jbg Posted May 9, 2007 Report Posted May 9, 2007 Kind of like repeating stuff about Dion's language, isn't it?Still, if you want to keep this thread at the top, please continue replying. Frankly, Dion's failure to learn English makes his national ambitions insulting. English-speakers should not be made guests in their own country. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
gc1765 Posted May 9, 2007 Report Posted May 9, 2007 Frankly, Dion's failure to learn English makes his national ambitions insulting. English-speakers should not be made guests in their own country. I speak english (and only english) and I understand him perfectly fine. I don't understand why some people have such a hard time understanding him. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Fortunata Posted May 9, 2007 Report Posted May 9, 2007 Frankly, Dion's failure to learn English makes his national ambitions insulting. English-speakers should not be made guests in their own country. You are insulted by his national ambitions? You are not even of this nation so I think it is insulting that you would make comment on this. I speak english (and only english) and I understand him perfectly fine. I don't understand why some people have such a hard time understanding him. Pretty much the ones who can't understand him don't want to. It's not just his understandability, however, it is his maneuverability that is a problem for me. He needs to be quicker and get the 3 second soundbites down if he wants to do well. Quote
jbg Posted May 9, 2007 Report Posted May 9, 2007 You are insulted by his national ambitions? You are not even of this nation so I think it is insulting that you would make comment on this.I apologize for insulting your dainty sense of self-worth. In my country, I am insulted when a gasoline station on a "main drag" such as US 1 posts giveaway signage in Spanish only. I do not enjoy being made a guest on a continent built largely by the Anglosphere. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
noahbody Posted May 9, 2007 Report Posted May 9, 2007 Every time I hear something that ridiculous, I have to scream Serenity Now! A few bad apples. NOT the government. That's rich. Almost as rich as Liberal friends. Forgot about made-man Gagliano and meetings in the PMO office already, eh? And this excuses money being spent now by the Tories with no paper trail? All governments and parties dealings should have a paper trail, without question. I would assume in this case there is a paper trail and that she is well paid by the government as she should be. Will the media and Jack Layton make a big deal of the amount? Yes. Quote
jdobbin Posted May 9, 2007 Author Report Posted May 9, 2007 Frankly, Dion's failure to learn English makes his national ambitions insulting. English-speakers should not be made guests in their own country. He must have had good enough English to be able to work in the U.S. as long as he did. Quote
jdobbin Posted May 9, 2007 Author Report Posted May 9, 2007 I apologize for insulting your dainty sense of self-worth. In my country, I am insulted when a gasoline station on a "main drag" such as US 1 posts giveaway signage in Spanish only. I do not enjoy being made a guest on a continent built largely by the Anglosphere. Talk to your state government then. New York City has had many unilingual signs over the years. Probably even unilingual Hebrew. Quote
M.Dancer Posted May 9, 2007 Report Posted May 9, 2007 I apologize for insulting your dainty sense of self-worth. In my country, I am insulted when a gasoline station on a "main drag" such as US 1 posts giveaway signage in Spanish only. I do not enjoy being made a guest on a continent built largely by the Anglosphere. You read Spanish? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Charles Anthony Posted May 9, 2007 Report Posted May 9, 2007 And this excuses money being spent now by the Tories with no paper trail?No, it does not. You know, jDob, I rarely agree with anything you post but certainly this is one instance where I praise you for hammering away at the Tories. I hate government waste and non-accountability. I do not care what party-affiliation is the root source anymore. In my country, I am insulted when a gasoline station on a "main drag" such as US 1 posts giveaway signage in Spanish only. I do not enjoy being made a guest on a continent built largely by the Anglosphere.You are not entitled to being served by any merchant. My grandmother lived forty years in the United States and I have trouble understanding both her English and the English of the natural-born Americans in her city. They all managed to make due. Quote We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
jdobbin Posted May 9, 2007 Author Report Posted May 9, 2007 All governments and parties dealings should have a paper trail, without question. I would assume in this case there is a paper trail and that she is well paid by the government as she should be. Will the media and Jack Layton make a big deal of the amount? Yes. I have no problem if Harper wants to have a stylist. If that person is paid by the taxpayer, it should be readily available to see without having to go to great effort and denials when finding out. The information should be available in a timely manner and the government should be able to explain and justify the expense. Instead, a special Parliamentary demand has to be made and a 45 day clock has to click down. The Opposition, the media or Joe Citizen should be able to access that information quickly and easily. The government should be able to respond to questions about said expense. So far we have seen none of the transparency that was promised during the election. As for whether the media or NDP will make a big deal about the expense, that is part and parcel of being in government. If the party is embarrassed by it, they probably should not have used taxpayer money to do it. Quote
