Fascism returns to Europe

[ScottSA]

On September 11 of this year, there was a demonstration against Islamification held in Brussels, the seat of the EU. It was small, absolutely peaceful, and multinational...one of the protesters even carried a Canadian flag that I sent. The film that follows was taken there, and shows the wholesale rounding up of demonstrators in scenes eerily reminiscent of another period in Europe's history. It's in Flemish, but it's not necessary to understand the language to see what's going on. "Belgium is a dictorship" looks pretty much the same in any european language.

Just for a bit of background, 10 of the 17 City legislators in Brussels are Muslim. 57% of the new births in Brussels are Muslim. It doesn't take a demographer to see where this is going, and going fast.

Edited correction: There are 47 City legislators in Brussels. The mayor belongs to a party in which 10 of 17 members are Muslim. However, since the ban was a mayoral decree, it is within the sole pervue of the mayor to make it, so obviously the 10/17 is a relevant statistic, and has a large bearing on the ban in question.

Edited September 19, 2007 by ScottSA

[moderateamericain]

On September 11 of this year, there was a demonstration against Islamification held in Brussels, the seat of the EU. It was small, absolutely peaceful, and multinational...one of the protesters even carried a Canadian flag that I sent. The film that follows was taken there, and shows the wholesale rounding up of demonstrators in scenes eerily reminiscent of another period in Europe's history. It's in Flemish, but it's not necessary to understand the language to see what's going on. "Belgium is a dictorship" looks pretty much the same in any european language.

Just for a bit of background, 10 of the 17 City legislators in Brussels are Muslim. 57% of the new births in Brussels are Muslim. It doesn't take a demographer to see where this is going, and going fast.

Isn't life in a Muslim controlled government grand.

[ScottSA]

I'm shocked.

This isn't the first film I've seen of the demonstration. There are a couple of more graphic films showing baton weilding thugs wading into the crowd to get these guys. The "guys" are elected parliamentary officials; one from Italy and two from Belgium. Not to mention the people rounded up afterwards just for being there. Juxtapose this against the "moderate Muslims" demonstrating and holding up signs calling for the death of "infidels" and issuing threats against Europeans (the Swedish artist is now in hiding at the advice of the police). On top of that, Belgium is attempting to make "Islamophobia" illegal. It's crazy.

[White Doors]

that is pretty scary. I'd be moving out of there as soon as they let me out.

crazy.

[ScottSA]

that is pretty scary. I'd be moving out of there as soon as they let me out.

crazy.

There are substantial increases in the number of ethnic Europeans moving to Australia, Canada, and the US. They don't call them "refugees" yet, but it's just a matter of time. It's odd watching an entire civilization commit suicide with it's eyes apparently tightly closed.

[sharkman]

This thread is aptly named. Yet I believe the PC crowd will simply ignore it and cry Islamophobia whenever anyone expresses concern about such happenings.

Islam and China. I never would have thought these two would be the ones to menace the world in the 21st century.

[August1991]

Some context (without the violins):

Police arrested two leaders of a Belgian far-right party Tuesday for staging an illegal protest against the "Islamization of Europe," six years to the day after the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington.

Police scuffled with some of the 200 people who converged on two squares in the EU district of Brussels to protest what they perceived as the rise of Islam as a significant political force across Europe. Officers handcuffed two leaders of the far-right Flemish Interest Party, which is very critical of Muslim immigrants, and took them away in police vans.

The Italian Foreign Ministry said it was protesting the detention of an Italian member of the European Parliament, Mario Borghezio, who attended the demonstration. Borghezio is from the Northern League, an Italian regional party with an anti-immigrant stance.

Italian state TV showed footage of Borghezio yelling as police were taking him away that he is a member of the European Parliament. He was later released.

...

The demonstration was initially planned by Stop Islamization of Europe, a loose alliance with roots in Germany, Britain and Denmark. The group had predicted that 20,000 people would come to Brussels from all over Europe.

Brussels Mayor Freddy Thielemans banned the protest last month, calling SIOE an inflammatory group and its proposed demonstration a threat to public order. An appeals court upheld the ban Aug. 29.

