  BUT, if you AGREE ENTIRELY with what i believe then i'll support you unconditionally on the condition that i approve of you "

W the actual F.   

Such a money grabbing twat. 

[Have Trump and his ICE agents become a terrifying Fascist state?]

Just now, User said:

No one is taking away due process. They are here illegally and now they are being detained pending that process. 

 

Are they? I thought they were simply being deported. They may be held long enough to remove them from the country but i don't believe they're being held while their claim is processed. I think they're just punted out and they can continue their claim from outside the us. Did i get that wrong?

[Have Trump and his ICE agents become a terrifying Fascist state?]

25 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I don't believe in Fascism where people are not given due process.  America is supposed to be a country of law and due processes, not arbitrary arrest and deportation with no process.  Hope you don't agree with how Hitler and Stalin operated.

What's your definition of due process here? Do process normally applies to the legal machinery involved with defending yourself against a crime.

But these people are not being criminally charged, they're simply being removed from the property so to speak. And they absolutely still have access to that legal system from a different country. You don't have to be in the united states in order to appeal to the united states court.

So I have to ask do process for what? They are still granted access to the courts, they're just not allowed to do it from within the country until they have evidence that they are lawfully allowed in the country. I'm not sure where their rights are being trampled, and I'm not being facetious or sarcastic. You'll have to explain to me what legal recourse they no longer have by being removed from the country

[Have Trump and his ICE agents become a terrifying Fascist state?]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

It's the way Trump and ICE are going about it.  They don't respect due process at all and human rights.  They don't care about any legal process and have no conscience about taking kids away from their parents and locking anybody up.

Well as I understand it they just deporting them. I'm not sure how much due process would be involved with that.

While people may not like deportation it's not actually a punishment like incarcerating somebody for years would be. I would guess that it would be incumbent upon the individual to prove that they have lawful excuse to be in the country and if they couldn't they would be removed whereupon they could still seek legal recourse through the courts from another country.

I think a lot of people feel that many of these people have been abusing the court system to stay in the country longer than they should have and when that happens there is always a blowback like this. I think if someone is deported Erroneously when they actually had every right to be in the country then they should be able to sue the government for massive amounts of money and it should be a national embarrassment for trump. But considering they are not being held or incarcerated any longer than necessary to remove them from the country I don't know that they require a great deal more due process than that.

If a court says they do then there should be some process set up to make sure that people aren't deported who are legitimately in the country but at the end of the day I'm still not seeing the Draconian nature here. These people entered the country illegally as I understand it, they were aware of the risks, they were aware that they may be thrown out, and now that's happening.

[The United States may recognize Alberta's right to self determination, strengthening the province position in negotiations with Ottawa]

46 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I'll say this for Carney: he was elected into the toughest role of any Canadian PM ever...

Ordinarily you'd think that following a narcissistic fascist who seems gay and just got dumped by his wife would be an easy task, but Trudeau left this country in sorry shape and headed downhill fast. And that was BEFORE the trade war with the US started.

For Carney to halt the downward slide and just maintain the status quo, without ballooning our budget, in the face of Trump's brutal assault on our economy would be an astonishing success, but when you factor in his minority gov't and the need to satisfy one of the NDP, Greens and Bloc... Winston Churchill was the last western leader to be in a tighter spot than Carney is.

If Canada doesn't implode or Carney get the boot within 6 months I will be shocked.  

Well it's a tough row to hoe for sure, but i'm sure his many years experience as a politician will help to....  oooooh wait.....  

I think they are counting on either Lying their asses off to try and hide the damage I make it sound like things are great or creating a crisis similar to covert or trump in order to rally people around them again as the only people that can save the planet in Canada

Did you see the post I made where polling suggests that pride in Canada has already plummeted again now that the election is over? These guys are absolute pros and manufacturing bullshit and getting people worked up for the 5 minutes it takes to get elected

But at the end of the day he doesn't care. He's going to spend his time funneling money into consultants and agencies outside of Canada who will pay him huge dollars when he leaves politics.  Even if he's gone in 2 years he will still be an outrageously rich man for the rest of his life. It's not like he's here because he cares about Canada

[The federal debt interest expense has exploded and now surpasses defence spending by about double.]

 

As you can see, During harper's time the debt interest was brought under control, and under the liberals between all the borrowing and inflation interest rate hikes it is now insanely high again. 

And Carney is borrowing even more than justin was. 

 

Canada deficit

[The Trump Presidency’s World-Historical Heist]

On 6/2/2025 at 9:09 AM, robosmith said:

@Nationalist is prime example of CORRUPTION not caring about Trump UNPRECEDENTED CORRUPTION as proven by the FACT she believes it's funny..

