Khadr should make us ashamed to be Canadian

[Guest Peeves]

Khadr's enemies seem to want to pick a fight with his supporters. Friggen' well bring it on if that's how you really feel.

I don't know about anyone else but I'm sick to death of suffering these sycophantic sphincters gladly anymore.

Any Canadian should be an enemy of not only Omar, but the entire Khadr family.

BTW, I respect the right to a differing opinion, but not the right to denigrate as above.

Any supporter of Khadr is probably a fundamental hater of the USA and probably the West. Just my opinion.

Which is pretty much in line with the following.

"Omar Khadr should be monitored with electronic bracelets when he’s released from prison, says a Scarborough group that him charged with treason.

Shobie Kapoor, of Canadian Patriotic Society — a grass roots citizens group — insisted Sunday that Khadr will be used by Islamic extremists as a “propaganda machine on the GTA mosque circuit.”

She said Khadr, 26, can also be used to raise funds and recruits at Toronto-area mosques when he’s freed.

“He will draw out all the jihadis,” Kapoor said. “They will all pay big money to see him.”

Her group gave Scarborough Centre MP Roxanne Jame a 100-name petition which calls for Khadr to be charged with treason. The Conservative MP is expected to pass it along this week to Public Safety Minister Vic Toews.

Khadr, now 26, was seven weeks shy of his 16th birthday when he tossed the hand grenade that killed a U.S. army medic during a firefight in Afghanistan.

His sympathizers argue he should receive clemency, painting him as a child soldier who fell in with the wrong crowd. Others argue he’s loyal to al-Qaida and will return to the front lines of terrorism given the chance.

Khadr is serving the remainder of an eight-year sentence at Millhaven Institution near Kingston, Ont., after being transferred to Canada from a military cell in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, on Sept. 29. He is eligible for parole in 2013.

“This man is dangerous and has to be monitored whenever he is freed,” Kapoor said. “He will be a lightning rod for other jihadis.”

Kapoor said Khadr sympathizers are already aligning themselves to be at his side after his release."

[eyeball]

Any Canadian should be an enemy of not only Omar, but the entire Khadr family.

BTW, I respect the right to a differing opinion, but not the right to denigrate as above.

No, Canadians should be ashamed of Canada, and especially ashamed of Scarborough Centre.

[Guest Peeves]

No, Canadians should be ashamed of Canada, and especially ashamed of Scarborough Centre.

Personally I'm proud of most Canadians except for Khadr and his lot. Those that side with them, and those that weep for him and not our NATO soldiers killed by he and his Osama buddy daddy.

[carepov]

Personally I'm proud of most Canadians except for Khadr and his lot. Those that side with them, and those that weep for him and not our NATO soldiers killed by he and his Osama buddy daddy.

Personally I am sick of all the stupidity and emotionalism surrounding this issue. Can't you see jbg and Peeves - most rational Canadians like Romeo Dallaire, myself and several others here at MLW are concerned about The Law. We have legal systems in Canada and internationally that were not followed. This is the main issue - governments broke The Law.

We have a whole system designed to judge based on the facts and the Law. Who the hell are we to judge based on arbitrary emotions?

[g_bambino]

canada not repatriating him as it should have while other countries did so quickly, ignoring the international treaty Canada was part of in regards to child soldiers, taking part in his detention and interrogation/torture, needlessly adding time to his imprisonment...I'm no lawyer but I'm reasonably sure those issues will all come up in any compensation package...I'll guess he's looking at a 10 million payout...

The only thing that really matters is the CSIS participation in interrogations of Khadr in conditions at Guantanamo that didn't meet Canadian standards and violated the rights of a Canadian citizen that the Crown and its officers are bound to respect when dealing with a Canadian, anywhere in the world. Otherwise, everything else was either beyond the responsibility of the government or not subject to judicial review.

[g_bambino]

Personally I am sick of all the stupidity and emotionalism surrounding this issue...

We have a whole system designed to judge based on the facts and the Law. Who the hell are we to judge based on arbitrary emotions?

Yes, there's a lot of emotion and ideology based knee-jerk reactions from both sides; Omar's turned into a martyr of the left-leaning West-haters (Westerners and non alike) or the devil-incarnate of the right-leaning Muslim haters. Where's one of those 'Keep Calm and Carry on' signs when you need one?

[wyly]

The only thing that really matters is the CSIS participation in interrogations of Khadr in conditions at Guantanamo that didn't meet Canadian standards and violated the rights of a Canadian citizen that the Crown and its officers are bound to respect when dealing with a Canadian, anywhere in the world. Otherwise, everything else was either beyond the responsibility of the government or not subject to judicial review.

