WestCanMan

With all the knowledge that we have about the universe it's hard to understand how anyone can believe in any creation-based religion unless they were duped, brainwashed and/or forced to follow it from birth, but I don't like to be the guy to tell a person that there's no Santa Claus. Especially when they will kill you for it.

I was going to come on here and respond to the rest of your post but now that I read it I find that it's mostly just personal attacks against me, even to the point of you being a fear monger. You shouldn't cause fear without good reason and all I did was enlighten people to things that you'd rather they didn't know. Thank you for openly admitting that I was correct in my assertion that the Israelis have a national holiday to honour a terrorist. That's obviously a huge black mark on their international reputation to anyone who is in the know. I also think it's important to understand that the word "terrorist" isn't synonymous with "muslim". Too many people are engaged in the debate about the middle east without that knowledge. FWIW I don't hate jews at all, I hate the trouble in the middle east and that we are being conditioned to take a firm stance on what's going on over there at the same time as we are being mislead as to exactly what's going on over there. I have seen jewish people speak against the actions of the Israeli state and I have the utmost respect for people who can see their own faults. I hope that the jews get their share of the holy land and that they are able to live in peace with their neighbours there forever. I don't think that they are on the right track and I think that we are guilty of supporting them with too blind an eye to all the things they do. No need for you to snitch me out to csis or the cia for that last sentence, I already sent an email saying that exact thing to my elected mp so I'm already red-flagged for life.

I respect that you are actually engaging in this topic with some actual facts, but don't throw down the anti-Semitism card on me Rue. The Likud party is run by terrorists and the Israeli people have national holidays to honour their actions - a rose by any other name. In the context of this debate, Israelis were the first terrorists. We all know that nothing to do with war or war crimes has been invented in the last 70 years, but right now popular opinion is that Muslims are the only terrorsists to ever walk the earth. I'm jere to attack that theory, not Jews in particular. Do you think that Israelis are beyond reproach? Im out of time, back l8r

IMO terrorists should get the death penalty regardless of where they are from, no need to discriminate or to waste money building, maintaining and manning remote prisons. I don't think that it's nearly that simple. The western bibles give just as much license to discriminate and kill as the quran does. If the old testament was invented today it would be classified as hate literature and would not be allowed to be published here in Canada. It's grandfathered in just like the quran. There's ample room for a follower of Islam or Judeo-Christianity to believe that their religious obligation is to kill each other (and you're unaware of your history if you think that there's never been reason for decent, non-muslim people to fear large groups of J-C's - reasons like genocide for example). The place where those two tectonic plates meet brings out the worst in humanity. We honestly need to think about what's going on in that part of the world right now that makes so many people slither towards the dark side of their religion. What could both sides do to make it better? There's some room on the sunny side but it has less traction. That's step one and almost noone is there because both sides have too many good reasons to blame the other. It's doubtful that people can get there in time to stave off conflict on a greater scale than what we have known in our lifetime. Religion and common sense are not exactly birds of a feather, but religion is stronger than atheism so here we are in a world where humans kill themselves along with other humans for the satisfaction of their imaginary friends. The day will probably come when it becomes prudent for me or my descendants to pretend to believe in a higher power, but it's not today. I'm not a part of that war and I don't want to import it to Canada.

Notca I'm guessing that the writing contained above is yours, and that you just made a mistake by adding your comments in the wrong area when you quoted the earlier post... If that's the case then you're not a racist, you're a realist. The bleeding hearts of the world can say "let them thru the doors as fast as you can" but the people manning the gate have a daunting task ahead of them that the BH's can't fathom. Noone wants to be the guy who stamped the passport of a person who went on to take the lives of innocent Canadian men, women and children. Once the new wave of refugees arrives there's 10 Million square kilometres of Canada to protect from the enemy within (but don't even think of tapping their cellphones or monitoring their emails). Syria/the middle east is a troublesome area and it's completely naive for Canadians to assume that we can hastily bring in 25,000 refugees from such a place without bringing in a single member of a dangerous faction. They don't grow up fat and happy like us over there, they all grew up in an area where people of all religions openly hate each other and most of them have lost loved ones to "the other side". The other side is anyone from shiite, sunni, christian, jew... you name it. I'd love to help out all the people who truly respect human life and take no part in the religious hatred. I just don't know how to pick them out of a crowd. I especially don't know how to hastily pick them out of a crowd, and if you could name them by name how can you be sure that the names on the passports belong to the faces crossing our border? Everyone who wants to come over here has an agenda and you can't tell what it is by how close their eyes are together. Trudeau was just capitalizing on the wave of sentiment, and making good use of the fact that as the leader of the opposition he didn't need to worry about actually doing anything at the time he was making the promises. His next step will be to blame "the bureaucracy and hateful folks" that were put in place by the Harper Gov't for delaying the flow of refugees. Soon enough reports will be coming in from Europe about the problems that they are facing from their new immigrant populations and there will be lowered expectations. A new zeitgeist will emerge and the next leader of the opposition will pretend that they have a magic wand to solve the situation while the PM will be stuck dealing with reality. At least I hope that's the case. If Trudeau is as smart as most voters seem to think then he won't push his agenda fwd at the stated rate. There are many wiser, safer options. I don't know why the idea of a UN safe haven never got any traction. Most of the refugees theoretically want to stay in/go back to Syria.

