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We aren't perfect. Some of my buddies who work in the intelligence community face the same issue when bad intelligence put our operator's lives at risk. We lost people because it. That is part of the gig. Now if someone in the administration purposefully and knowingly use bad intelligence to justify something for personal gain then that is a violation of our ethics law and should be prosecuted.

Nah Ill take our cia and pentagon offical word over russian any day

I think you are missing the two biggest point. 1) they've reach an agreement to phase out tariffs 2) they are uniting to take on China by re-writing the WTO with respect to the EU, they are trying to diversify their market for energy deleveraging Russia's geopolitical leverage.

Dr. Google taught me well.

No no no, you're believing the fake news again. Lets just clarify, it was our Russian comrade who helped us drain the swamp.

Fox news says your Canadian tax dollar is paying for a nice hotel for illegal immigrants.

Yup, getting NATO deadbeats to pay their fair share, Getting NK to stop testing nukes and launching missles, getting our prisoners back, all for a little meeting with out releasing prisoner and 3 billion dollars. . Isis is about to be annihilated, Iran isn't thinking about grande ambition anymore, Negotiation are going well on trade. Trying to work with Russia, on issue we have common ground with. Winning in Afghanistan again after disastrous Obama chicken shit policies. Economy is up, all in 18 months, Yeah I'd say that's a lot of progress. First sitting president to accomplish that much. I mean if all he did was ruffle some feathers that needed ruffling then by all mean ruffle away! You should realize by now that every American political wave will quickly cascade to Canada, you're looking at the next wave of conservatism. Liberalism is out, populism is in. Also, I'd vote for a magic bean if it could get the results we are getting.

Oh mon Dieu, a Canadian who actually admits to their dependence on America. This is like the equivalence to a Canadian unicorn.

1) Texans are more productive than Canadians? 2) That just means they get to invest it else where in America. At least that way part of their proceeds won't get sapped into Canadian welfare. Sounds like we're doing ourselves a favor.

Yes to all the above but that's beside the point. It is fair to complain about Trump's antic but I think that some of those criticism is over the top. Trump is trying to fix the WTO as was discussed with the EU. He also fixing NATO. He's trying to fix the middle east and NK. We did not elect him to be another sensitive liberal snowflake politician like Obama and Trudeau, we elected him to get things done so he is free to do what he see fit so long as it is within our interest, the voter. We tried your route, look at the amount of problems Obama created, look at the progress Trump has made. If a few liberal tears has to be shed to water the tree of liberty then so be it. The US is done being friendly, two previous administration saw to that.

1) see above 2) Ah so this gets to the heart of the matter, Canada does not want to be "bullied" around by the US. Canada, you're just going to have to deal with it. Canada has lost its only "trump" card (even more pun intended) last time we negotiated NAFTA; when Canada's energy reserve were of significance. Now, it is no longer the case.

I think the criticism on Trump is a lack of understanding of the man. Perhaps if critics would read Trump's book art of the deal, they'd know how he is a "very stable genius" .

I know GM has invested heavily in the state of Texas which tells me they plan on pulling out of Canada. The question then becomes are you willing to loose a core Canadian export over spilled milk(major pun intended)? "GM bringing 600 jobs to Texas from abroad" https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/general-motors/2017/06/16/gm-supplier-park/102926016/

Look at it this way, Canada's entire GDP is slightly smaller than the state of Texas. Mexico is even smaller than that by over 30 percent. What ever Trade deal that we may or may not work out is of little consequence for the US. Conversely, if Canada doesn't sort out a trade deal with the US then most of those liberal policies that Canada pride itself on like healthcare and other social welfare programs would no longer be affordable. Seems like a lot more is at stake for Canada than Canadian pride is willing to admit. The US has been plenty clear on trade discussion, we want to see a free trade agreement with no protectionist loophole. Why keep that supply chain management when free market is a better solution.

Put it this way Canada, your entire economy is slightly smaller than my home state of Texas. Whether you adopt free trade is of no major consequence to the US. Same goes for mexico .

Is he now downgraded to a beta male? Trudeau I mean.

I consider the US tariffs investment, because for a nickel that I have to pay as part of my GDP, I can get Canada and the rest of the world to lower their trade barriers while also potentially watching them commit economic Sepuku as Canada and china has done. Sounds like a pretty good show either way. Not much to loose but everything to gain. Yes keep underestimating Trump supporter, that's how 2016 happened.

Oh its totally up to Canada if it wants to tax their own people and raise cost while destroying their economy, We're definitely not here to prevent Canadian Economic suicide. In-fact the opposite could be argued. We're just wondering whether or not Canada understands what it has committed to. Wondering why Trudeau didn't take Trump's trade deal at the G7 summit, why didn't they just become "pussies" like the EU. There were so many different paths other than economic sepuku.

Yes but why then did Trudeau use retaliatory tariff. Look at the EU's approach, they chose to de-escalate, making it a win win . Canada just want supply management.

I have a great fondness for said Canadians. Without them, my jihad on this forum would be meaningless.

In way more important news, Mike Pompeo give testimony over Helsinki and other issue.

Fake news, they're just making it in anticipation, nobody ordered... "The factory has turned out about 90,000 banners since March, said manager Yao Yuanyuan, an unusually large number for what is normally the low season, and Yao believed the China-U.S. trade war was the reason. “It’s closely related,” she said. “They are preparing in advance, they are taking advantage of the fact that the tariffs haven’t gone up yet, with lower prices now.”

Trump on Monday said that he’s in discussions with incoming Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador about doing something “very dramatic, very positive for both countries,” without giving more details. Mexico’s peso extended gains after Trump’s remarks, rising 0.7 percent to 18.8951 per dollar at 4:48 p.m. in New York. Lopez Obrador is “a terrific person,” Trump said at a Made in America event at the White House, adding he spoke to the Mexican president-elect “at length on a call.” https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-23/mexico-said-to-push-for-nafta-deal-with-trump-by-end-of-august?cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Mexican President-elect Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador sent U.S. President Donald Trump a letter urging a swift end to NAFTA negotiations and suggesting the leaders could work well together due to their shared anti-establishment style, Mexican officials said on Sunday. Mexico's president-elect Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador gestures during a news conference in Mexico City, Mexico July 22, 2018. REUTERS/Ginnette Riquelme The letter was delivered during a recent meeting in Mexico with senior U.S. officials, and details were disclosed once Trump had received it, said Lopez Obrador, a leftist who won Mexico’s July 1 presidential election in a landslide. Marcelo Ebrard, the president-elect’s proposed foreign minister, read a copy of the letter at a news conference with Lopez Obrador that said the incoming administration’s aim was to “start a new chapter in the relationship between Mexico and the United States, based on mutual respect.” https://www.reuters.com/article/us-trade-nafta-mexico/mexican-leftist-appeals-to-anti-establishment-trump-seeks-nafta-deal-idUSKBN1KC0WZ

Or you can take the free trade deal now and save all that wait time and pain. Sounds like Canada much prefer pride over prudence as Trudeau has demonstrated. Big bro was only trying to be fair. Canada is not going to do that by having protectionist trade. If you want to build new market then adopt free trade.

HA! As if Canada will find a larger market with the least amount of tariff than the US. All the other countries you'd be trading with have tariff higher than what we offer, which is free trade. It's okay to be upset at the US but big bro just got to whip everyone into shape every now and then. Try not to take it too personally Canada. You'll come back begging for free trade soon enough.