Only 200 or so protesters showed up Tuesday for a protest lasting only 30 minutes. The demonstrators faced more than 100 police, backed up by water cannons and helicopters, who closed off streets around the EU headquarters.

"We support the goals of the demonstration to protest against the lack of freedom of expression in this country," said Frank Vanhecke, the head of the Flemish Interest Party, before he was bundled off to the police station. "And we also we fully agree that the rise of Islam in Europe poses a risk to our values."

IHT

Some Europeans take their politics far too seriously.

Edited September 18, 2007 by August1991

[Leafless]

Just for a bit of background, 10 of the 17 City legislators in Brussels are Muslim. 57% of the new births in Brussels are Muslim. It doesn't take a demographer to see where this is going, and going fast.

There are Canadian cities well on the way being culturally transformed by Muslims similar to Brussels.

Muslims in the city I am living in, are becoming 'TO' common of a sight in professional and many other occupations and with the city dotted with Mosques, for a Canadian Muslim population of 650,000.

It will simply be a matter of time before Muslims acquire the tools necessary to make their presence felt in a manner similar to Brussels.

This is the whole problem with multiculturalism, allowing the takeover of a country by foreign cultures with no one to intervene politically.

The only people to blame for this tragic occurrence are the political asses who will sell their soul to the devil in a cheap manoeuvre to buy time, to save the country from potential collapse, a condition caused by hapless politicians initially.

Canadians are to blame also for allowing politicians to get away with the sellout of Canadian jobs to eager third world foreign candidates.

In the year 2025 Muslims will outnumber Christians.

http://muslim-canada.org/muslimstats.html

[ScottSA]

Some context (without the violins):IHT

Some Europeans take their politics far too seriously.

The "context" you cite is clearly not a true context. I have seen dozens of videos of the demonstration, and as you saw in the video I showed you, the only "scuffling" was by the police. You saw it with your own eyes, and I can supply many more vids showing the same thing. The "context" also fails to mention that the 2 Flemish politicians were in the EU Parliament, and as such had every right to be there. The "context" also fails to mention that Brussels has already apologized to Italy, but not the Flemish, for illegally seizing him.

This should be taken seriously. Why would you not?

[Bonam]

This should be taken seriously. Why would you not?

Cause you're supposed to sit back and relaxe on your couch as your civilization is brought to extinction, of course.

[ScottSA]

Cause you're supposed to sit back and relaxe on your couch as your civilization is brought to extinction, of course.

Oh right. I forgot. In the name of "acceptance," and "tolerance."

[M.Dancer]

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Just for a bit of background, 10 of the 17 City legislators in Brussels are Muslim.

That would be interesting except there are 47 members on council.

http://www.brucity.be/artdet.cfm?id=4049&nLanguage=1

I count 33 with European names. Mind you, 10 of the 17 members of the Parti Socialist are muslims.....

I suspect that god awful site you dredge these numbers up has an agenda that isn't context friendly........

Thielemans is a member of the Parti Socialiste (PS), a Belgian party which caters for the Muslim population. The PS is the largest party in Brussels, holding 17 of the 47 seats in the city council. 10 of the 17 PS-councillors are Muslims. The PS governs Brussels in a coalition with the Christian-Democrats, who have 11 councillors, of whom 2 are Muslims and 3 are immigrants from Sub-Saharan Africa. Only 13 of the 28 councillors in the governing coalition of the city are native Belgians. Thielemans is the most conspicuous of these. He is an atheist who is fond of Muslims, not because he respects religious people, but because he hates Christians. On 2 April 2005 the Brussels mayor was attending an official cocktail party with the mayor of Angoulˆ™me (France), when the news of the death of Pope John Paul II reached him. On hearing the news he ordered "Champagne for everyone!" His French colleague walked out in disgust. Upsetting Catholics has never particularly worried the Socialist mayor of Brussels, for instance when he refused to ban a play (by a Moroccan-born author) which was advertised around the country on posters portraying the Virgin Mary with bare breasts.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/brussels081407.htm

[guyser]

On September 11 of this year, there was a demonstration against Islamification held in Brussels, the seat of the EU. It was small, absolutely peaceful, and multinational...one of the protesters even carried a Canadian flag that I sent. The film that follows was taken there, and shows the wholesale rounding up of demonstrators

Hmmm......