Dude the whole thing is complete bullshit. And you didn't give a crap about Hillary selling influence to Saudi Arabia or Biden using his influence to score billions of dollars for his family. But now you're shocked and outraged. Yawn. 

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

Are you saying that Trump LIED? LMAO

All he needs to do it legit is approval from Congress, which he will certainly get if the RepubliCONS manage to maintain control.

Only Dems being in charge will stop him.

Neither will stop him. Trump can start a presidential library seems many other presidents both republican and democrat before him.

Trump doesn't own the plane, you're being silly

[Carney's First Bill overreach?]

Trudeau tried to push dozens of bills through that were similar to this. The guy is just like Justin, nothing is changing and anyone who thought it would is dumb enough to buy a bridge in Brooklyn. This is the same old liberal party, carney lies a little bit differently than Trudeau did but it's still going to be lies

[Say hello to the new boss (Carney), same as the old boss.]

9 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Nope, not even close

Dude everyone' can see it   You fell apart so fast i'm worried people may get hit by the shrapnel!   

You crapped yourself into being the front runner for the next depends undergarment spokesperson. 

Sorry little guy. maybe it was mean of me to smak you around like that but you kind of had it coming  

So the next time you feel like getitng mouthy or rude with someone, remember how easy it was for me to beat you up and pìss on you.  They might do the same thing, it's not like it's hard to do  

[Say hello to the new boss (Carney), same as the old boss.]

10 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Still not as bad as confux. And all I am dong is stating facts.

 

 

 

So you're calling your little melt downs 'facts' now are you  

I think you need to tell your "facts" (emotional meltdowns) to your  "math teacher" (therapist) as soon as possible. Sounds like your issues are getting worse  

 

[NDP to vote against throne speech, forcing Liberals to find support elsewhere]

10 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Way to soon for an election, Let's wait until we see what deal we get on the tariffs and how things work out in the next 6 months...They are not starting off on the right foot, internals problems within his cabinet, first bill is a failure, as much as i'd like to see carney and the liberals fail...lets wait until we get on somewhat stable ground tariff wise first....

We need the NDP to find a much better leader, that will suck liberal votes away, we really need liberal voters to start regretting their choices...If there is a election we need a conservative majority....so PP can start fixing problems...

agreed. I don't think we're in any danger of going to an election either way, i don't think any party could afford it just yet except maybe the cpc, but it's nice that he's already got to be thinking of it. 

[Have Trump and his ICE agents become a terrifying Fascist state?]

12 minutes ago, blackbird said:

What is happening in a country which was once supposed to be a leading country for human rights and freedoms is shocking.

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The group has collected dozens of reports from immigration attorneys whose clients were immediately arrested after their court appearances only to be placed into expedited removal proceedings where they can be rapidly deported without an opportunity to appear before a judge.

Detainees include immigrants of all ages, including families with young children and toddlers as young as two and three years old, according to the group’s analysis of recent arrests.

In at least one case, ICE agents detained children who were in court with their parents and attempted to arrest a mother with a nursing infant, the report found."

Outrage after California fourth grader is detained by ICE agents during immigration hearing

But as I understand it all of these people are genuinely unlawfully in the US. If that's not true they can still exercise their legal options outside of the US.

If that understanding is correct, then there's nothing totalitarian or fascist. If people don't like the law then they should change the law, but if these people are genuinely unlawfully in the country then they should be removed.

I'm more interesting conversation would be is this wise considering it's going to discourage virtually anyone from showing up to their hearings? It could make the problem go deeper underground and make it that much harder to resolve.

But no, sovereignty over one's national borders is not fascist in the slightest

[Canadian Forest Management Fails, Fueling Massive Wild Fires.]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

The EXPERTS I CITED explained it all, IF you know how to READ. 

I think you misread what they wrote. You seem to do that a lot. 

[The United States may recognize Alberta's right to self determination, strengthening the province position in negotiations with Ottawa]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

Obviously he won't stand up for Canada.  His only interest is in staying in power. 

Yeah, I think we knew that about him when he crushed his opposition in the leadership race and had them thrown out of the race on a flimsy excuse  

In fairness most politicians care about staying in power. You don't get to the top of the pyramid unless you do. It's just a shame that the conservatives didn't pick up a couple of extra seats

[Say hello to the new boss (Carney), same as the old boss.]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

You did not break me.

I very obviously broke you. You completely cracked. You reduced to multiple posting of silly pictures because you're angry and crying to yourself that you got called out and nobody cares that you're offended

You are mentally fragile beyond belief. It took me one sentence to completely crush you.

