Marijuana Cures Cancer?

[White Doors]

What a surprise. The conspiracy whackos are the same one's most interested and knowledgeable about POT.

LOL

I'm not a conspiracy whacko and I'm interested and knowledgeable about pot. I don't smoke the stuff anymore, but I do like learning new things, no matter what those things are. Pot is an interesting subject.

I used to smoke it too. I wouldn't really call it an interesting subject however.

[RB]

A drug is a drug is a drug.

Look at the side effects of your marijuna:

Memory loss

Distorted perception

Trouble with thinking and problem solving

Loss of motor skills

Decrease in muscle strength

Increased heart rate

Anxiety

White blood cells decrease, hence immune systems are susceptible to infection

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidence99/ma...a/Health_1.html

http://www.growing-marijuana-seeds.com/leg...-marijuana.html

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/ongoing/marijuana.html

http://www.usask.ca/education/ideas/tplan/...es/legmarij.htm

http://www.swlearning.com/economics/policy.../marijuana.html

don't look for me in your campaigns to make it legal

[White Doors]

LOL

Distorted perception

Trouble with thinking and problem solving

Drea? Poly? Wendy?

hahaha

[BubberMiley]

A drug is a drug is a drug.

Not really. I think a pretty big distinction between drugs is that there are those that can kill you when you ingest more than the prescribed amount, and those that do not. And no one has ever died from smoking too much pot. Or even woken up with any kind of hangover, to my knowledge.

[RB]

LOL

Distorted perception

Trouble with thinking and problem solving

Drea? Poly? Wendy?

hahaha

Stirring up some troubles are you. I sincerely hope you do know the folks or must have been in some discussion with them to print their handle names without contributing to the discussion on hand.

Cheers

[cybercoma]

A drug is a drug is a drug.

Look at the side effects of your marijuna:

Memory loss

Distorted perception

Trouble with thinking and problem solving

Loss of motor skills

Decrease in muscle strength

Increased heart rate

Anxiety

White blood cells decrease, hence immune systems are susceptible to infection

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidence99/ma...a/Health_1.html

http://www.growing-marijuana-seeds.com/leg...-marijuana.html

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/ongoing/marijuana.html

http://www.usask.ca/education/ideas/tplan/...es/legmarij.htm

http://www.swlearning.com/economics/policy.../marijuana.html

don't look for me in your campaigns to make it legal

How many of those are affects of just being high and how many of them are long term effects?

Cure lung cancer and get high, or stay sober and die....

Not really a tough decision.

Ever take prescription painkillers? Ever take any drugs with codeine in them?

Doctors are getting patients high everyday.

[BubberMiley]

Look at the side effects of your marijuna:

Memory loss

Distorted perception

Trouble with thinking and problem solving

Loss of motor skills

Decrease in muscle strength

Increased heart rate

Anxiety

White blood cells decrease, hence immune systems are susceptible to infection

don't look for me in your campaigns to make it legal

I'm not sure I understand why you would want to fuel organized crime and the black market, and give otherwise average people criminal records just to protect them from anxiety and an increased heart rate (which they can also get from climbing stairs). Not to mention the fact that they're smoking it anyway, as are the kids who can buy it in school because you refuse to allow it to be regulated.

[eXploiTeD]

Not even the study provided supports the idea that marijuana "cures cancer." It does inhibit the spread of cancer cells in the lungs, but the same article admits that it may actually cause cancers in other areas of the body. The point is, it goes without saying that smoking marijuana is not good for the physical health of a healthy human being.

That being said, marijuana is illegal for many, many reasons. None of them, when seriously investigated, warrant any respect.

For instance, it is often argued that marijuana is physically dangerous. This is probably true. The problem is that even if it is, the government still has no basis for restricting it's legal availability. After all, literally hundreds of more harmful (both personally and socially) substances are sold everyday: alcohol, fast food and automobiles all come to mind immediately.

Furthermore, whatever can be said about marijuana, or any other drug for that matter, it can also be said that the War on Drugs is an expensive and resounding failure.

