WestCanMan

Because it’s the Kavanaugh horrible/Biden good group. It’s the group that see a fake Ukrainian scandal and miss a real one. It’s the Russian collusion freaks that didn’t notice the FBI was running a scam. It’s the group that started screaming HCQ is a killer just because Trump said it before Cuomo. It’s the group that watches CNN and gobbles that crap up. We were hanging out with my wife’s cousin yesterday. Her husband watches CNN all the time. He’s irredeemable. But he honestly didn’t even know that Sandman successfully sued them for defamation of character. How the f is that even possible? It’s not every day that an international news corporation is successfully sued by a kid. You’d think it would make “the news” lol. No, I don’t trust anything they say anymore. There’s a chance that something they say will be true but I have to hear it somewhere else first.

Sure, but this all goes back to whether or not this is a pandemic of biblical proportions. It’s not even close.

Really? According to NY stats, only 0.7% of the people who died of covid were known to not have any "pre-existing medical conditions". Undoubtedly some, most or maybe even all of the 0.7% were heavy smokers, drinkers, or drug addicts, they just fall into this category because didn't have diabetes, cancer, heart disease, kidney disease, etc. I don't know how they're unable to say whether or not 25% of the victims had a medical condition. Maybe they're homeless, undocumented, or without any sort of medical coverage? Anyways, there are two groups of people on that list that matter, and that's the two groups that they're certain about. Unknown = not worthy of being included in reliable stats.

I'm not a fan of it. I don't trust the group of people who are saying that a vaccine is the only answer.

@dialamah, Here's the first economist article that came up on my google search: https://www.economist.com/leaders/2019/03/28/lessons-of-the-mueller-report If this isn't utter bullshit I don't know what was. The liberal MSM in the US called him guilty for over two years and he knew that he was innocent that whole time. He wasn't "thriving on grievance", he had a legitimate beef with the media and he still does. CNN was found guilty of defamation of character against a high school student, and their main beef against him was that he was wearing a MAGA hat. CNN is pure shit, and anyone who doesn't fully understand that in 2020 is a complete moron.

Major plagues kill a lot of very healthy people. Covid-19 kills almost 0% of very healthy people. I haven't heard of a healthy 28 yr old dying from covid yet. The Spanish flu killed about 2-3% of the people on earth, and not everyone got it. That means that the infected death rate was much higher than 2-3%. Healthy 28 yr olds were one of the hardest hit groups.

The Economist isn't "unbiased", so your fact checker is wrong. I used to have a subscription to it, now it's garbage. 70-79, 12 yrs left? I don't think so. From the stats that I've read, 88% of the people who end up on ventilators have two or more co-morbidities. Even if you're looking at the 12% who don't have "two" co-morbidities, some have one, and the ones that don't, do not have 12 yrs left on avg. https://www.google.ca/search?source=hp&ei=NdXKXpeRE4nh-gTp35fQAQ&q=avg+life+expectancy+italy&oq=avg+life+expectancy+italy&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIECAAQCjIECAAQCjIECAAQCjIECAAQCjIGCAAQFhAeMggIABAWEAoQHjoCCAA6BQgAEIMBUIgHWP4yYJ41aABwAHgAgAHIAYgB2QySAQYyNC4wLjGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjX_7Lep83pAhWJsJ4KHenvBRoQ4dUDCAw&uact=5 Avg life expectancy in Italy is 83. The avg of 70-79 is 74.5. 74.5 + 12 is 86.5, and that's 3 yrs above the avg life expectancy. Don't forget that most people without a co-morbidity don't usually die from covid either. So a lot of the people who died with 74.5 and had underlying health issues, they weren't expected to make it to 83.

Wrong. The worldwide death toll is at 344,000 right now, we're only 6% of the way to 5M. This is not "biblical proportions". And let's be honest, of the 344,000 that died of coronavirus, probably 300,000 of those people would have died this year anyways. I'm not calling it a cleansing, but I'm definitely saying in no uncertain terms that one "octogenarian with diabetes and heart disease" death is not equal to one "24 yrs old, just got out of college and recently engaged" death. One is normal, one is gut-wrenching and leaves whole families in mourning for decades. Both my grandmas lived to be over 85 yrs old, one lived to 96. They both told me that they were "ready to go" once they were into their '80s. They both had a son that had already died, their husbands were dead for 20 years, their siblings were almost all dead, friends were dead, and they couldn't really relate to the young people in their families. My oldest grandma lived on the prairies without electricity or gas until 1955. She was almost 40 by that time. She had a lot of family and friends die in WWII. She was a great lady, but her life experience was so vastly different from everyone left around her that she had no one left that she could really relate with. I can promise you that at a certain point, people are just ready. This is bad, and it's sad that a lot of people died before they were ready, but this is definitely not of biblical proportions. As an example, 140,000 Japanese died in the great fires of 1923. That's whole families mostly wiped out, including cousins, aunts and uncles, grandparents, babies, teens, toddlers... Some of the people who survived could honestly be thought of as "unlucky". If you were a mom and you lost your sisters, husband, kids, nieces and nephews would you really want to live? If they saw some of them die, or succumb to their injuries after the fire was gone? That's "biblical proportions." This is puppyshit by comparison. Sorry but it just is. I get that we have a responsibility to do the right things to protect the vulnerable now, and I'm happy to wear a mask when necessary to do that, but the current iteration of covid is not comparable with the major plagues any more than the common cold is comparable with stage 4 cancer.