And if you don't want to be called a liar, don't lie so often. I know you suck at math but even you should be able to figure out that formula

Have you considered taking a break from the internet? I'd really miss your humor but honestly it seems like your mental health is getting worse and worse

[The United States may recognize Alberta's right to self determination, strengthening the province position in negotiations with Ottawa]

28 minutes ago, blackbird said:

BC NDP Premier Eby is opposed to a Northern Gateway Pipeline to move oil from Alberta to the northwest B.C. ports of Prince Rupert or Kitimat.   That means he opposes making Canada an energy superpower.  He in effect is backhandedly supporting Alberta separatists because he is opposed to making Alberta a strong province within confederation.  How dumb can anyone be?

Count the seats bud. He's basically staying in power because of the 2 green votes. Without that the conservatives would bring him down. You think he's going to keep that green party support and he starts saying yes to pipelines?

[The United States may recognize Alberta's right to self determination, strengthening the province position in negotiations with Ottawa]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

Just proved America should mind its own business. 

More like I proved that your opinion on the subject is somewhat selective  

[CTV reporting housing affordability crisis increasing at alarming rate.]

14 minutes ago, taxme said:

Probably Flyer was finally told that it was time for the child to stop sucking on his thumb in kindergarten. 🤣

 

LOL so THATS why he's so angry  

14 minutes ago, taxme said:

We both have to be out of our heads to keep dealing with that lefty lieberal. He is the original loser. 🤣

Well he's always amusing   It's not like any one takes him seriously. 

[Say hello to the new boss (Carney), same as the old boss.]

13 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

LOL oh crap, i think i broke him

 4 weeks of you trying to make me angry - complete fail. 

30 seconds of me trying to make you angry - total meltdown  

 Like i said kiddo,  one of the things you need to learn in life as  you grow up is that you'll be treated based on how you treat others  

Go have your cookie and your nap, you'll be fine. 

[NDP to vote against throne speech, forcing Liberals to find support elsewhere]

NDP to vote against throne speech, forcing Liberals to find support elsewhere | CBC News

wow, the NDP grew a spine pretty quick after they got rid of jaggers!  

Interesting. The CPC probably won't back it without concessions, like 'budget before fall" or the like. So the bloc will have to suck it up.  

Or the gov't falls, and then most likely the CPC will be given a chance to run the show.  By tradition if the gov't falls within 6 months of an election the gg won't want to go back to the polls because it's unlikely people's opinions would have substantially changed, so they try to find if there's any other group or coalition that would be willing to try to move forward. If absolutely no one will take the job then it's election time again. 

They'll probably talk one of the others into propping them up, nobody wants an election again this quickly, But it's got to be a pretty serious shot across carney's bow that he's got to think about this so soon. 

[Former Trump supporter Pamela Hemphill refuses and returns her Jan. 6 pardon]

10 minutes ago, herbie said:

You halfwit troll, I watched that Jan 6 riot with my own eyes so don't gaslight us with your MAGAtt troll description of events.
It was as unruly as any George Floyd BLM riot and more disgusting as it happened in a Centre of Govt.
Nice f*cking try with parroting Trumps fat lying lips it was some sort of patriotic love-in.

You also tripled the value of your home with your credit card sooooo...  slight credibility issues  

[PM Carney's chant of stop the war in Gaza is saying let Hamas carry on its attacks on Israel]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Do you have any evidence of journalists on the ground, along with NGO's and CEOs in distant corporate boardrooms working in unison to fabricate these stories for profit?

You're insane. 

Who's shooting whom near Rafah's aid center, and who's exploiting the bloodshed | The Times of Israel

Gaza aid group denies reports of Israeli fire near food site

Statement on Media Misinformation on Gaza - U.S. Embassy in Israel

Reckless and irresponsible reporting by major U.S. news outlets are contributing to the antisemitic climate that has resulted in the murder of two young people at an Israeli Embassy event in Washington last month and the attempted murder and terror attack on a group of pro-Israel demonstrators in Colorado on Sunday.

Without verification of any source other than Hamas and its collaborators, the New York Times, CNN, and Associated Press reported that a number of people seeking to receive humanitarian food boxes from the Gaza Humanitarian Fund were shot or killed by the Israeli Defense Forces.  These reports were FALSE.  Drone video and first-hand accounts clearly showed that there were no injuries, no fatalities, no shooting, no chaos.  It is Hamas that continues to terrorize and intimidate those who seek food aid

 

Sigh. Yes, there's proof. 

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