The illegality of recreational substances has failed to decrease their usage or availability: production and sales are stable, if not on the rise. It has failed to act as a deterrent to future users. It has failed to effectively remove the criminal element that is empowered by the fact that nobody can legally grow a certain substance. And it has failed to make our city streets safer.

In fact, it has accomplished the exact opposite. How many criminal organizations make their money in the drug trade? How many terrorist groups are funding cells in various countries using drug money? How many non-violent and non-criminal lives have been destroyed by the illegalization policy? How many teenagers had their records (and lives) forever tarnished?

People support the War on Drugs because they are sado-moralists; they do not care if the punishment is not working... they only care that people be punished.

[BubberMiley]

Not even the study provided supports the idea that marijuana "cures cancer." It does inhibit the spread of cancer cells in the lungs, but the same article admits that it may actually cause cancers in other areas of the body.

No it doesn't. In fact the articles ays it may cure other cancers in the body. There has never been a documented case of cancer being caused by marijuana use. It's true that it's not good for the lungs--it can cause a smoker's cough--but to the best of my knowledge, it's not a carcinogen at all.

[buffycat]

Cannabis has been found to be very effective in the treatments of both particular types of prostate cancers as well a types of brain cancers. The mechanism by which it achieves this is not well understood, though it occurs when using whole plant extracts only. When the researchers attempt to identify the particular molecules responsible (so to be able to synthesize them) it simply doesn't work as well.

Spain has a been a leader in researching the benefits of cannabis - google it to find out.

There is no argument that it does work - just the WAYS in which it does so are vastly unrealized.

Has cannabis every killed anyone? NO

Is cannabis carcinogenic? This is more problematic to answer, since it depends on a few factors. How was the crop grown? Were pesticides used? What kinds of nutrients was it grown with - ie chemical vs organics. What were the conditions under the growth cycle? (Any factors which can be attributable to any other growing crop). Now, if you grow the stuff in a contaminated mine, full of carcinogenic materials, then you test that said crop - of course you are going to find carcinogens! So, since Hellth Canada has only tested it's own 'shwag' grown in a contaminated environment, not using the principles of organics - is it any wonder that they find arsenic and lead? Is it any wonder they find high tar (they grind up the whole bloody plant - leaves stems all of it - while the proper use is only the female mature flowers - the rest is pretty much garbage - or needs to be processed to filter out the impurities of leaf and stem material).

Anyways, as usual the ignorance of this plant abound. Booga Booga.

[eXploiTeD]

No it doesn't. In fact the articles ays it may cure other cancers in the body. There has never been a documented case of cancer being caused by marijuana use. It's true that it's not good for the lungs--it can cause a smoker's cough--but to the best of my knowledge, it's not a carcinogen at all.

A recent survey by the Kaiser Permanente Center found that daily marijuana-only smokers have a 19% higher rate of respiratory complaints than non-smokers.(1) These findings were not unexpected, since it has long been known that, aside from its psychoactive ingredients, marijuana smoke contains virtually the same toxic gases and carcinogenic tars as tobacco. Human studies have found that pot smokers suffer similar kinds of respiratory damage as tobacco smokers, putting them at greater risk of bronchitis, sore throat, respiratory inflammation and infections.

Although there has not been enough epidemiological work to settle the matter definitively, it is widely suspected that marijuana smoking causes cancer. Studies have found apparently pre-cancerous cell changes in pot smokers.(3) Some cancer specialists have reported a higher-than-expected incidence of throat, neck and tongue cancer in younger, marijuana-only smokers.(4) A couple of cases have been fatal. While it has not been conclusively proven that marijuana smoking causes lung cancer, the evidence is highly suggestive. According to Dr. Donald Tashkin of UCLA, the leading expert on marijuana smoking:(5)"Although more information is certainly needed, sufficient data have already been accumulated concerning the health effects of marijuana to warrant counseling by physicians against the smoking of marijuana as an important hazard to health." Fortunately, the hazards of marijuana smoking can be reduced by various strategies:

1. use of higher-potency cannabis, which can be smoked in smaller quantities,

2. use of waterpipes and other smoke reduction technologies,(6) and

3. ingesting pot orally instead of smoking it.