The Supreme Courts of both Canada and the United States have clearly established that Omar Khadr’s incarceration is illegal. In 2006, the Supreme Court of the United States (SCUS) ruled in Hamdan v Rumsfeld that the military commission process violated both the U.S. Uniform Code of Military Justice and Common Article 3 of the four 1949 Geneva Conventions. In 2008 the Supreme Court of Canada confirmed the illegality of that process in Canada v Khadr citing with approval the SCUS decision. It also confirmed that the participation of Canadian officials in that process constituted breaches of Khadr’s Charter rights and Canada’s international human rights obligations.

the canadian government took part in his torture/interrogation yes but also failed to end his illegal detention, every additional day he spends behind bars will need to be compensated for.

canada failed to aid a citizen it was obligated to protect...this is much more than interrogation and torture....

In January, 2010, the Supreme Court of Canada reiterated that “Mr. Khadr’s ongoing detention so as to deprive him of his right to liberty and security of the person guaranteed by s. 7 of the Charter” was “ contrary to the principles of fundamental justice”. The Court reminded the government and people of Canada that “all government power must be exercised in accordance with the Constitution” and that Mr. Khadr had the right to a remedy for those breaches in accordance with s. 24(1) of Canada’s Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The Government of Canada has been in flagrant and unconstitutional violation of this Order for over two and a half years.

http://www.lrwc.org/...ate-omar-khadr/

my guess is he gets 1 million for every years in detention...

Edited October 9, 2012 by wyly

[g_bambino]

the canadian government took part in his torture/interrogation yes but also failed to end his illegal detention...

Ending Khadr's detention was not within the power of the Canadian government.

[Mr.Canada]

The American kept him alive when they could've let him die in the field. He has lived in Canada for only 2 years out of 26. He was raised to an Islamic fundamentalist. His mother has said she wanted her son to be strong and that being raised in Canada would lead her son to become a homosexual and/or a drug addict. Omar killed one of our allies, he is a traitor. I don't understand how people here can be supporting a man who still hasn't denounced Al-Queda or terrorism. It truly doesn't make an sense to me.

[wyly]

Ending Khadr's detention was not within the power of the Canadian government.

that's not true at all, other western nations sought the release and return of their citizens and were successful doing so...canada did nothing instead actively contributed to his detention.

Section 6 Federal Government Responsibility and Capacity to Protect Canadians and Their Rights Overseas, Including Respect for International Law Provisions

not only did canada not aid Omar it actively took part in his confinement and was breach of international laws it was a signatory to.

http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/ns_sn/page7-eng.aspx

[GostHacked]

The American kept him alive when they could've let him die in the field. He has lived in Canada for only 2 years out of 26. He was raised to an Islamic fundamentalist. His mother has said she wanted her son to be strong and that being raised in Canada would lead her son to become a homosexual and/or a drug addict. Omar killed one of our allies, he is a traitor. I don't understand how people here can be supporting a man who still hasn't denounced Al-Queda or terrorism. It truly doesn't make an sense to me.

Maybe you should take up issue with someone like Hillary Clinton who claims they helped create Al-queda. Perhaps they are responsible for Omar as well.

[g_bambino]

that's not true at all, other western nations sought the release and return of their citizens and were successful doing so...canada did nothing instead actively contributed to his detention.

Requests to end detention do not end detentions. Whether or not Khadr's incarceration by the US ended was a decision for the US government only. The Supreme Court acknowledged that fact and its implications in its 2010 ruling: "Mr. Khadr is not under the control of the Canadian government; the likelihood that the proposed remedy [seeking Khadr's repatriation] will be effective is unclear; and the impact on Canadian foreign relations of a repatriation request cannot be properly assessed by the Court."

[eyeball]

Ending Khadr's detention was not within the power of the Canadian government.

Even though the US was begging us to take him back? Exactly how does that scan anyway?

[wyly]

Requests to end detention do not end detentions. Whether or not Khadr's incarceration by the US ended was a decision for the US government only. The Supreme Court acknowledged that fact and its implications in its 2010 ruling: "Mr. Khadr is not under the control of the Canadian government; the likelihood that the proposed remedy [seeking Khadr's repatriation] will be effective is unclear; and the impact on Canadian foreign relations of a repatriation request cannot be properly assessed by the Court."

as you avoid

Section 6 Federal Government Responsibility and Capacity to Protect Canadians and Their Rights Overseas, Including Respect for International Law Provisions

canada took part in his illegal detention, did not come to his aid and did not respect international law...closing yours eyes, pretending it didn't happen and hoping it all goes away won't work...our government has a legal obligation to fight for our rights no matter where we are and most certianly not assist those infringing on interantional law...

