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Really cool, Bonam.

I wasn't jumping on his side. I just misunderstood what you both were debating. I thought we were looking for solutions to combatting religious extremism in children and thought this woman's perspective was reasonable.

Oh sorry. I thought you were looking for a solution.

Here is one Muslim woman's thoughts on it: http://mackenzieinstitute.com/rise-islamic-extremism-canada/

This is a concern of some Muslims, too. I read this article some years ago when it came out (2013) but it echoes the above article. Her thoughts on multiculturalism in Canada are interesting, too: She also covers 9/11 and Canada's immigration loopholes.

http://globalnews.ca/news/3690481/asylum-seekers-benefits-eligibility/?utm_source=GlobalEdmonton&utm_medium=Facebook Welcome to Canada, where Trudeau pays you, out of taxpayer money, to do things illegally.

Me either. When you make the choice (and it totally is a "choice") to throw your own HUMAN rights and the HUMAN rights of every other person out the window, you don't get to then come back and claim your HUMAN rights. Humans who choose to act like animals, choose to give up their own HUMAN rights.

Not really. The Liberals have made their wants and preferences the top priority over other Canadians.

No. I'm disagreeing with you on the importance of discussion. But this discussion is clearly over your head.

It also wasn't "unexpected". As soon as Trudeau told them all to come here, we all knew this was going to happen.

What? You are saying that your logic is so complete that nothing needs to be discussed, we should all just obey whatever you say. I'm trying to show you that discussion is necessary, because it sometimes shows you that your logic is flawed.

Asking for information would involve discussion. I think you confuse what a discussion is. Discussion involves 2-way communication. I suspect what you don't like about "discussion" is that you can't control it. What you are looking for is more like, "Everybody has to listen to what Altai says but Altai does not have to consider anything anyone else says." It's really all about CONTROL for you. This is why you keep saying "There is nothing to discuss" - because you have a need to be in control of the information, a need to always be right and have no interest in expanding your knowledge or listening to what other people have to say.

That was my point. Contradictory. My point, again, was that discussion can help you consider things about a situation that you didn't know about. I think my point went "Whizzzzzzz!" - right over your head.

Expectation - Observation = Frustration What seems a logical way of thinking for you may not seem logical for others. For instance, my mother was frustrated with my grandmother one time while doing dishes after supper and asked my grandmother, "Why are your pots and pans in so many different cupboards? Why don't you keep them all together?" Seems logical, right? My grandmother answered, " I'm 85 years old and I can't reach the high cupboards anymore. So I keep the things I use often where they're easy to reach. Things I don't use as often, I put where it doesn't matter." Also logical, yes? My mother had Expectations about what she felt was logical. But she failed to Observe my grandmother's situation. So she experienced Frustration. They Discussed it and saw that both sides had logical points.

He is quite a drama queen, LOL

Doing that would give away the agenda too easily.

Wow. I didn't think it was possible, but you are getting really low with the insults.

I read that 70% of the refugees are young males. 25% are women and 5% are children.

You are very attached to Islam, by extension. Any criticism of it that comes from anyone but you is perceived as a criticism of your sister. When people are discussing the problems in Islam, we are all aware that not ALL muslims think that way. We have all said that many times. Over and over and over. It's you who refuse to see that. People should be able to discuss the problems in Islam without you directing how that conversation takes place and censoring what everyone says. You constantly jump to the conclusion that any criticism of Islam is directed toward individuals, in particular your sister. I'm sure your sister and your freinds are wonderful people. What you need to understand is that not ALL muslims are like your sister. What do you want me to do? You deny there is hatred of Jews in mainstream Islam, yet there are myriads of examples of it - all over the world, on a daily basis. You keep saying that it is only a tiny, tiny, barely perceptable minority who hate Jews and we should all ignore it and not talk about it. It is not. Do they ALL hate Jews? No. Do they ALL love and tolerate Jews? You know the answer, you just don't like when people point it out. I'm sorry I don't think Islam is the greatest thing ever. I'm sorry I don't believe Islam is "the religion of peace". I'm sorry I don't believe it honors or respects women. You are free to "Rah! Rah, Islam!!" for it all you want. Go for it.

Find anywhere on here where I said I agreed with any of those things. There's your answer.

http://globalnews.ca/news/3658241/somali-criminal-records-canada-us-deportation-intelligence/?utm_source=GlobalEdmonton&utm_medium=Facebook We are in for lots of trouble......

That may be how you perceive the conversations, because you are extremely emotionally attached to islam, but very little of what you said there explains how I feel about it.

Good link. I had been reading quite a bit lately on Muslim feminists, too, so I appreciate your links and research as well. The only part I slightly disagree with is that obsession with the hijab is not only a "very Western thing". I feel that Muslims themselves, especially in Western countries, have also contributed to making the hijab the ultimate symbol of Islam. Unfortunately, they have chosen a symbol with a history of values about women's inferiority, a history of abuse of power, a history of violence against women.

I'm just thinking of the Civil Rights movement. I don't think there was a large contingent of blacks fighting against the blacks who were trying to gain equality. That reform was more successful and quicker because they all agreed things need to change - men and women both. With the caveat that yes, I'm aware there are still problems with race in the US, especially certain areas.