Infidel Dog

Perhaps if any of that wasn't twisted away from a consideration of the totality of the facts or lacking context you might have a point but I prefer press secretary, Kayleigh McEnany's explanation. Starts at the 5:45 minute mark.

Here's a recent story from Florida: SCAMDEMIC: Floridians Report Receiving Positive COVID-19 Diagnosis Despite Never Being Tested

A resurgence of cases in Ontario: https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-records-highest-number-of-new-covid-19-cases-since-june-1.5032640 When this happened in Texas we were being told by Trump Derangement types it was proof of a complete failure of pandemic policy by Trump. Anybody think it's likely they'll be judging Trudeau by the same Metric?

BTW Boges, there's something we only hear about when they get caught but in June Washington state had to remove 7 cases off their "positivity rate" stats for deaths. Two were suicides, three were homicides and 2 were ODs. Increased testing caught them for Covid too. https://www.king5.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/washington-coronavirus-testing-death-toll-mistake/281-1c1209f3-fd8c-4ca4-879c-cdbd43c8cd82

Well, that's some Prog logic there. We both agree that infection rate judged against tested cases is an untrustworthy stat because of mitigations built into the stat. And you conclude from that, that we should put more value on it. Faulty testing as pressure is put on for more tests and incorrect positives as some states pressure for more infections (you tell me why, but it is done) are not a factor if such things might contradict you confirmation bias, I suppose. There's this thing I notice you doing in general. You'll lasoo some small detail out of a large pack of information and pull your hair out over it as if it's the only thing that ever mattered anywhere to anybody. What I see when I look at the graph on your link is a precipitous drop in cases even though they rise a bit again lately as much more testing is done. I look at that graph and I say "Decent job, there President Trump. You inherited a system where bureaucracies would not offer up enough reliable tests so you made deals with companies to increase the manufacture of such tests. Now there's more testing in America than anywhere." There are also more positive cases and we're what? Supposed to congratulate you that your confirmation bias is confirmed?

And if you test more you have more infections. That was Trump's point in the claim cases of infections are an untrustworthy stat when they are making hyperbolic statements about the high number of cases. The stat contains mitigating factors. In fact, that might have been a better Gotcha for Wallace to use if he'd been aware of it. Trump is using infection rate built into the stat when it serves him. Wallace didn't do that though. Instead he used a different stat to judge Trump's and mistakingly call him a liar. It's interesting though that both stats show the same thing the pandemic has lessened judged by both metrics. The fall is more explicit with death rates against infections is all. But both deaths per 100k population and death per infection show a precipitous drop from pandemic highs. In fact even per 100k America is below some of the more developed countries in Europe. You seem to want to divert from Trump though and when convenient make the point that the Governors of states like Florida and Texas are guilty of some horror show crime by reopening. I notice though that California is also experiencing the same slight rise in deaths and infections without reopening. California is Democrat run. I also notice when you compare these states to Europe you forget about Sweden. Texas reopened in April. There never was a lockdown in Sweden. Sweden has yet to experience any kind of second wave. So if your point is Republicans (and only republicans) reopening states is some sort of proof of bad management because look at the more socialist controlled countries of Europe, very well. Explain Sweden. BTW Wallace didn't do anything other MSM commentators aren't doing in comparing Trump's stat to a different metric and hoping people don't notice it still doesn't show the horror they're hoping for.

Yes Boges. Trump used deaths per infection. You prefer deaths per capita. Good for you, but it still doesn't make the 2 metrics the same thing. Yes the mainstream interviewer was Chris Wallace on Fox Sunday - trying like a bandit for a gotcha on Trump almost as hard as you are but his lying fact checks weren't working any better than your diversions from the point. Not with me, anyway.

California is not an outlier. 1 out of 3 three larger more populated southern states is not an outlier. It's a trend. It isn't much of a trend if you're looking for an "OMG, see how terrible" though because you're still not seeing the kind of numbers you were in the Democrat run states at the beginning of the pandemic. Population density and culture would factor into whether or not a percentage of total population is a better indication of anything than fatality rate of percentage of infected would be. The fact remains they are different metrics. Saying the one is the same as the other is a lie. The fake news interviewer was lying in his fact check, looking for this gotcha on Trump, just as i said he was. Divert from now till next year if you like that will still be a fact. And what governors decide to do is still not an effective smear on Trump.

