Higgly Posted May 27, 2007 Report Posted May 27, 2007 Sounds like the old plow shear nonsense. Such erudition. Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
kuzadd Posted May 27, 2007 Report Posted May 27, 2007 Soviets had extremely authoritarian ideology and lots of nukes and they didn"t use them once. Iran will at best have a handful and not anytime soon. Oh, they used them plenty. As they built up their arsenal and aimed it everywhere, menacing the free world and using it as an unspoken threat as they spread communism to various satellite countries. "Oh, they used them plenty. As they built up their arsenal and aimed it everywhere, menacing the free world and using it as an unspoken threat " and how exactly is that any different then the US?? Who used it to spread their own ideology? Who BTW is the only country to have ever used them. Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 27, 2007 Report Posted May 27, 2007 and how exactly is that any different then the US??Who used it to spread their own ideology? Who BTW is the only country to have ever used them. How is it different? Easy...the Soviet Union didn't have Canada on its team to supply uranium ore and enrichment. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
kuzadd Posted May 28, 2007 Report Posted May 28, 2007 and how exactly is that any different then the US?? Who used it to spread their own ideology? Who BTW is the only country to have ever used them. How is it different? Easy...the Soviet Union didn't have Canada on its team to supply uranium ore and enrichment. well there ya go, It isn't different, except for Canada's supply role, for the US. building up arsenal, spreading fear, and their own ideology, ditto! Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
JerrySeinfeld Posted May 28, 2007 Author Report Posted May 28, 2007 This is a dumb poll. Nobody has proven that Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons. If it were, it is sandwiched between nuclear nations... Israel to the west and Pakistan to the east. Israel jailed the only guy who dared to confirm that it had nuclear weapons and continues to harrass him to this day. Israel is the only country that refused to sign the non-proliferation agreement and tried to hide behind a don't ask don't tell smokescreen.Nuclear weapons are like the mumps. When your neighbour gets them, you get them. Israel is like the first kid in the class to get the mumps. If you want to disarm the Middle East, disarm Israel. Oh GIVE ME A BREAK hahaha. Iran, - a nation practically FLOATING on oil is relying no it's good concience to develope an alternative energy source? Could you make a better joke? I think not/ On your other point: Making an apples to apples comparison of a nation led by an armageddon-loving, holocaust-denying, Jew-Hating madman and a nation (Israel) which is bordered on all sides by cuontries that want to annihaliate them is equally as laughable as the "alternative energy" excuse. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 28, 2007 Report Posted May 28, 2007 well there ya go, It isn't different, except for Canada's supply role, for the US.building up arsenal, spreading fear, and their own ideology, ditto! No, it isn't that easy this time....you can't dismiss Canada's role with such glib comments. Not only did Canada "supply" both the UK and USA's massive cold war nuclear arsenal, it also wanted to charge France more for the same thing! Canadians worked on the military projects, manned NORAD posts, hosted bases and weapons systems, tested defoliants, manufactured munitions, and got rich doing it. Try as you may, you can't run away from Canada's history as staunch ally. Even today....where do you think DU comes from? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
JerrySeinfeld Posted May 28, 2007 Author Report Posted May 28, 2007 So I assume you answered "yes" to the poll question. I couldn't understand why anyone would respond to a poll that is both meaningless and completely incomprehensible. When the crucial question of the poll starts with "When they do do you think...", I just stop reading. Actually the polls starts with an assumption - that Iran will get nukes. Let's rephrase it for the retards of the world: If Iran gets nukes - will they use them to blow up Israel? Quote
B. Max Posted May 28, 2007 Report Posted May 28, 2007 Actually the polls starts with an assumption - that Iran will get nukes.Let's rephrase it for the retards of the world: If Iran gets nukes - will they use them to blow up Israel? They have called for the destruction of Israel and the US. If they think they can get away with it they will do it. Quote
JerrySeinfeld Posted May 28, 2007 Author Report Posted May 28, 2007 Soviets had extremely authoritarian ideology and lots of nukes and they didn"t use them once. Iran will at best have a handful and not anytime soon. That's "cold-war-think" and typical of those who haven't done their homework. Iran is a different kettle of fish: We're now dealing with a death-cult religion that "rewards" and praises suicide. Mutually Assured Destruction only works if both parties are afraid of dying. Quote
Higgly Posted May 28, 2007 Report Posted May 28, 2007 North Korea hasn't used theirs and they are without doubt the wackiest we have. Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
Higgly Posted May 28, 2007 Report Posted May 28, 2007 This is patently false....both India and Pakistan have not ratified the NPT. Shucks...another Israel bash thwarted....and you wonder why I am here? Yes you are right. I should have said the only country in the Middle East. Sloppy writing on my part. I do still wonder why you are here, though. Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
M.Dancer Posted May 29, 2007 Report Posted May 29, 2007 It takes a bit of unreality to think that you need to detonate a n-bomb in order to use it. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
