Religious Honor Killings

[cybercoma]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/05/18/...ling/index.html

Authorities believe [Dua Khalil, a 17-year-old Kurdish girl whose religion is Yazidi,] was killed for being seen with a Sunni Muslim man. She had not married him or converted, but her attackers believed she had, a top official in Nineveh province said. The Yazidis, who observe an ancient Middle Eastern religion, look down on mixing with people of another faith.

The killing is said to have spurred the killings of about two dozen Yazidi men by Sunni Muslims in the Mosul area two weeks later.

There is absolutely no other reason for these murders than religion. Religion, which religious people have admitted on this forum, is based on nothing more than faith in unprovable things has caused the torture, suffering and deaths of these people. Why do we continue to provide special privileges for these superstitions? Why do they require respect? Why are we not demanding people justify and defend religious belief when things like this are happening around the world?

[sharkman]

Yes, its too bad all of these false religions exist, it must make God very sad to see how badly man has distorted the belief in God.

[cybercoma]

What makes these religions anymore false than Christianity which has murdered abortion doctors, women (witches?), homosexuals and non-believers of all sorts?

Is it that Christianity makes up for 33% of the world's population, while Islam only makes up 19%?

Perhaps Hindusim or Sikhism holds the truth, since they are older than Christianity, Islam and Judaism?

Or could it simply be that belief without reason in superstitious things is a terrible thing to teach people, especially where education is lacking, and is resulting in horrific tortures, oppressions and deaths.

[sharkman]

Good questions. God wants all people to know him and have a relationship with Him.

[cybercoma]

Good questions. God wants all people to know him and have a relationship with Him.

This doesn't explain why the other religions are false. This doesn't give truth to the Judeo-Christian God in any way either. In fact, there is example after example in the Bible, particularly the old testament, that non-believers are to be killed.

Zoroastrianism is perhaps the oldest religion known, predating Judeo-Christian and Muslim beliefs by thousands of years, yet their supreme being Ahura Mazda, is not the God you're implying is true.

It is much more likely that uneducated populations who have superstitious beliefs hammered into them are killing one another out of ignorance. Rather than saving people, religion is the catalyst for death here. If God is benevolent, there is no reason he should allow such horrific suffering to occur among people who don't know any better.

[sharkman]

Yes, its too bad all of these false religions exist, it must make God very sad to see how badly man has distorted the belief in God.

I don't want to repeat myself, but...

[kuzadd]

Yes, its too bad all of these false religions exist, it must make God very sad to see how badly man has distorted the belief in God.

all religions are false!

to follow your thinking, since they are all largley the same!!!!!!!

[kuzadd]

Good questions. God wants all people to know him and have a relationship with Him.

This doesn't explain why the other religions are false. This doesn't give truth to the Judeo-Christian God in any way either. In fact, there is example after example in the Bible, particularly the old testament, that non-believers are to be killed.

Zoroastrianism is perhaps the oldest religion known, predating Judeo-Christian and Muslim beliefs by thousands of years, yet their supreme being Ahura Mazda, is not the God you're implying is true.

It is much more likely that uneducated populations who have superstitious beliefs hammered into them are killing one another out of ignorance. Rather than saving people, religion is the catalyst for death here. If God is benevolent, there is no reason he should allow such horrific suffering to occur among people who don't know any better.

sharkman is merely preaching a "my religion is better then your religion" sermon.

which is irrelevant to your questioning.

[sharkman]

I wonder how many of your posts are false, kuzadd, what with you willing to change content and meaning like I caught you doing in the 'My Beef With This Site' thread.

[kuzadd]

I wonder how many of your posts are false, kuzadd, what with you willing to change content and meaning like I caught you doing in the 'My Beef With This Site' thread.

How could they be false? I write them?

I wonder how many of yours are foolish?

Tough for you if you don't like it!

if I have something I wish to add, I can!

if I wan't to correct error's , I can!

if i want to edit for brevity, I can!

Get over it!

Ask the moderator if this is ok for me to do, you can do it also, everyone on this forum can.

Why do you think we have an option to edit?

[sharkman]

Look, I will say it plainly. When you make a post, other people respond to the content and points you make. If you are going to change the content and meaning of your post, you need to let others know by putting it at the bottom with an "edit" or somewhere so it's plain what you are doing. Nothing wrong with that.

When you change your post after others have responded to it, like I mentioned earlier where you took out the word, "nope" and instead inferred that you didn't understand when you clearly did, you are playing games. This Makes the following posts that disagree with you confusing, and it's a form of cheating when someone refutes your point and you then remove it instead of replying to their counterpoint.

Play by the rules.

[Remiel]

Technically, these honour killings have more to do with culture than religion. The concepts predate Islam, Christianity and maybe even Judaism. I'll see if I can find the article later to link.

[betsy]

What makes these religions anymore false than Christianity which has murdered abortion doctors, women (witches?), homosexuals and non-believers of all sorts?

Is it that Christianity makes up for 33% of the world's population, while Islam only makes up 19%?

Perhaps Hindusim or Sikhism holds the truth, since they are older than Christianity, Islam and Judaism?

Or could it simply be that belief without reason in superstitious things is a terrible thing to teach people, especially where education is lacking, and is resulting in horrific tortures, oppressions and deaths.

What's this honor killing got to do with Christianity????