[g_bambino]

as you avoid...

It wasn't avoided. That was at the heart of the Supreme Court's decision when it declared that Khadr's rights had been violated when he was interviewed by CSiS agents at Guantanamo. It doesn't, in any way, though, dictate that the government must seek the repatriation of any Canadian incarcerated by a foreign authority. Hence, the Supreme Court's statement I quoted above.

[carepov]

The American kept him alive when they could've let him die in the field. He has lived in Canada for only 2 years out of 26. He was raised to an Islamic fundamentalist. His mother has said she wanted her son to be strong and that being raised in Canada would lead her son to become a homosexual and/or a drug addict. Omar killed one of our allies, he is a traitor. I don't understand how people here can be supporting a man who still hasn't denounced Al-Queda or terrorism. It truly doesn't make an sense to me.

I refuse to judge/support/denounce Khadr or his family.

The details you give above are not relevant to the main issue: The Law must be applied equally to everyone. The governments of Canada and the US broke The Law and this is unacceptable.

Does this principle make sense to you?

Edited October 9, 2012 by carepov

[jbg]

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I don't know about anyone else but I'm sick to death of suffering these sycophantic sphincters gladly anymore.

I made a serious point. You responded with a silly one.

[eyeball]

I made a serious point. You responded with a silly one.

What? Surely you weren't actually serious when you asked if his right to kill allies was breached.

http://www.mapleleaf...460#entry839207

But if you say so by all means keep it up. There's probably nothing that undermines the official case against Khadr more than the comments of our governments' more passionate sycophants.

[Radsickle]

Please don't let "Mr. Canada" or any other hate-mongering twit distract us from the historical truth that confronts us; they aren't as important as what happens now. The best we can do is be vigilant to what we believe, regardless of the twits rumours.

Omar was a mistreated child soldier, Hooeh?!

[Guest American Woman]

These were NATO troops and could just as well have been Canadian.

I often wonder what the reaction would have been in Canada if they had been Canadian troops; if he had killed a Canadian instead of an American.

Clearly the murdered medic was attired in a manner showing he was a non combatant.

Actually, he was a combatant, too, in that battle; I doubt he was attired any differently than anyone else from what I've read. The fighting was over, however, and Speers was attending to the wounded when Khadr threw the grenade. I've provided sources confirming that Khadr said he knew the fighting was over at the time.

Clearly the attacking near 16 year old bomb maker and supporter of Osama bin Laden, our Canadian enemy, meant to kill him.He blinded another of our NATO soldiers. He confessed. A 16 year old, not a child soldier, attacked our NATO forces. He admitted the charges. He went to trial. He was sentenced. Apparently the sentence (had there not already been an agreement), was 40 years.

I also believe that he clearly admitted it. He apologized to Speers' widow, so why would he do that if he weren't guilty? His letters home initially say nothing about being forced to confess, either, nor do they say anything about abuse. Quite the opposite, actually; he says that the Americans are treating him well at Gitmo: in a letter written to his parents on Nov. 25, 2002 he wrote: The Americans are the opposite of what the whole world denies. Health services 24 hours, three meals a day, Ramadan eat before dawn and sunset ...

.I think he was well versed later as to what to say to his benefit.

[Guest Peeves]

We shall soon see if he is a Canadian in reality or the politically infected son and brother of radical followers of Osama.

[eyeball]

I often wonder what the reaction would have been in Canada if they had been Canadian troops; if he had killed a Canadian instead of an American.

I can't speak for anyone else but mine would have been the same...but probably with a greater sense of poignancy.

[Guest Peeves]

I can't speak for anyone else but mine would have been the same...but probably with a greater sense of poignancy.

Me ditto, a Canadian or an American, allies no difference.

[bleeding heart]

Me ditto, a Canadian or an American, allies no difference.

But what about the cases (which, uncontroversially, demonstrably exist) in which our allies, or Canada itself, are in the wrong?

[gunrutz]

IM sure that there were child soldiers in the world wars. or Korea, when they shot at us we shot back. It's just far too simple for some of you to understand, not everything in the world is complicated, lots of people in the military sign up because they have no choice, it's that or starve, do they deserve to be treated like they are special? If you are old enough to fight you are old enough to refuse, he chose to kill someone (yes i know, you choose not to believe it, i dont have an answer for you), he could have taken the consequences of saying no, intead he choce to take someone else's life. For that we have to pity him? No. we don't, sorry lefties all of your thoughts on this issue is based on a broken belief system, the world will never be what you want, in the real world, killing people in war has ramifications.

Edited October 10, 2012 by gunrutz