buffycat Posted May 29, 2007 Report Posted May 29, 2007 Oh good grief - no one is going to nuke Israel! That would be a really really stupid thing to do, given she has nuclear weapons herself, and has said she has NO problem bringing the world down with her. Unless some odd group wants armaggedon (Xtain fundies?) I can't see Iran being that dumb. Israel, on the other hand, loves to provoke - so she might just take a little stab at Iran's energy sites. If she does, I wonder what Russia and China will think? (Oh not to mention India). Who is calling to wipe who out again? *shaking me head* Quote "An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind" ~ Ghandi
M.Dancer Posted May 29, 2007 Report Posted May 29, 2007 Oh good grief - no one is going to nuke Israel! That would be a really really stupid thing to do, given she has nuclear weapons herself, and has said she has NO problem bringing the world down with her. You have a quote for that? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
myata Posted May 29, 2007 Report Posted May 29, 2007 That's "cold-war-think" and typical of those who haven't done their homework.Iran is a different kettle of fish: We're now dealing with a death-cult religion that "rewards" and praises suicide. Mutually Assured Destruction only works if both parties are afraid of dying. I'm not sure what kind of homework you've done to connect this death cult religion stuff with Iran. Anyways how do you know if / when someone is or is not afraid of dying? Because they're fundamentally different in their nature from us? And for that reason aren't entitled to the same privileges as ourselves (and our friends or proxies)? Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
buffycat Posted May 29, 2007 Report Posted May 29, 2007 Oh good grief - no one is going to nuke Israel! That would be a really really stupid thing to do, given she has nuclear weapons herself, and has said she has NO problem bringing the world down with her. You have a quote for that? I sure do!! Here ya go: READ it and weep! The Telegraph "Van Creveld is deeply pessimistic about Israel's future, menaced on one side by an increasingly violent and fissiparous Palestinian population and on the other by a would-be nuclear Iran. But he expects his country at least to go down fighting. "We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions," van Creveld declared in an interview in September 2003. "We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that this will happen before Israel goes under."" You may want to read the whole article. Oh, btw Van Creveld is a well recognized Israeli military historian. Quote "An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind" ~ Ghandi
kuzadd Posted May 29, 2007 Report Posted May 29, 2007 well there ya go, It isn't different, except for Canada's supply role, for the US. building up arsenal, spreading fear, and their own ideology, ditto! No, it isn't that easy this time....you can't dismiss Canada's role with such glib comments. Not only did Canada "supply" both the UK and USA's massive cold war nuclear arsenal, it also wanted to charge France more for the same thing! Canadians worked on the military projects, manned NORAD posts, hosted bases and weapons systems, tested defoliants, manufactured munitions, and got rich doing it. Try as you may, you can't run away from Canada's history as staunch ally. Even today....where do you think DU comes from? oh, my friend, I am not dismissing Canada's role. Never would. But the issue I was adressing, was how it was any different , cold war wise , US vs USSR, , between using fear and spreading ideology, and it wasn't, in fact it was exactly the same. That is what I was discussing and referring to. Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
kuzadd Posted May 29, 2007 Report Posted May 29, 2007 Soviets had extremely authoritarian ideology and lots of nukes and they didn"t use them once. Iran will at best have a handful and not anytime soon. That's "cold-war-think" and typical of those who haven't done their homework. Iran is a different kettle of fish: We're now dealing with a death-cult religion that "rewards" and praises suicide. Mutually Assured Destruction only works if both parties are afraid of dying. as opposed the the American military which appears to be a "death cult/reward rapture" army.?? or America's government at the time, with a leader that 'talks to God' ??? FYI: all religions use reward indoctrination, to get it's adherent to conform. Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
JerrySeinfeld Posted May 29, 2007 Author Report Posted May 29, 2007 That's "cold-war-think" and typical of those who haven't done their homework. Iran is a different kettle of fish: We're now dealing with a death-cult religion that "rewards" and praises suicide. Mutually Assured Destruction only works if both parties are afraid of dying. I'm not sure what kind of homework you've done to connect this death cult religion stuff with Iran. Anyways how do you know if / when someone is or is not afraid of dying? Because they're fundamentally different in their nature from us? And for that reason aren't entitled to the same privileges as ourselves (and our friends or proxies)? Gee - what planet have you been on for the past 10 years? Who do you think finances and arms Hezbollah, Hamas, suicide bombers in Iraq / Gaza / Israel / West Bank? Who do you think believes in the hidden Imam, which must be brought on by armageddon? Which religion is it that martyrizes suicide bombers? WHo has called for Israel to be wiped off the map? Which country was behind the 1994 bombing of the Israelite Mutual Association in Argentina? Which countries leaders (the Ayatollahs) placed a global price on Salman Rushdie's head for writing a book? Who claimed, after