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I've heard the gun vs car comparisons many times. Very strong debate style/tactic there!!! WWWTT

Poor immature behaviour on the part of the conservatives! WWWTT

Nope, sorry, Nikki doesn't have to apologize for anything she may accuse another MP of while sitting in the house! The same applies for any MP while sitting. WWWTT

No limitation for a lawsuit. I think Rue makes a good argument. After all, the passenger are in the care of the airline, and I would at least put a huge responsibility on them for safely transporting me from point a to point b. Never showing up to point b is a huge failure! Also the possibility of a huge out of court settlement. Well see what happens. WWWTT

Doesn't matter where you got your info. But I will provide the info for all the members here so that they have the same access . I never suggested any different, only a lawsuit. And yes only if there is a plane wreckage.(but who knows in a lawsuit) But I believe we can both agree that this is a very unusual case, so I'm going to guess that something unpredictable can happen out of this. And ya I don't know what happens to those links that I provided that don't work anymore. I always double check after posting. Some are still good. Any suggestions? WWWTT

Here's the link that the poster above got his info from! http://ri.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEVri4tUVTMR0A7WMXFwx.;_ylu=X3oDMTByMG04Z2o2BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw--/RV=2/RE=1397106233/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fwww.citizensinformation.ie%2fen%2ftravel_and_recreation%2fair_travel%2fairline_liability.html/RK=0/RS=F7vWiXdct53dTONyaO6eAZl_laI- This is from the link: There is no financial limit on the liability of an EU airline for damages sustained by you in the event of death, wounding or any other bodily injury Now apparently as we can see from the link that the laws from country to country vary and any country signatory to the Montreal convention have the same rules as any EU airline. I find it insulting to the intelligence of the members here to just tell just dictate, rest assured, I'll provide the link where I got my info from, so that you have access to the same info as I do and you can make your own decision! WWWTT

Here's the link because I didn't believe it!!!!! http://on.thestar.com/PPvI25 Also, one of the actors from the now cancelled show Trailer Park Boys (but I think there's a third movie just released) is also on his campaign team???? They must be doing this for some kind of publicity or air time. Anyways, the best of luck to Rob Ford retirement this fall. WWWTT

I'm curious as to how China will react or what kind of actions this case will result in! I can see them using this case to beef up their military/surveillance defence perimeters etc. WWWTT

Good points here! Since it was a Boeing plane, I would imagine it will be impossible for them to stay out of any kind of court action. WWWTT

I think Rue's comment is a good starting point here! Air Malaysia is going to be on the hook for a lot! I wouldn't be surprised if the lawsuit and payout breaks a world record from this incident. I would hope that Air Malaysia right now would be footing the bill for the expenses incurred by family members staying in hotels, meals, and flights back and forth. But I don't know? We're past 1 month now, so I guess it would be safe to assume that there will be no wreckage turning up. But again, I'm just guessing because it seems that any new lead that turns up as time passes has a thinner chance of materializing. I still hope that all on board are safe and healthy!!!!! WWWTT

Ya that's a bit of a stretch here I think. But towards the end of the article this part jumped out and spoke to me: The two would also talk politics, though it could get heated, she said. Other than that, the article was hard to read, to graphic! WWWTT

Ya I don't think there's anything that could have been expected here in this case. I don't recall hearing about a search moving around like that before. It's too bad bush_cheney isn't contributing to this thread anymore because he had some good links! WWWTT

Yes from what I have seen I have to agree with you. However, in my opinion, it would be easier to successfully hide a plane than a destroyed plane just laying out there some where (probably broken up, but some of it should still be intact) never being found. And together with the facts of what happened seem to be very difficult to imagine happening. How/why did this plane turn off course, lose transponder signal and absolutely no communication, fly over known tracked air space without being detected, then continue flying from any where from 5 to 7 hours????? What gets me is that there is no explanation or theory other than a fire that can somehow disable the entire crew, and then the plane continues flying till it runs out of gas. And that still doesn't explain the plane backtracking over scanned air space without being detected! This explanation troubles me because it shows that authorities don't seem to understand what happened, not re assuring! Can only wait and see what happens I guess WWWTT

