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I tried to find the report with recommendations on how to handle this hate-fest that was supposed to be completed in June. https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/levy-city-bureaucrats-dither-on-hate-rally-report I also agree with this statement from the writer:

And some support it in the name of multiculturalism and tolerance. Playing with fire and insisting that everyone else play with it too.

I see you haven't read any of the links to see what is actually going on at these hate-fests. Once you do that, maybe then come back and comment.

Actually, not just a safe haven. We protect them. We pay them millions of dollars.

http://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/city-toronto-study-stop-hate-rallies So when they were refused a permit last year, they just went ahead and did it anyways. Without the permit, they are not allowed on city property. But they went ahead and did it anyways. And the kicker: Canada is not sure what to do about hate groups who repeatedly break the law. They apparently need to study it further. Canada has become a safe haven for Islamists.

Sorry, eye, but I'm going to give you an "F" on this definition of antisemitism. Here's the real one: an·ti-Se·mit·ic /ˌan(t)ēsəˈmidik,ˌanˌtīsəˈmidik/ adjective adjective: antisemitic hostile to or prejudiced against Jews. "anti-Semitic remarks were posted on the site"

These rallies are being protested by non-Muslims because the chant "Death to Jews" is frequently heard, speakers advise killing Jews, flags of terrorist organizations are flown. That is antisemitism to the rest of us. What's your definition?

It's not just held in Toronto. They are held all across Canada and the world. I believe I witnessed one in Fort Mac. Interesting that this is a made-up Islamic holiday, only existing since 1979.

"Each generation doubtless feels called upon to reform the world. Mine knows that it will not reform it, but its task is perhaps even greater. It consists in preventing the world from destroying itself. Heir to a corrupt history, in which are mingled fallen revolutions, technology gone mad, dead gods, and worn-out ideologies, where mediocre powers can destroy all yet no longer know how to convince, where intelligence has debased itself to become the servant of hatred and oppression, this generation starting from its own negations has had to re-establish, both within and without, a little of that which constitutes the dignity of life and death. In a world threatened by disintegration, in which our grand inquisitors run the risk of establishing forever the kingdom of death, it knows that it should, in an insane race against the clock, restore among the nations a peace that is not servitude, reconcile anew labour and culture, and remake with all men the Ark of the Covenant. It is not certain that this generation will ever be able to accomplish this immense task, but already it is rising everywhere in the world to the double challenge of truth and liberty and, if necessary, knows how to die for it without hate. Wherever it is found, it deserves to be saluted and encouraged, particularly where it is sacrificing itself. In any event, certain of your complete approval, it is to this generation that I should like to pass on the honour that you have just given me." ~Albert Camus' speech at the Nobel Banquet at the City Hall in Stockholm, December 10, 1957

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It's not about focusing on one or the other. It's the ones making the bad choices that are the ones we have to deal with. And as long as the Koran offers the choice - there will be ones who choose the bad one. My frustration (and Dog's too, I suppose) is that the book offers the choice to its followers and presents them both as legitimate by rewarding either choice.

Maybe let all the other Muslims know that Dog's interpretation is incorrect. The Ahmadiyaa Muslims ( also Kurds, Sufis, Rohingya, etc) are frequently massacred by their fellow for Muslims for not being true Muslims. It seems to me that it's the Koran that offers people the choice. I have a problem with that.

I'm not disagreeing with you.

Religion is not the only way to find purpose, meaning and happiness in life. Find purpose within life - having good relationships with other people, within our work, within the groups to which we belong.

Now you're messing with a parent's "right" to teach their children their own religion, and no politician wants to touch that with a 10 foot pole. Religion in the West is losing its hold on people. I hope the current rise of fundamentalist Christians and Muslim extremists is indicative of the death throes of religion.

Of course he is. He invented all the different languages at the Tower of Babel. I was always taught that mankind's original language was Hebrew. I have no idea if that's true or not and have never cared enough to research it.