So the above post contains just one recent example of an "anti-Israeli screed". Over the past 7 decades there have been several, but the western media sees the world thru judao-christian coloured goggles. This story from a western perspective would be summed up as "Israel retaliated, evened the score, bad people dead, HALLELUJAH!" The UN has had more resolutions against Israel than any other country in it's entire history. Amnesty International isn't a fan of the Israelis either. But you can call me a hater who's viewpoint is governed by really bad radicals if it floats your boat. If you looked at the world through the eyes of an atheist, or a true neutral, with concern for people regardless of their religion, skin colour or cultural background you would have an entirely different opinion. The lives of Palestinian children would matter to you. The access that they have to education and health care would matter. Their job opportunities. Just pretend they aren't muslims and you can do it. I'm not asking you to hate Israelis. I'm just informing you that they invented terrorism in the middle east, and they venerate their terrorists, the likud party was born and bred as terrorists (and that's something that you can just google) so don't be fooled into believing that they are angels. Allow that to sink in and to wear away at your belief that this is strictly a good vs evil issue. Both sides need to own up to their share of blame. Truth is that 66 years after the inception of the country of Israel their citizens have nowhere to go. They need to stay where they are, just like the caucasians and asians who were born and raised in this country can't just vacate it and leave it to the first nations people. You can't put the toothpaste into the tube and there's noone on earth who still lives within 20 km of their forefathers if you go back far enough. But the bottom line is that the Israelis simply aren't good enough as human beings to earn the loyalty and devotion that we have shown them. They need to be better. They need to stop their quest for "lebensraum", they need to think more along the lines of the golden rule and less of the first commandment (which is basically a license to discriminate against those who honour another god). I'm ok with this country supporting them, but not in the high-handed manner in which they have been acting since I was born.

I wish I could say that you were wrong in some way, but you nailed it.

I don't think it's a matter of stripping their citizenship and sending them off to another country without going to jail. They stay in jail for 30 years and leave the country the day they get out.

In order for Trudeau to change the essence of our democracy I'm pretty sure he will need more than a simple majority vote in the HOC. Common sense dictates that would up over 66%, maybe 75 or 80%. It's not happening, /story.

Call the cops and say I saw some people in BC smoking weed. Bring 500,000 sets of handcuffs.

There are about 100,000 police working every minute of every day in north america (that's a straight up guess), the number of "incidents" is extremely rare when you consider the element of society that they spend the majority of their time dealing with. Just remember when you see CNN or Fox news reporting on an incident that they have a choice to make: 1) do they report the facts in a the most accurate manner possible 2) do they report the facts in the most profitable manner possible? The difference is worth about $100M to them. The first time I saw the Ferguson shooting on tv I was given the impression that a cop just started randomly shooting at some African Americans from his cruiser and killed an innocent "gentle giant" teenager. Then the violent robbery was shown on tv, and angry citizens dismissed it as "not relevant". If that incident was reported in a more responsible manner from the beginning it would have had an entirely different outcome and the american MSM would be out million$. You didn't save a future victim from police brutality, you just did your part to keep a real victim from getting justice and to help a criminal remain at large. GJ eyeball

I was wrong for the first time in my life again.

Oh, lol. my bad

I hate throwing down the small sample size argument but really, 8 crimes? lmao, that's as bad as "I know a guy...".

