Lighting, what do you prefer

[Figleaf]

Why not get some data, eh?

[buffycat]

You forgot HID

lol

[geoffrey]

HIDs in the kitchen, hmm, I can imagine that, right over the stove, you'd be able to see so well.......

I've been using fluorescent for a few years. Why not? Cheaper in the long run and apparently I'm being good to the environment. Go me.

[August1991]

I'm impressed with these LED lights. I got one for camping this summer. It's a 12 volt chargeable with a crank.

[cybercoma]

What about the different hues CFLs come in? You do realize there are DAYLIGHT bulbs in CFL, which are a true white colour (that most people consider 'bluish' because we're used to the warm hue of incandescents) and there are SOFT WHITE bulbs, that have the warm hue of incandescent lighting.

By using 25% of the power of incandescent bulbs, giving consumers the choice of colour (daylight, soft white, natural sunshine, etc.), and lasting 7 to 10 times as long as a regular bulb, the choice is obvious. Compact Fluorescents are here to stay. And without giving away confidential information, CFLs outsell regular bulbs by leaps and bounds.

[Figleaf]

... there are SOFT WHITE bulbs, that have the warm hue of incandescent lighting.

Yeah, they're crap. They have the 'hue' maybe, but all that means is they've sprayed a fluroescent bulb with brown. The light is dim, beige, and flourescent -- nothing at all like an incandescent light.

CFLs outsell regular bulbs by leaps and bounds.

If that's true, the legislation against incandesenct bulbs is pointless and unnecessary.

[scribblet]

CFLs have mercury in them too, disposal problems if people just put them in the regular garbage.

[geoffrey]

Actually, if we all just chucked our CFLs into the sewer, into the garbage or out the back of the car on a country road, the environment would still be better off:

http://www.nema.org/lamprecycle/epafactsheet-cfl.pdf

The mercury emissions from a coal plant powering an incandescent bulb are higher than that contained in a CFL.

[FTA Lawyer]

I'm vehemently against this lightbulb ban...it is totally f--king Easy-Bake Oven sales!

FTA

[Parrot]

Not to mention that dimmer switches will be a thing of the past.

[M.Dancer]

Not to mention that dimmer switches will be a thing of the past.

Better not metion it because you can get CFL that are dimmer friendly

[Parrot]

Better not metion it because you can get CFL that are dimmer friendly

Really? That's good to know. Where do I find them? (I've never seen any)

[M.Dancer]

Better not metion it because you can get CFL that are dimmer friendly

Really? That's good to know. Where do I find them? (I've never seen any)

Fine stores everywhere that carry GE

[kimmy]

I think that our friend Figleaf is actually getting at something larger than the relative quality of lightbulbs.

While people talk a big game when it comes to the environment, they're notoriously less committed to actually following through. Whether it comes to enduring the inconvenience and smelly slobs that frequent public transit, or tolerating fluorescent lights that make your chiffon blouse look the color of pea soup, people's enthusiasm for environmental conservation tends to be somewhat diminished when it comes at a cost to their own comforts.

Perhaps Figleaf is trying to provoke people to reflect on that.

Sometimes, legislation like this can have an impact. California's tough laws against automobile emissions had an impact in 2 ways: they made automakers find ways to reduce their emissions, because California is too large a market to just ignore. And it encouraged other jurisdictions to follow along. At this point, many vehicles no longer come in special "California" low-emissions flavors because the automaker decided it's cheaper just to make all the vehicles of that model ULEV-compliant.

The ban on incandescents will work the same. Lighting technology is already evolving so rapidly that improvements to CFL bulbs are an inevitability. The ban on incandescents will have the effect of guaranteeing a large market for CFL and competing technologies. And there will be competition to be the one to fill the gap created by incandescent's departure.

-k

[Charles Anthony]

Kimmy,

Do you have any idea how efficient your toaster or vacuum cleaner or microwave oven or air conditioner are?

The ban on incandescents will have the effect of guaranteeing a large market for CFL and competing technologies. And there will be competition to be the one to fill the gap created by incandescent's departure.

The government should not be managing such a market.

Banning a light bulb is ridiculous. Part of me suspects that it does not get less ridiculous in a house that is heated with electricity.

I have an incandescent light bulb hanging in a cold storage cellar that I turn on for about 30 seconds maybe once a week -- at most. Using a CFL light in that manner is not efficient and nobody will ever detect my clandestine use of an incandescent bulb.

The aim of this ban is to reduce energy use. Fine.

Why should we reduce energy use? -- because of pollution and to protect the environment. Fine.

In other words, we are transferring the cost of the environment. Fine.

Those are worthy goals but banning a light bulb is ridiculous. The cost of energy should be raised instead.

Thus, CFL or LED or HID (I do not even know what that last one is!) or whatever light bulbs will be bought on their own merits and people will decide for themselves based on their energy savings. The government will not have to micro-manage anything in the lighting or the home appliance markets.

There is no excuse for micro-managing a light bulb market.

-- the cost of a light bulb is small (compared to the overal budget of a household)

-- most households need them

-- most households several of them

-- people see their energy bill on a monthly basis

Arithmetically, light bulb consumption is a very divisible unit and should adapt quickly to market forces.

Compare this product to a car where some people have cars and other people do not. If the price of gas goes up or down, poor people will not suddenly be able to afford a car and rich people will not suddenly buy an extra car.

I promote raising the cost of energy and leave individuals to choose how they use that energy.

If people can not afford their utility bill because of their low income, subsidize their income.

[Canuck E Stan]

I don't know why lighting preferences is in the Moral & Religious section of the forum......

But since it is..................my preference is the divine light from above,it shines the brightest.