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I don't own a gun. What I find offensive about McGuinty is there is a grocery list of things him and his government are doing to make this province a worse place to live and he's been pretty tight-lipped about everything. But this happens and he's Mr. Gun Control. He wants to Feds to ban hand guns. Where is his leadership on: - The Mississauga Powerplant and the $190 million it'll cost Ontarios - The ORNGE issue and how much did the province know, - The fact the Green Energy plan is turning into a boondoggle and will end up hurting Ontarians, not helping us - The fact that in a month teachers unions are going to take a Strike vote, and only one board has cut a deal. - The fact the OMA is taking them to court, - The fact 10's of thousands of people stand to lose their jobs because of the greed and shortsightedness of the OLG. - Or the fact that this province is mired in a $15 billion deficit because this government spent money like they'd won the lottery and now that times are bit leaner they want to play tough guy. With all that, Gun control, an issue McGuinty has no control over is what he wants to concern himself with.

Who here thinks that if anyone was worthy of the Death Penalty, it'd be this guy? Or is there some mental health issue that has to be at play for someone to do something like this?

There are Baby Sitting services? What happened to the days of hiring local teenagers?

Well in the US, when the opposition is trying to take your guns away. Any distraction is appropriate. . . I suppose. For them anyway.

Well of course it's horrible parenting, but who cares because shooting 70 people is a lot worse than not getting a sitter.

Wasn't there a talking point that the camp that The Norway shooter took down was similar to a Nazi Youth Camp.

Well the kids being in the theatre seems to be a talking point now.

I'm not going to bother reading the previous 12 pages of this thread. Has anyone questioned why an infant and a toddler were at a Midnight screening of a Batman movie?

Again I support any effort to deal with illegal guns by law enforcement. But when you have an undefended border, it's very difficult to stop people from smuggling across the border. But of course that's not what people like are incompetent Premier want to do. They want to create a whole knew level of criminal by making all hand guns illegal. Of course doing that won't stop illegal gun owners from shooting other people but it makes people feel good I suppose. BTW your solution involves a mandatory minimum. Something people on the left rage against. Make guns illegal but don't make the penalty that harsh because it'll ruin people's lives.

Well I think you're looking through this issue with some rose-coloured glasses. So we legalize meth, cocaine, heroine and suddenly these people will stop selling drugs and go community college or go and get trained in something more useful to society? It may happen but I'm rather skeptical that people will allow the government to profit off the selling of illicit drugs instead of them. We've seen with the illegal trade of tobacco that legalizing something doesn't stop a black market for the products involved. I also think a majority of society would have problems with government-sanctioned cocaine sales. But that's just me. I don't think even countries that have legalized weed have gone that far. Also, I don't recall a scourge of gun crime in Canada caused by "legal gun owners" there are examples but the vast majority of gun crime we see, especially in large cities like Toronto, are caused by people carrying illegal guns. Now that's not the case in the United States. Carrying handgun is enshrined in their constitution and even the Great Barack Obama is scared of taking on the gun lobby. You can't honestly compare the shooting at Danzig in Toronto and the Dark Knight shooting, there were completely different.

I can't defend why a person would need a hand gun. People collect them, people go target shooting. Those might not be good reasons but they aren't the problems regarding shootings like the ones that have been happening in Toronto lately. If you want to have a debate about banning handguns fine. But to be reactionary about it after a shooting where the guns used were, no doubt, illegal is political pandering and not addressing the real problems in any way, shape or form. You're going after people that haven't shot anyone because going after gangbangers with illegal firearms is politically incorrect. We've seen that with the fallout from the mayors comments as to wanting to throw these people out of his city. You think banning hand guns would stop shootings? We've been trying to ban drugs for years and that hasn't worked. People are importing the drugs the same way they've been importing guns. Smuggling across the border, using native reserves as a cover. We know from the Caledonia situation that this Premier has no interest clamping down on the rights of natives.

It's because I have so much contempt for me. It's my nickname for the jerk. I do use his name in the thread's title and his name is in the editorial I posted so it should be obvious who I'm talking about.

All the more hilarious that McDalton is choosing now to become a gun control advocate. Illegal gun and drug problems are fused. The fact that dealing drugs is far more lucrative than "honest" work is a problem. People are going to get guns and drugs here whether it's illegal or not.

Not really you can stop someone for driving erratically before they cause an accident or stop them at a RIDE program. Also the penalties for drunk driving after the fact are more severe than if said accident was caused by carelessness or driver error. There are already significant gun laws that make what happened on Monday illegal making new laws is just misdirection by governments.

This week we found out that moving the power plant is actually going to cost $190 million and the former head of ORNGE said that the government knew everything he was doing. Did McDalton want to comment on that? NO!!!! But there's a shooting and he starts touring Toronto community housing and wants to tell Stephen Harper to ban hang guns nationally. The man is a disgrace.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/07/19/mcguinty-useless-on-gun-crime Yes McDalton because banning handguns would have stopped that shooting Monday. If anyone wants to own a hang gun in Canada they have to jump through hoops to get it registered and they have to carry it around in a locked box. Didn't David Miller ban hand guns in Toronto? did that stop people using illegal hand guns to shoot other people? Why must people react to shootings like this and immediately try to criminalize legal gun owners to score political points? Such a ban would do nothing to stop the type of shootings we've seen in Toronto lately. If they want to do something maybe they should clamp down on the border and prevent people from running guns on Indian reserves. But those solutions aren't PCs, it's much better to go after law-abiding gun owners. This guy finds new ways to piss me off all the time.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/crime/article/1228632--man-shot-to-death-in-north-york-schoolyard Clearly this is Rob Ford's fault.

Perhaps we should have government-funded target shooting lessons.

Fun with Magnets? With a man with half a body walking out of a room and straitening his tie and that whole magnet/evidence room scene, it's clear Breaking Bad isn't exactly concerned with realism. Episode still freakin' pwned. Having Mike back is great! It'll be interesting to see what that address behind Gus's photo in the evidence room reveals about him.

We need a Knife/Sword Registry.

It won't but in Toronto that's their plan of the Left-wing http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/07/06/toronto-council-bullet-ban218.html

You know the solution to that ban legal gun ownership.

Oh so the system does work then.

Do you think they're running guns across the peace bridge? There are plenty of places to cross the border and not have to cross a bridge. How do you think they get the drugs in?

So really, current gun laws aren't doing much to stopping the influx of illegal guns. It doesn't appear to be hard to get illegal firearms across the border.