HEADLINE: YOUNG GIRL, RAPED AND MURDERED BY

1. Christian Fundamentalist

2. Hutu Warrior

3. Taliban insurgent

4. Liberal Leftwing Loonie

5. Mapleleaf Forum poster

WHICH DO YOU FIND MOST OFFENSIVE??? Should a group only rape and murder according to the percentage the group represents in the population? Are groups being greedy by taking more than their share? Or shirking their responsibility by not doing enough? Get a grip.

[scribblet]

The killing is said to have spurred the killings of about two dozen Yazidi men by Sunni Muslims in the Mosul area two weeks later.

There is absolutely no other reason for these murders than religion. Religion, which religious people have admitted on this forum, is based on nothing more than faith in unprovable things has caused the torture, suffering and deaths of these people. Why do we continue to provide special privileges for these superstitions? Why do they require respect? Why are we not demanding people justify and defend religious belief when things like this are happening around the world?

I'm not sure that this was based on a religious belief, it was an 'honour killing', wonder how they tie in supporting such a backward hatefilled piece of medieval savagery with the use of modern cell phones etc. The people who did this and those who support them are sub-human, and today there is no equivalency with any other religion that I know of. This group are zidi which is supposed blend various concepts from multiple religions.

There are Christians extremeists who have gone after abortion doctors, but they are a minority, and there is a big difference between radical Islam and the west. We do not consider these people to be martyrs, nor do we praise them when they kill for their beliefs. We catch them and put them on trial and punish them, we (including Christians) o not justify these actions when caught we put them on trial and punish them.

I would suggest that there are way more Imams et al in mosques around the world who preach violence and hatred and an Islamist supremacist message than any other religion, in fact, I doubt that there is any equivalence with any other religion in sheer magnitude.

[Higgly]

This is all pretty amusing. It has only been a matter of a decade or two since it was considered justifiable homicide in some US states to kill your wife if she was caught in the sack with another man. I'm not sure, but I believe you could get away with killing the other man too. What a bunch of heathens. Really.

[sharkman]

This is all pretty amusing. It has only been a matter of a decade or two since it was considered justifiable homicide in some US states to kill your wife if she was caught in the sack with another man. I'm not sure, but I believe you could get away with killing the other man too. What a bunch of heathens. Really.

How about using some accuracy in your posts. Show us in what universe this was considered justifiable.

[betsy]

Or could it simply be that belief without reason in superstitious things is a terrible thing to teach people, especially where education is lacking, and is resulting in horrific tortures, oppressions and deaths.

What do you mean by "belief without reason?" It could mean concievably belief without any reasons to believe. It could mean faith. Or it could mean, belief without reasoning. And if you mean belief without reasoning, that could mean the ignorant unable to read the bible for example are basing their belief completely on faith. Of course today we have the benefit of scholarship and fortunately many of can benefit from a clearer understanding of the Word of God from the Bible.

[Higgly]

How about using some accuracy in your posts. Show us in what universe this was considered justifiable.

Texas.

[sharkman]

You are probably referring to one specific case in which extenuating circumstances occured, or at least in one state only. Then you do the typical American bashing thing and extrapolate it into an American norm. How typical.

I see now, this happened in YOUR universe

[scribblet]

How about using some accuracy in your posts. Show us in what universe this was considered justifiable.

Texas.

Source please, and was it a one off miscarriage of justice or what.

[Higgly]

You are probably referring to one specific case in which extenuating circumstances occured, or at least in one state only. Then you do the typical American bashing thing and extrapolate it into an American norm. How typical.

I see now, this happened in YOUR universe

Source please, and was it a one off miscarriage of justice or what.

No I was just bored and you lot were ticking me off.

[sharkman]

"No I was just bored and you lot were ticking me off."

Ah, so you lied then. I will keep that in mind when debating with you.

[kuzadd]

Look, I will say it plainly. When you make a post, other people respond to the content and points you make. If you are going to change the content and meaning of your post, you need to let others know by putting it at the bottom with an "edit" or somewhere so it's plain what you are doing. Nothing wrong with that.

When you change your post after others have responded to it, like I mentioned earlier where you took out the word, "nope" and instead inferred that you didn't understand when you clearly did, you are playing games. This Makes the following posts that disagree with you confusing, and it's a form of cheating when someone refutes your point and you then remove it instead of replying to their counterpoint.

Play by the rules.

of course you are ASSUMING, that a poster, actually KNEW someone else had already responded??

That is not always the case, because , by time one reads over their own posting and then decides to edit, someone else could have responded, and the originating poster would have NO knowledge of this.

When one posts it to the forum, it is only there own post that shows on the screen at that time, and not any other responses.

Now had you thought your wild accusations through in a rational manner, that would have occured to you.

But, since you prefer accusations and gross assumptions, so be it.

obviously you did not think through the process of posting on this forum, before you made numerous foolish comments.

[sharkman]

Quit playing games. You said 'nope' you hadn't changed your post #27. Then you took the word 'nope' out of the post (#34) and said in a following post you thought I was accusing you of changing Betsy's post, like that was possible. There is no need to cover up your tracks.

Just say what you mean, and if you think of something later, edit your post by adding information at the bottom under the heading 'Edit'. If you can't be trusted to post fairly, no one will want to debate with you.

[Remiel]

Here is that link I mentioned:

The Murder of Du'a Aswad

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/05/17/1269/