Oh I bet you don't, and yes I was absolutely bang-on re: the comment about US Presidents. Obama did it propmtly within his first week as prez. They all do. You'll see another one do it in January if you pay attention. 90% of the people I talk to about the "blessed Israelies" have no idea that the country is only 66 years old or that the Likud party was founded as a terrorist organization. If you can't imagine Hamas or Hezbollah ever being considered legitimate political parties then you shouldn't just cater to the likud-led Israelis or their modus operandi either. They have national holidays honouring actual war criminals. The only way that anyone can ever justify even a portion of what the Israelis have done over there is "as retaliation", but for what? The holocaust? That was Hitler and Germany, not the Palestinians (ironically the current israeli prez Ben N just accused a Palestinian of giving Hitler the idea to kill all the jews about a week ago). Jews were allowed to purchase land and live in Palestine before WWII and the Palestinians were far better hosts than the Israelis are. The palestinians should actually be the ones to cry "retaliation" but they are just muslims in the eyes of most canadians, and that means somewhat less than human. It's pummelled into your conscious and sub-conscious mind by our hyper-biased media. FWIW if the fate of the Jews is a big deal to you then you could just as easily be pissed off at Canada and the US for turning their noses up at the refugees from the end of WWII. I don't condone the actions of terrorists or mainstream Israelis, but I also don't pretend to have the answers. I grew up fat and happy like all canadians do and the complications of the life they all face is far beyond anything that I ever want to experience. But I have approximately the same stance re: Israel as Amnesty Int'l does. Call their credibility into question if you like. I don't really give a rip.

It's ridiculous for someone to even argue that a person should get to keep their canadian citizenship no matter what they do. A huge part of the "contract" between a citizenship applicant and the Canadian Gov't/people is the written or implied understanding "I'm not here to massacre Canadians". I doubt that anyone would argue that. A question for the people who are in favour of keeping these guys around: Should we have a time limit for them to be here before they can commit acts of terrorism or murder without losing their citizenshiip? IE can they kill everyone present at their swearing-in ceremony the second they dot their last i and cross their last t, or do they have to wait a couple weeks to commit attrocities? I really need a better of understanding of just exactly what people want here.

This comment in no way undermines all the content contained in the information and links provided TB. You might as well try to soak up the water from a burst fire hydrant with two squares of toilet paper. What do you make of this TB? Remember that noone is allowed to run for election in the federal Liberal party unless they are pro-choice (re: abortion). Why is pro-terrorism ok?

kind of ironic that the media would complain about ugly politics after three years of focusing on $90k-gate. If on of Trudeau's underlings is up to anything shady that costs Canadians less than $200k I hope we don't find out about it. I'd honestly rather see parliament focus on the future, or even the present.

The argument that women are being forced to stay in a relationship just to stay here is a joke when you consider that the theory behind them marrying a Canadian is because they want to be with that person, rather than just to get across the border. If their new spouse is beating them then they should be happier to go back to their native country than stay in a place where they have lived for less than 10% of their lives.

Everything is "political" to some degree despite whether the person saying it really believes it or not. And fwiw, his job is to do what the public wants him to do, so politicking isn't always a bad thing. It's only bad when you're promising things that you know you can't or won't deliver to get votes, or when you ban an opinion from your whole party.I think what you mean to say is "Do we think Harper truly cares about the niqab issue, and would he do anything about it or is he just blowing sunshine?" Of course he would. He's in lock step with the stalinesque Israelis. It's his worst quality but I doubt he has a choice. The first thing that every president-elect does is swear his undying support of Israel.

Theres a big difference between immigrants with money pumping up the economy and immigrants going straight to the welfare system and draining it. I find it really ironic that you just called someone fundamentally ignorant after all the ludicrous things you just said.

Theres nothing wrong with being anti-immigrant when the migrants are predominantly from an area with one of the major problem religions of the world, ie Muslim or Jewish. It's not just a theory that all those guys put their imaginary friends well ahead of living breathing human beings and that's going back long before 1949. Let them all sort their nasty business over there before they apply to get in here. I'm happy to take in any other religion, or to wait another 2,000 years or so.

Just like Mulcair, Trudeau sees himself as positive, and an optimist. I swear that Mulcair would have used nukes on someone if he had them and Trudeau is more of a geeky whiner. It will be interesting to see a different side of Trudeau.

Trudeau looks high. Someone tell him weed isn't legal yet.