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A more widely accepted estimate is that marijuana smokers consume four times as much carcinogenic tar as cigarettes smokers per weight smoked.

Marijuana cannot be definitively linked to cancer because the vast majority of it's users don't smoke 25-50 joints a day. Still, it is widely accepted that marijuana has many natural carcinogens, and therefore, does damage the body and may, in certain susceptible individuals (i.e. smokers), do more harm than good.

That being said, once prohibition is over, the medical ramifications of marijuana and other drugs can be studied in greater depth, and we can have a better picture of marijuana's impact on the body. But saying it is harmless is probably untrue.

So, since Hellth Canada has only tested it's own 'shwag' grown in a contaminated environment, not using the principles of organics - is it any wonder that they find arsenic and lead? Is it any wonder they find high tar (they grind up the whole bloody plant - leaves stems all of it - while the proper use is only the female mature flowers - the rest is pretty much garbage - or needs to be processed to filter out the impurities of leaf and stem material).

Do you have any real evidence that Health Canada tests it's marijuana in contaminated environments?

[newbie]

A drug is a drug is a drug.

Look at the side effects of your marijuna:

Memory loss

Distorted perception

Trouble with thinking and problem solving

Loss of motor skills

Decrease in muscle strength

Increased heart rate

Anxiety

White blood cells decrease, hence immune systems are susceptible to infection

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidence99/ma...a/Health_1.html

http://www.growing-marijuana-seeds.com/leg...-marijuana.html

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/ongoing/marijuana.html

http://www.usask.ca/education/ideas/tplan/...es/legmarij.htm

http://www.swlearning.com/economics/policy.../marijuana.html

don't look for me in your campaigns to make it legal

Please list all the folks that have died as a result of ingesting this drug. And then compare your 0 list to the deaths directly relating to smoking and drinking alchohol.

[BubberMiley]

Do you have any real evidence that Health Canada tests it's marijuana in contaminated environments?

Everything they have they grew in an abandoned mine in Flin Flon (home of Bobby Clarke and Reggie Leach).

[RB]

A drug is a drug is a drug.

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don't look for me in your campaigns to make it legal

Please list all the folks that have died as a result of ingesting this drug. And then compare your 0 list to the deaths directly relating to smoking and drinking alchohol.

My proof should be conclusive in the amounts of efforts put in to stall an overturned on a ban on marijuana, and to legalize it and the amounts of government funds put into credibility to allow those like myself to believe marijuana is not good for you, while it still remains illegal.

The conclusion I have, that there is no currently accepted medical use for marijuana except for those research projects - the one mentioned in the beginning of this discussion, medical marijuana availability to seriously ill patients to ease pains, probably doing good for memory loss, distorted perception, forget things, don't need to think about much and some occasional teaser for you regular whiners with your crying pains that you cannot bear.

I can only concede up to this point folks, that almost everyone is going to get hurt however it may, and eventually everyone dies. It’s up to you to reduce your own risk, and look after your health - you wish to stick around a bit no?.

Why can't you generate your own high by climbing flights of stairs everyday, instead of opting for an easy draw on pot?

Even the Olympics support the ban on marijuana

[eXploiTeD]

Do you have any real evidence that Health Canada tests it's marijuana in contaminated environments?

Everything they have they grew in an abandoned mine in Flin Flon (home of Bobby Clarke and Reggie Leach).

This was one incident, probably as a result of mismanagement (no surprise there - it is the government after all). It doesn't indicate a wider trend.

[Drea]

Why can't you generate your own high by climbing flights of stairs everyday, instead of opting for an easy draw on pot?

Even the Olympics support the ban on marijuana

Marijuana does not make one "high" -- it makes one "mellow". Although I do know some folks who get a spurt of energy after they smoke... After a really stressful day, nothing mellows me out faster or more efficiently than smoking a bit of weed.