It's widespread, but it's not like the Justinian plague or the black plague. It's highly surviveable.

LMAO. There are lies in it, and fables like "All of our cases came from the US, not China". This is reality, it's not an echo chamber for Liberal platitudes. Dr Tam already fell on her sword to pr0tect Trudeau. She admitted that we should blocked travel earlier and we should have been wearing masks. The gig is up.

No true at all. People could voluntarily self-isolate, they were only required to self-isolate if they had symptoms. That was the case right up until March 16th. The only mandatory quarantines, across the board, were for people coming into Canada after March 16th, so it basically only applied to Canadians. Pretty much everyone chose not to. It's not JT's fault that they followed basic human nature, but it's JT's fault that they were allowed to come in the first place. He was virtue-signalling again when Canadian lives were at risk. 6,000 Canadians died because of it. Liar. There's absolutely no proof of that whatsoever, and it's a completely stupid notion to begin with. We had people from the world's foremost covid hotspots like China, Italy, Spain, France and everywhere else flying in, unscreened, and free to roam anywhere in the country. I can't emphasize strongly enough how unfounded and utterly stupid this comment is. Again, this is just stupidity. It's well known across all of North America that Roxham Rd is the "home free" line, because our PM broadcasted that to the world. When the PM of a country tells foreigners that they can just waltz in, people who want to do that will do that. Your complete lack of understanding of the world and people is on display here. Totally makes sense. The stuff was good enough to use in January, but by February it was all complete garbage. (just kidding, that was dumb AF)

Step away from the ledge!

I used to wonder how people got so sucked in that they could follow the Nazis, but now that I see how they blindly follow the Nanzis it all makes perfect sense. They can't be reasoned with. They want to believe the Nanzis so badly that they gained the ability to block out any facts that don't support their narrative. Probably the worst was when they blamed the Pulse Nightclub shootings on gun laws and Republicans. Illegal guns, and a guy yelling the muslim terrorist anthem, but that's somehow all on the GOP lol.

They know that their only defence is a hyped-up offence. As soon as they're accused of something which they know they're guilty of, they do a full-court press on Trump to distract the information away from the actual crime. "YOU'RE IGNORING TRUMP'S HUGE CRIME! YOU'RE A DUMMY!!!!!" "BIDEN WAS ALREADY INVESTIGATED BY THE DEMS!!!! THEY SAID HE'S CLEAN!" "BIDEN AND HIS SON BOTH SAID THAT THEY'RE INNOCENT!!! WHAT MORE COULD YOU POSSIBLY NEED!" "WHO CARES ABOUT THOSE FACTS???? ON CNN THEY DON'T EVEN TALK ABOUT THAT STUFF BECAUSE IT'S UNIMPORTANT!!!"

There's no difference between saying "Black people like fried chicken, and black people aways vote Dem" imo. They're both stupid, they both make the assumption that all black people are entirely unable to make their own choices or think for themselves. It's the kind of thing that proves that Biden is inherently a bigot, he just doesn't understand what it is about his beliefs that makes him one.

Cite?

There's no excuse for that level of stupidity coming out of a University that's right in Manhattan. They should be well aware of all the bad advice they got from their Mayor, public health official and governor. One of the biggest contributors to the covid death toll in the US was Cuomo's decision to put 4,300 recovering covid patients back in the care homes. Was this an effort in euthanasia? https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/ap-count-4300-virus-patients-ny-nursing-homes-70825470 If NY State care homes were a country of their own they'd be a world leader (13th) in covid deaths but that doesn't include care home residents who were sent to hospitals and died there. https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/new-york-state-coronavirus-deaths-nursing-homes-update-20200505.html There were 4,813 between March 1 and May 5, that's more than China (unless they're lying, which is highly likely), and I can't emphasize strongly enough that the number would be much greater if it included the deaths of care home residents who passed away after they were sent to the hospital. They could be as high as 5th. There's no way of knowing right now. Trump shut down travel from China when there were just a few covid cases in the US and he started shutting down the country when there were less than 100 deaths. You can't say that he under-reacted. Those were big steps. The bottom line is that with the benefit of hindsight, we can clearly see that the number of covid deaths is inversely proportional with how quickly each country banned travel and how many of their citizens wore masks. Countries that banned travel from covid hotspots and told their citizens to wear masks absolutely smashed covid. Countries that didn't do those things were hammered by covid. Canada was the worst of the worst on those two topics. If you found an actuary, virologist or even just a grade ten math teacher somehwere in the world who didn't have a clue what Canada's death toll was, and you told them that Canada didn't ban travel and that they told their citizens not to wear masks, and that we didn't start talking about social distancing until March 16th every single one of those people would be able to predict Canada's lofty position on the death toll charts Canada has a massive death toll considering that we have universal health care, a low population and even lower population density. We should be approximately 50th to 80th based on the population numbers alone. There's absolutely no room left for debate on the issue of whether or not our government failed, or even how badly they failed. They ran the ball into their own end zone and left it on the ground for team covid to pick up.