"Police arrested two leaders of a Belgian far-right party Tuesday for staging an illegal protest against the "Islamization of Europe," six years to the day after the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington"

The horror, people actually arrested for doing illegal stuff... oh my god. This world is falling apart.

Oh noes..............

[ScottSA]

That would be interesting except there are 47 members on council.

http://www.brucity.be/artdet.cfm?id=4049&nLanguage=1

I count 33 with European names. Mind you, 10 of the 17 members of the Parti Socialist are muslims.....

I suspect that god awful site you dredge these numbers up has an agenda that isn't context friendly........

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/brussels081407.htm

My bad. 10 out of 17 of the party from which the mayor comes from are Muslim. Since the mayor is the one in control of Brussels, and the one who denied the permit (on the grounds that Muslims may react with violence, I might add), Muslims effectively swayed the decision.

As for it being a "far right" party, it's the largest party in the Flemish region, and it's secessionist, so naturally it's refered to by the MSM as "far right." The Reform Party was also, you'll recall, refered to as "far right" until it became the official opposition in Canada.

[M.Dancer]

57% of the new births in Brussels are Muslim. It doesn't take a demographer to see where this is going, and going fast.

Speaking of context...what's a new birth? Are there old births?

I have to ask again, seeing that the other numbers were, shall we say, worthless, whether this factoid of 57% is equally without value, given that 92% of Belgium is ethnic Flemish or Walloon, how 8% can have 57% of the "new" births.....

[ScottSA]

Speaking of context...what's a new birth? Are there old births?

I have to ask again, seeing that the other numbers were, shall we say, worthless, whether this factoid of 57% is equally without value, given that 92% of Belgium is ethnic Flemish or Walloon, how 8% can have 57% of the "new" births.....

Excuse me for assualting your semantic sensibilities with redundancies, but I'm sure you don't mind that much, since it supplies a red herring. As far as the stats I supplied are concerned, here's Mark Steyn:

"Already, the Mayor of Brussels, Freddy Thielemans, presides over a ruling Socialist Party caucus, ten of whose seventeen members are Muslim.

That's to say, the capital city of the European Union has a Muslim-majority governing party."

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Y...mNlODg1YTU0Mzc=

But it hardly needs to be explained by anyone except a neanderthal, since the mayor made a proclaimation, and the mayor belongs to a party with a majority of Muslims in it.

In terms of the birthrate stats I provided, I may actually have understated the numbers:

"Today, the Muslim birth rate in Europe is three times higher than the non-Muslim one. If current trends continue, the Muslim population of Europe will nearly double by 2015" http://www.brookings.edu/views/op-ed/fello...nar20030301.htm

In terms of the "illegality" of it, here's a bit of an eye opener:

"Like Washington, Brussels hosts hundreds of protest demonstrations each year. During the past six years Freddy Thielemans, the mayor of Brussels, allowed 3,500 demonstrations. He banned only six..." http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:bRpfRG...;cd=7&gl=ca

But you know what Momo? None of that is really all that relevent to what you saw happen there. What you saw was an egrigious violation of everything the west stands for. And you sit here arguing semantics and birthrates.

[Higgly]

Oh my God! A Moslem majority! In Belgium of all places! This democracy thing has just got to stop!

What we need is a really good auto de fe!

[Guest American Woman]

I'm not sure if this is on topic or not, but I think this is an interesting artcle: Muslims assimilate better in U.S. than Europe, poll finds

You'd think that the opposite would be true.

[ScottSA]

Oh my God! A Moslem majority! In Belgium of all places! This democracy thing has just got to stop!

What we need is a really good auto de fe!

No, what we need is to stop importing Muslims, because with them we import Islam.

[Higgly]

No, what we need is to stop importing Muslims, because with them we import Islam.

We? Do you live in Belgium?

[guyser]

No, what we need is to stop importing Muslims, because with them we import Islam.

Should have told your great great granddad in that case. Muslims were counted in the census of 1871.

The first mosque was built in Edmonton in 1938.

In a province the size of BC , there are 52,000 , mainly living in the Vancouver area. (Toronto has 258,000) I guess some would feel threatened by such a huge number of uncivilized hooligans

running around.