Cocaine, LSD, etc make one "high".

Of course the Olympics banned marijuana -- would kinda slow the athletes down LOL.

I do believe they are not allowed to be drunk on alcohol either... so what's yer point?

[BubberMiley]

Marijuana does not make one "high" -- it makes one "mellow".

Not necessarily. Many people experience anxiety, paranoia, and an increased heart rate. It depends on the person, and on their tolerance level. It clearly has different effects on people and is not for everyone.

But it's banned by the Olympics because it's illegal in nearly all participating countries. That would make it rather a catch-22 if that became a justification for it continuing to be illegal.

[guyser]

Why can't you generate your own high by climbing flights of stairs everyday, instead of opting for an easy draw on pot?

Judging by the number of athletes that use it, I think they are. Then they go off and have a smoke. I do triathlons, which involves a little more than climbing stairs.

Even the Olympics support the ban on marijuana

And pretty much every Doctor associated with the Olympics and I suspect the idiot Dick Pound himself will tell you that it is definitely not "performance enhancing" which is the benchmark for restricting drugs.

[BC_chick]

There is a reason why marijuana is illegal - it is not good for you. I never had the opportunity to see the stuff much less smoke it, but maybe you can shed some light on the short-term memory loss you would have experienced.

Okay, you ready? It goes something like this. First, uh... you, uh. No, no first, we start by, uh, saying...

Oh darn, what was the question again?

[BC_chick]

Our government makes 5000% profit in the sale of medicinal mary-j, and yet it claims that legalizing it, taxing it, and profiting from it is immoral. I guess it's only moral if you profit off the terminally-ill.

[BC_chick]

It's true that it's not good for the lungs--it can cause a smoker's cough--but to the best of my knowledge, it's not a carcinogen at all.

If it were, we would see all kinds of studies linking Rastafarian lifestyle with high incidence of lung-cancer.

[ScottSA]

It's true that it's not good for the lungs--it can cause a smoker's cough--but to the best of my knowledge, it's not a carcinogen at all.

If it were, we would see all kinds of studies linking Rastafarian lifestyle with high incidence of lung-cancer.

It's kind of hard when Rastas tend to die of gunshot wounds halfway through the studies.

[gc1765]

It's kind of hard when Rastas tend to die of gunshot wounds halfway through the studies.

Then tell the cops to stop shooting them

[eXploiTeD]

Our government makes 5000% profit in the sale of medicinal mary-j, and yet it claims that legalizing it, taxing it, and profiting from it is immoral. I guess it's only moral if you profit off the terminally-ill.

Did you have a source for this? I'd really like to hear more about it.

[buffycat]

Health Canada 1500% mark up on Cannabis

OTTAWA (CP) - The federal government charges patients 15 times more for certified medical marijuana than it pays to buy the weed in bulk from its official supplier, newly released documents show.

Critics say it's unconscionable to charge that high a markup to some of the country's sickest citizens, who have little income and are often cut off from their medical marijuana supply when they can't pay their government dope bills.

Records obtained under the Access to Information Act show that Health Canada pays $328.75 for each kilogram of bulk medical marijuana produced by Prairie Plant Systems Inc.

The company currently has a $10.3-million contract with Health Canada, which expires at the end of September, to grow standardized medical marijuana in an abandoned mine shaft in Flin Flon, Man.

Health Canada, in turn, sells the marijuana to a small group of authorized users for $150 - plus GST - for each 30-gram bag of ground-up flowering tops, with a strength of up to 14 per cent THC, the main active ingredient. That works out to $5,000 for each kilogram, or a markup of more than 1,500 per cent.

"It's impossible for a person on disability," said Ron Lawrence, 38, a burn victim in Windsor, Ont., who needs medical marijuana to control severe pain. "The sickest people are the ones that need it the most . . . they're the ones who don't work."

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This is one article I found wrt Hellth Canada's mark up of their crappy schwag weed.