speaking to the UN general assembly that he had a golden aura surrounding him and that the entire assembly was held transfixed by the hand of god? How do I know when someone is not afraid of dying? Just look at the two sides. Our society hates our mission. Watch the news recently? We can't WAIT to lose this war. The only dabet left is TIMING ie. when we choose to lose it. Now look at the other side. We talk in terms of MONTHS. The islamists, backed by the leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Ahmedinejad, talk in terms of CENTURIES. The global islamists can't wait to DIE for their cause. And the coming of the next armageddon and a few nukes and a few million dead muslims, in their eyes, is the ultimate in martyrdom, if it means the end of Israel. That is the ultimate difference between the Islamists (our enemy) and the free west. After a few years, we're bored of the war and want to watch something else on TV, whereas it is their life's missino to annihalate, slaughter and conquer us, and a few dead muslims along the way is and EASY price to pay for them. As far as your question about being afraid to die, just turn on the TV to any channel and look for the term "suicide bomber". You might learn something. Quote
myata Posted May 30, 2007 Report Posted May 30, 2007 Who do you think finances and arms Hezbollah, Hamas, suicide bombers in Iraq / Gaza / Israel / West Bank?Who do you think believes in the hidden Imam, which must be brought on by armageddon? Which religion is it that martyrizes suicide bombers? WHo has called for Israel to be wiped off the map? Which country was behind the 1994 bombing of the Israelite Mutual Association in Argentina? Which countries leaders (the Ayatollahs) placed a global price on Salman Rushdie's head for writing a book? Who claimed, after speaking to the UN general assembly that he had a golden aura surrounding him and that the entire assembly was held transfixed by the hand of god? Oh my. What a spread (or spray?) of thought. Can't we keep on to the topic though - i.e. death cult and Iran? How do I know when someone is not afraid of dying? Just look at the two sides. Our society hates our mission. Watch the news recently? We can't WAIT to lose this war. The only dabet left is TIMING ie. when we choose to lose it. Now look at the other side. We talk in terms of MONTHS. The islamists, backed by the leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Ahmedinejad, talk in terms of CENTURIES. The global islamists can't wait to DIE for their cause. And the coming of the next armageddon and a few nukes and a few million dead muslims, in their eyes, is the ultimate in martyrdom, if it means the end of Israel. OK. What cause? ... it is their life's missino to annihalate, slaughter and conquer us, and a few dead muslims along the way is and EASY price to pay for them. How does this understanding of their mission line up with the history of the last say century? Or maybe you're attempting to describe some alternative universe? As far as your question about being afraid to die, just turn on the TV to any channel and look for the term "suicide bomber". You might learn something. Are "they" all like suicide bombers? Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Guest coot Posted May 30, 2007 Report Posted May 30, 2007 Anyways how do you know if / when someone is or is not afraid of dying?Because they're fundamentally different in their nature from us? And for that reason aren't entitled to the same privileges as ourselves (and our friends or proxies)? Do you feel the same about those who've been awarded the Victoria Cross? In the good old wars, they gave medals to those who weren't afraid of dying. Besides, how many suicide bombers have there been in history? Modern-day suicide bombing only really started in the 1980s, and they certainly haven't averaged more than a few a month. How can you take the actions of maybe a thousand and say it is a commonality among a religion of over a billion people? Quote
JerrySeinfeld Posted May 30, 2007 Author Report Posted May 30, 2007 Are "they" all like suicide bombers? Islamists? Absolutely. Quote
JerrySeinfeld Posted May 30, 2007 Author Report Posted May 30, 2007 Anyways how do you know if / when someone is or is not afraid of dying? Because they're fundamentally different in their nature from us? And for that reason aren't entitled to the same privileges as ourselves (and our friends or proxies)? Do you feel the same about those who've been awarded the Victoria Cross? In the good old wars, they gave medals to those who weren't afraid of dying. Besides, how many suicide bombers have there been in history? Modern-day suicide bombing only really started in the 1980s, and they certainly haven't averaged more than a few a month. How can you take the actions of maybe a thousand and say it is a commonality among a religion of over a billion people? I didn't say that. I used the word "Islamists" which is different than the word "Muslims". Islamists is a fairly well accepted word to describe the more - ahem - vigorous end of the Muslim religion. ie. "Radical Islamists" - of which certainly Ahmedinejad and his ayatollah puppetmasters belong. "There was a prominent British Muslim who in a recent debate at Trinity College, Dublin announced that the Prophet Mohammed’s message to infidels was “I am here to slaughter you all.” (cite: Mark Steyn)" That about sums up their mission. Quote
GostHacked Posted May 30, 2007 Report Posted May 30, 2007 That is the worst worded poll I have seen on this site to date. Read it carefully. It cannot be answered. Quote
M.Dancer Posted May 30, 2007 Report Posted May 30, 2007 That is the worst worded poll I have seen on this site to date.Read it carefully. It cannot be answered. Orange? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
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