This is just stupidity, or trolling, it’s not worthy of comment either way. If you haven’t noticed Trudeau’s dictatorial tendencies then there’s something wrong with you. Buying the MSM and instituting government regulation of social media were just a start for that piece of crap.

It’s pretty bad when Trump is smart enough to figure out that he needed to block travel from China and our entire government, plus our scientific and medical communities weren’t even smart enough to follow suit. Dr Tam finally admitted that we should’ve close the borders earlier but it’s of little consequence now to all the people whose family members died as a result of her blatant stupidity. We all knew Trudeau was that stupid, we needed Dr Tam to step up.

LMAO, too true. Although I have had my "moments" with scientific and mortgage calculators.

Just under 60% of eligible voters usually vote federally in the US. If half of those people vote for Biden, and half of them vote for Trump (as with almost every normal election) there will still be enough unused votes left from eligible voters to get someone else elected. Sure, you could check on every single American to see if they voted twice, and if you find out that 20M people voted twice what do you do with that info? Which of their votes do you discount? How do you find out exactly who committed the crime? What percent of the people who commit this crime will likely get caught? I didn't say that it would be super easy for the average Joe to do this, but it could be doable. It's much more doable than appearing in person with valid gov't-issued id a hundred times. It's also easier to catch a person showing up in person, and they'd have committed the crime of creating fake ID, and identity theft as well. Just to submit ONE extra vote. Worth it? I think not. Ask yourself this: would the party who created the fake dossier and gotten the FBI slimesters to conduct a fake investigation for 3 years create a few thousand fake mail-in votes in swing states to try to cheat to win an election? Hint - the correct answer is of course they would. If they caught EVERY SINGLE PERSON who ever committed voter fraud you'd have a point. With the system of showing up and voting, certain types of fraud are really hard. With mail-in voting, mass fraud is easy. By coincidence, I've already dropped off 6,300 pieces of mail today and it's 12:35 here in BC. What if someone hacks into the computer that generates mail-in ballots and copies the format for generating QR codes? What if someone leaks it to their Bernie Bros, their brilliant Trump supporter friends, or their bumbling Biden buddies?

Well, to be honest, if you know how to interpret that graph, and what it truly means, it's basically just a colorful nothing as far as this topic is concerned. I could compare Greenland to Canada on a graph too. It would be equally worthless. We're far enough along the curve to know what's up right now dialamah. We've come to the stage where our preparedness and early actions have resulted in a certain "order of magnitude" of casualties and deaths. We have set the course for the future, based on how widely the virus managed to spread in our various countries. Canada got covid spread far and wide. That's no small task with 10M sq km to cover.

The comparison to the US really works for some people here because it's a totally misleading comparison, and that's what people are looking for. A chance to make Trudeau look good by providing a comp that is totally misleading. The countries are the same size, geographically close, the culture is similar, so on the surface the comp looks valid. A quick look at the NY metropolitan area vs Canada blows that theory out of the water though, so people here choose to ignore it.

Sidearms actually are a popular line of defence against bears. You can get a permit to carry a handgun around if you work up north and hike a long way like a geologist, etc. In that type of situation you don't necessarily want to carry a big rifle with you all day, knowing that you'll almost never need it. It's much easier to strap on a big-bore pistol, and they're closer to hand. Are they particularly useful? Tough to say. I haven't heard a lot of stories of pistols not working, or actually working. I get that a bear could fight his way through a .44 if they wanted to, but wild animals don't get to run to a Dr after they get hurt, so they don't typically take any more damage than they have to. That's why an animal like a mountain lion, which could easily kill a human, prefers to hunt and kill smaller things like rabbits, or animals like fawns or does with no serious defensive physical accoutrements. The way I look at it, wrestling bear cubs even though you're packing a .44 would almost certainly get you killed, but if you're walking across an open field and a bear becomes interested in you as prey, and you fire a .44 past them, they will probably figure out what's best for them.

There are voting scandals in the US every election year. Over 1,200 PROVEN cases, and they certainly don't catch 100%. There's not much chance that they catch 50%, there's a good chance that it's lower than 10%, it could be as low as 1/100,000 for all we know. There are a lot of people counting ballots who have a very strong bias and very low morals. The whole point of this election exercise isn't to continually make it easier and easier to cheat.