Actually, the search has moved several times and many thousands of km. WWWTT

But nothing on safety other than "when the plane is in danger, the pilot will want to land the plane"! Can't get any more technical than that! Until I started asking for links, these alleged "Pilot guys" were more interested in discussing "tin foil hat theories". All I'm reading is stuff that I have already read on links that I posted. The best arguments that these alleged pilots have are spelling errors that I make from time to time! WWWTT

You could be right Rue! After all the Ukraine is a democracy. We'll see what happens come their next election. WWWTT

Ya actually I think that would be for the families/friends to decide! We'll just agree to disagree for the time being and see what unfolds. WWWTT

Then how does this fit into your explanation? http://ri.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEVvrqZkRTJBgACBIXFwx.;_ylu=X3oDMTBya3R2ZmV1BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDNARjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw--/RV=2/RE=1397020522/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fwww.faasafety.gov%2ffiles%2fgslac%2flibrary%2fdocuments%2f2011%2fJan%2f49877%2fADIZ%2520TFR%2520Intercepts%2520w%2520answers.pdf/RK=0/RS=NE4P1mDb7MW41KNdGYQB73LTJZM- Here's some pasted out of the link: While approaching and crossing the North American ADIZ, aircraft must have an operational radar transponder and maintain two-way radio contact. (see 14 CFR 99.9 & 99.13) And here's the zinger: Any aircraft flying in these zones without authorization may be identified as a threat and treated as an enemy aircraft, potentially leading to interception by fighter aircraft. And if that wasn't enough: b. Unless otherwise authorized by ATC, no person may operate an aircraft into, within, or across an ADIZ unless that aircraft is equipped with a coded radar beacon transponder and automatic pressure altitude reporting equipment having altitude reporting capability that automatically replies to interrogations by transmitting pressure altitude information in 100-foot increments. (14 CFR 99.13©) However I'm not sure if this is the info that must be sent via the transponder, but I will assume it is: Forward the following information: 1. Aircraft call sign. 2. Number and type of aircraft. 3. Altitude (within ADIZ). 4. True airspeed. 5. Time of departure. 6. Point of departure. 7. Destination. 8. ETA. 9. Remarks: DVFR discrete transponder code; estimated point of penetration of ADIZ (latitude/longitude or fix-radial-distance); estimated time of penetration of ADIZ. Now obviously, this commercial craft was not any where near approaching NORAD controlled space, but it was travelling through the air space of 3 different sovereign nations. And special note that China has had issues in the recent past with expanding it's air defence perimeter (or something like that). WWWTT

Ya I guess it would be cruel to those who believe the plane was destroyed and all on board are dead. WWWTT

Ya so what? All this info is easily available. Here's a couple of examples I found after a couple of minutes. http://ri.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEVjcrY0RTi0EA7jsXFwx.;_ylu=X3oDMTByMG04Z2o2BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw--/RV=2/RE=1397019563/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fwww.avionicslist.com%2farticles%2fhow_transponders_work.php/RK=0/RS=2tjWIIrdbzp36aXNVHDNF.fGKNI- http://ri.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEVjcrY0RTi0EA8TsXFwx.;_ylu=X3oDMTBybnV2cXQwBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMgRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw--/RV=2/RE=1397019563/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fen.wikipedia.org%2fwiki%2fTransponder_%28aviation%29/RK=0/RS=Rft7zFJDAKuX8nCt_TYYrU3d5yQ- Nice try to belittle the importance of a transponder. Lets get back to WHY the transponder was turned OFF in the first place! WWWTT

I heard that about the protests and violence that started this to get the government thrown out, substituted for the nazi party of Ukraine. WWWTT

I suggest we just leave it "we agree to disagree". Because this is just your opinion. WWWTT