Nonsense. You're talking about something completely different. You're assuming things are worse than they are then giving your theory as to why that might be and insinuating Trump is the cause. I'm saying the fake news is using a completely different metric to judge death rate than the one Trump is then strutting about like they've got a 'gotcha' because the results don't match. Trump is using "fatality rate" and calling it fatality rate. The fake news, fake "fact checkers" are using deaths per 100,000. Either metric puts mortality less than most or all of the major countries in Europe but the one Trump is using puts America lowest. California, Florida and Texas had recent spikes in infections and deaths. Governors manage policy as far as what might be reopened, not the President, so I'm not sure what your point is. Is your point that 2 of those states are currently run by Republicans? That would have nothing to do with Trump but it would be worth noting that these spikes are small in comparison to what was happening in the beginning of the Chi-Comm pandemic in Democrat run states.

I was watching Trump get interviewed on Fox's Sunday show. Trump talks about America's low "fatality rate," which is percentage of deaths per infections. The interviewer looking for a 'gotcha' today was using deaths per 100,000 of population and pretending that was the same thing Trump was talking about. America winds up being about 7th of whatever countries they're choosing even with what's his name the interviewer's favored stat. With actual fatality rate America is usually around 17 of 20 countries. It's below all the major ones with the possible exception of Germany.

Here's another one the MSM won't be telling you about. You know how they will tell how babbling, basement dwelling Joe Biden is leading handily in the polls? In fact they won't shut up about it. What they won't tell you is there's an interesting stat buried in those polls. The majority that thinks they'll be voting for Joe also says they expect Trump to win again. That's interesting because... https://spectator.org/why-the-polls-predict-trump-will-win/

Well, the fatality rates you found seem to confirm the ones at RCP so I'm not sure what your point is. The fatality rates in America are relatively low. Fake covid deaths like when somebody dies of diabetes or cancer or suicide and gets marked down under orders from the Powers That Be as Covid deaths are the bigger covid skewering stat. As far as scares like "OMG! They won't have enough beds! They're burying people in mass graves!" go. We saw those earlier in other states and they turned out to be nothing. The media likes to scare. Call us when they actually have something.

The fatality rates by country at Real Clear Politics look like this: France 17.26 United Kingdom 15.43 Belgium 15.41 Italy 14.36 Netherlands 11.93 Mexico 11.60 Spain 9.25 Canada 8.06 Sweden 7.27 Ecuador 7,25 7 spots below that is the United States.

Also the top ten fatality rates by state (or federal district) are: Connecticut 9.18 New Jersey 8.62 Michigan 7.89 New York 7.52 California 7.44 Pennsylvania 6.78 New Hampshire 6.41 Rhode Island 5.86 Indiana 5.11 (Federal District) DC 5.16 Just in case you ever want to clarify your insinuation there's evidence of a southern Republican covid policy mismanagement.

You can't do that. You can't make some broad sweeping insinuation like this: then when you're shown the Republican not only didn't say that but said the exact opposite think you can dodge to "No wait. What I really meant was he just regrets re-opening the bars." That's not what you originally meant. If somebody actually thinks it was he should step forward so I can laugh at him. 110 people died in Texas according to RCP's New Deaths stat. 3,778 died in democrat-run New York on April 14. Make your Republican mismanagement insinuation out of that stat. Cuomo was sending Covid patients from the ER to nursing homes. Abbot regrets re-opening bars early. Oh and flattening the curve is a useless stat because an increase in testing skews the stat. All it proves is somebody figured out how to issue more tests.

1) You're wrong: Texas Gov. Greg Abbott says “there is no shutdown coming” as coronavirus cases surge 2) Recent deaths in Texas are only a record in Texas. States like Pennsylvania, New York and New Jersey have had days of double or much, much more than Texas. 129 died in Texas yesterday. New York had a day when more than 4,000 died. Graphic: Coronavirus deaths in the U.S., per day As to your imagined lack of ICU beds in Texas... It doesn't look like there's hospital overrun,' ex-NY Times reporter tells Bill Hemmer 0

The explanation of Fox - the entertainment network, not Fox News - went like this: It is unfortunate that Fox News didn't share the willingness to be so open-minded and such a champion of free speech when the offender was less - as Nick Cannon puts it - melaninated. For one thing, when you look into it, Tucker Carlson's head writer's offense was much less offensive if you check out the context and details - something the MSM won't help you with.