I will bet if someone lived more than a half hour outside Van , I doubt they could find one.

Considering that most muslims in BC are of Iranian extract, they are hardly a concern.

And since there are 258,000 in Toronto and there is zero issue with any of them apart from normal incidences , I wonder what worries people have.

30+ million in this country and you worry about half a million? How doyou sleep at night?

[ScottSA]

30+ million in this country and you worry about half a million? How doyou sleep at night?

I don't sleep well, because I know the sheer numbers of fools in this country who seem to think it's not only ok, but an actual virtue to endorse the fascist tendencies of 3rd world barbarians.

[GostHacked]

The only reason you notice the Muslims more is because through the media et al, you are exposed to Muslims and are made aware of them every day. Ever buy a car, then notice everyone else is driving that same car?? Same thing applies here. You are made aware of it, then you notice it. All those Muslim Mosques were probably there for a long time. But only through the media are you taking notice of it.

Thanks for the vid ScottSA.

Reminds me of this video at Montebello in Quebec during the summit/conference on the SPP with Harper, Bush and Calderon.

Cops in the crowd try to instigate the people into rioting. That plan backfired. It was even on CBC.ca that it was revealed that they were in fact cops disguised as protesters. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/20...ice-070822.html

I am glad it backfired. The more wild a crowd gets, the more reason the cops have to apprehend people. Don't give in to the shit, and they have no reason to arrest anyone. Every time this happens, it allows the cops and the powers that be to put more control on us. Eroding any freedom of peaceful assembly you have. Slippery slope, and once you slip......

Don't slip.

[guyser]

I don't sleep well, because I know the sheer numbers of fools in this country who seem to think it's not only ok, but an actual virtue to endorse the fascist tendencies of 3rd world barbarians.

As the great Momo once said..."Alcan stock is rising" Hope your portfolio is strong in Alcan.

The number of fools in this country are the ones who worry all night about a bogeyman that has never given the same worry warts one iota of concern about the bogeymans religion.

Half a million, and then subtract the ones living secular, and then subtract the ones who are in name only Muslim (ya know--like I was raised in a United Church family-dont believe , havent been for 30yrs) and have no ties to the religion , and then subtract all the ones who publicly have renounced Islamic terrorism , and then subtract the ones that are and have been in politics or positions of public power and never brought any religious indoctrination into their position......and lets see, that leaves us with how many....carry the four, divide by 9....

87? Yes, hope you are awake every night worrying about those 87. Tylenol PM sitting on my desk right now, shall I courier over some?

0.05 Muslim (secular or not) per sq kilometer.

Man the gun boats !

Whats truly funny is you like to make fun of "scary scary scary Harper" types.

I dont know.....perhaps the words pot meet kettle are in order?

Edited September 18, 2007 by guyser

[ScottSA]

The only reason you notice the Muslims more is because through the media et al, you are exposed to Muslims and are made aware of them every day. Ever buy a car, then notice everyone else is driving that same car?? Same thing applies here. You are made aware of it, then you notice it. All those Muslim Mosques were probably there for a long time. But only through the media are you taking notice of it.

No, I'm afraid it isn't that simple. The new car I buy doesn't have a tire on the left front rim plotting to explode, while about 50% of the rest of the chassis secretly hopes I die in the wreck. My real beef is with "visible minority" floodgate immigration, because assimilation of minority groups at certain critical masses has proven impossible, and we are well past the critical mass stage in several ethnic groups. At critical mass what appears to happen is ghettoization and the rise of ethnic enclaves.

Muslims are the threat of the moment, I'll agree, and much more a threat in Europe than here, because the vast bulk of European immigration is from Islamic countries. We may even avoid the Islamic problem entirely, save for the almost certain terrorist attacks TO or some other population center will suffer, whereupon the sweetness and light folks like guyser will howl at the government fopr not seeing it coming and saving them, but we have a nightmare brewing in Vancouver.

What, for example, is going to happen when tensions with China arise, in a city in which English is now the first language of less than half the inhabitants?

Guyser, you really aren't making much of a contribution here...you seem completely unaware of the suituation in Europe, and apparently couldn't care less, so why don't you trot off to your psychoanalyst and complain about all the tinfoil heads around you?