I've read enough about the histories of religions to know when Dog is putting history into his own words and when he's merely giving his thoughts and/or opinions on how it all played out. But thanks for the warning. We all have our agendas.

This is why I don't take parenting advice from someone who felt they had to drown all their children.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-islam-reformers-vs-the-muslim-zealots/2015/03/27/acf6de6c-d3ed-11e4-ab77-9646eea6a4c7_story.html?utm_term=.67b09ad7414d This is a good analysis of difference between supporting reform in Islam and apologizing for Islam. When apologists say that the West, poverty etc (anything BUT Islamic doctrine) is responsible for Islamic terror, reformers view that as a simplistic excuse: Apologists who label anyone concerned about Islamic terrorism as "Islamophobes" and "racists" and "xenophobes" are mistaken that they pose no threat to Western democracy and it is clearly used as an apologist tactic to shut down discussion, which only helps the extremists: Apologists like to spout cliches about "moderate" Muslims and "Islam is the religion of Peace" and this is no way helps reformers and true moderates: In short, apologists are recognized by: Blaming the West for everything that goes on in Islam Touting the extremist party lines of "Islam is peace" and it's only a tiny miniscule minority of trouble-makers Labelling people "Islamophobes, racists and xenophobes" if they want to discuss the need for reform in Islam.

Most of the differences between Christian denominations involve doctrinal things. As a JW Christian, we did not believe in the Trinity and were taught that Christians who believed in it, were false. At some point, I concluded that if God wanted to destroy me because I was unclear about the nature of spiritual bodies (Is he 3 gods in one? Is he 1 god? How many personalities does this guy have?) he could go right ahead. It should not be a debate in a religion whether it is right to kill non-believers or not, as it is in Islam. That's just my opinion and how I appraise any religion.

Cog Diss must be very difficult for Muslims to navigate. On the one hand they are taught that to be a good Muslim they must emulate Mohammed as a perfect human. On the other hand, his example is one of violent and barbaric intolerance for others, that naturally goes against most people's humanity. They can't just walk away and live according to what they interpret to be right, nor can they be vocal about this without incurring the wrath of the Muslim community and often their families. We had a few Muslims show up on the JW recovery board (also some Mormons and various others). We could help Mormons and such - they knew they would lose their families and be shunned by leaving the religion. Muslims who wanted to leave were afraid for their lives and we had to direct them to go to the police for protection. We had board meetings about it where we decided that, not being professionals, we were not in a position to help Muslims as much as we could others and felt the best thing (even legally) was to direct them to support more suited to their needs.

Hirsi Ali also divides Muslims into two groups - Medina Muslims and Mecca Muslims.

It's a lovely interpretation and there are many Muslims who follow your interpretation. In reality, you prove Dog's point - that the violent verses and directives in the Koran must be ignored by Muslims in order for it to be a peaceful Islam. They must ignore the directive to emulate Mohammed. There are also many Muslims who do not share your interpretation of "The People of the Book". And it seems that many, even here in Canada, are not being taught your interpretation of the Koran, as evidenced by the Jew-hating Al Qud festivals held across Canada (and the world) every year since 1979, which are well-supported by Muslims. How do you rationalize those two realities? http://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/toronto-al-quds-day-rally-will-go-ahead-despite-efforts-to-stop-it http://www.jdl-canada.com/tag/al-quds-day/ https://www.therebel.media/top_10_toronto_al_quds_day_hezbollah_flags_calls_for_eradication_of_israelis Also, how do non-Muslims trust your interpretation is the right one, while witnessing these hate-fests against the very "People of the Book" that they claim to respect? Do we believe what they SAY, or do be believe their ACTIONS?

The latest research I've found shows that the more punitive and vengeful a religion is, the more likelihood of it causing mental illness: https://campuspress.yale.edu/perspective/religion-and-mental-health-the-connection-between-faith-and-delusion/

I like to think that humanity overcomes religious directives at some point for most people. Breaking point would be different for different people - I left my church when they directed me to have nothing to do with my children. I have a scar from my encounter.