All I do is listen to the voices of what seems to be the more reasonable argument - like Lindzen and Lomberg. If you're giving out Nobel Prizes maybe you'd want to start there. There are a couple of Canadians named McIntyre and Mckitrick who deserve at least an Order of Canada. I wouldn't mind some of the trillions the Powers That Be have been wasting on the climate catastrophe scam though.

Oh...and I just thought of another one I was wondering about. Apparently the mayor of Toronto was letting the professional protester crowd set up an encampment outside city hall. It was up for weeks. Kind of an answer to Seattle's CHAV/Chop zone. Then the Communist nouveau revolution moved on to John Tory's personal condo complex so at that point he finally decided to shut both protest sites down. I heard about it on Rebel. Was your nightly news keeping you up to date? I saw Rebel reporters getting attacked or pushed off the site when they tried to report on it. I didn't see the state-run media of the CBC media or any of the other liberal financed outfits there. I would hope they at least mentioned something was happening there. Did they?

Come to think of it here's another one I've been curious about... Is your legacy news telling you about all the news lately suggesting Trump was right about Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ)? https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stephen-green/2020/07/13/hcq-helps-contain-covid-19-cases-new-evidence-and-a-major-retraction-n636361 Not only does the evidence continue to mount that HCQ used correctly is effective at stages in the advancement of the disease, there were studies and claims the legacy media was all over damning HCQ that proved to be fake. Was your nightly news telling you about any to that?

How about all these ones that call into question the BLM complaint of blacks as special victims of law, Boges? Apparently there also many stories of these BLM style "victims" as vicitmizers. Are you seeing them on your Mainstream nightly news? Brittany Sellner gives you a list of them to check.

I recognized the possibility there might be argument on that one. In fact I asked specifically if anybody had heard about it on the nightly news. Did you? It's possible, I guess. I stopped using legacy media's nightly news myself. I rarely use Google either. However I do use Duck, Duck Go and when I click their news link I get some fringe talk trying to excuse the call to Cancel Goya at places like NBC and MSNBC. At the outright fringe leftist sites there's more of the same. For opposition to the Cancel Culture aspect though I'm only seeing Fox and the right outsider sites. So what I was saying would be an example of that.

Once you accept the existence of "systemic racism" you can't win. Anything can be an example of it and any contradiction gets shouted down by the "Whose streets? Our Streets!" minority. For them it's us versus them. But you can't accept that and shout back because if you do you're the bad guy. There's a third side. The wishy washy middle. They can't accept the idea that there is a conflict. Although they're shy to admit it too loud they've bought into the lie of the victimized racial minority. They don't want to be seen as the bad guy so they just say there is no battle and attack anybody noticing that there actually is one as being combative and the cause of the conflict. I think those of us who know there is a conflict need to take our eyes away from the cause for a bit and deal with what think of themselves as moderates. We need to clarify the enemy for them so even they can recognize the obvious conflict with an obvious enemy. And the enemy isn't 'people of colour." It's what call themselves "Progressives" through socialists to the admittedly communists. Or as I like to call them, the 'Prog->comms.' Progcomms invented this 'systemic racism' lie to cause division. We need to clarify the enemy and shout back. Once they realize that we've identified the real enemy and object to the nonsense they are creating they'll back away like they always do. For awhile after FDR, "Progressive" became a slur and they backed away. We need to make it one again. Without the Progs the Comms are no threat. With them they are. The comms create the term 'systemic racism.' When they get the progs to start believing in it, that's when you've got a problem.

The Legacy media buries a lot of these cancel culture stories. Maybe not though. Here's one from Fox. Have you heard about it on the nightly news? There's this canned food producer that gives a lot of food and such to the poor. The CEO said something complimentary about Trump and the Cancelatti is going after him with frothy mouths. He won't apologize. Smart guy. For one thing that never works. All but one of The Five support him. But this is Fox.