Fortunata Posted May 9, 2007 Report Posted May 9, 2007 I apologize for insulting your dainty sense of self-worth. In my country, I am insulted when a gasoline station on a "main drag" such as US 1 posts giveaway signage in Spanish only. I do not enjoy being made a guest on a continent built largely by the Anglosphere. You read Spanish? My dainty sense of self-worth? Bwahahaha. Obviously my self worth is robust and confident otherwise I might be posting about American topics on an American forum. In fact my self-worth as a Canadian is big enough to include French Canadians who, by the way in case you are not familiar with it, are a "legal" part of this country; French being an "official" language to boot. Why would having a French speaking PM be an insult? Hahahaha, what a guy. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted May 9, 2007 Report Posted May 9, 2007 I rarely agree with anything you post but certainly this is one instance where I praise you for hammering away at the Tories. I hate government waste and non-accountability. I do not care what party-affiliation is the root source anymore. How is it wasteful? I have said this repeatedly. jdobbin's hammering away at the point is childish and infantile. It takes up a lot of bandwidth. What is he accomplishing by posting everyday that the deadline is approaching? Why not start a countdown to the next election given the new fixed date for an election? If the Conservatives ignore the deadline then he will have a point. Until then, it's just sad and pathetic behaviour. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
gc1765 Posted May 9, 2007 Report Posted May 9, 2007 I have said this repeatedly. jdobbin's hammering away at the point is childish and infantile. It takes up a lot of bandwidth. What is he accomplishing by posting everyday that the deadline is approaching? Just out of curiosity, how many posts do you have in this thread? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
jdobbin Posted May 9, 2007 Author Report Posted May 9, 2007 Just out of curiosity, how many posts do you have in this thread? I can't recall bandwidth being an issue in forum guidelines. However, for some posters it seems to be an issue despite the fact that they seem to post immediately after the posts they claim waste space. The most effective means of avoiding having threads taking up space is to not respond, mark it as a read and let it sink to the bottom. Quote
runningdog Posted May 9, 2007 Report Posted May 9, 2007 QUOTE(jdobbin @ May 8 2007, 09:07 PM) And this excuses money being spent now by the Tories with no paper trail? No, it does not. You know, jDob, I rarely agree with anything you post but certainly this is one instance where I praise you for hammering away at the Tories. I hate government waste and non-accountability. I do not care what party-affiliation is the root source anymore. well said. I totally agree. Quote
Charles Anthony Posted May 9, 2007 Report Posted May 9, 2007 I rarely agree with anything you post but certainly this is one instance where I praise you for hammering away at the Tories. I hate government waste and non-accountability. I do not care what party-affiliation is the root source anymore.How is it wasteful?It could undermine public support for his party. I have said this repeatedly. jdobbin's hammering away at the point is childish and infantile. It takes up a lot of bandwidth. What is he accomplishing by posting everyday that the deadline is approaching?That is a different issue. Report his posts to the Forum Moderator with an explanation of your concern. If the Conservatives ignore the deadline then he will have a point. Until then, it's just sad and pathetic behaviour.Get past the partisanship and think strategically: the Tories should have answered quickly if they want public support. Quote We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
jdobbin Posted May 9, 2007 Author Report Posted May 9, 2007 That is a different issue. Report his posts to the Forum Moderator with an explanation of your concern. Just because some people don't want to deal with an issue doesn't mean it doesn't contribute under forum guidelines. Personal attacks are probably of more concern to the moderator and there have been a number of those most certainly. So, by all means report a post and I'll deal with whatever consequences are meted out. However, I expect that rules regarding inflammatory or insulting behaviour should be dealt with harshly. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted May 9, 2007 Report Posted May 9, 2007 That is a different issue. Report his posts to the Forum Moderator with an explanation of your concern. Just because some people don't want to deal with an issue doesn't mean it doesn't contribute under forum guidelines. Personal attacks are probably of more concern to the moderator and there have been a number of those most certainly. So, by all means report a post and I'll deal with whatever consequences are meted out. However, I expect that rules regarding inflammatory or insulting behaviour should be dealt with harshly. It's not inflammatory to make the same point over and over and over again? It's contributing nothing. A number of posters have issues with jdobbin's insistence on this matter. Of course, he doesn't care about what other people think. Why should he? That's great the two of you to think the Government has a duty above and beyond what is ascribed by the parliamentary committee to report. It isn't a different issue because this thread would have died repeatedly without jdobbin's manipulative tactics. Get past the partisanship and think strategically: the Tories should have answered quickly if they want public support. Here's thinking strategically. This story isn't in the MSM any more. This thread is no longer an issue about Harper any more than Figleaf's Stockwell Day thread was about Day. This thread has become all about jdobbin. The thread would have died long ago if it weren't for jdobbin bumping it time after time after time. Yet, I'm the one who should get past partisanship? Just out of curiosity, how many posts do you have in this thread? Not as many as jdobbin. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
sharkman Posted May 9, 2007 Report Posted May 9, 2007 I have said this repeatedly. jdobbin's hammering away at the point is childish and infantile. It takes up a lot of bandwidth. What is he accomplishing by posting everyday that the deadline is approaching? Just out of curiosity, how many posts do you have in this thread? I counted the last 3 pages and jdobbin's got 15 posts on them, and this page isn't even full yet. Talk about monopolizing a thread. Quote
gc1765 Posted May 9, 2007 Report Posted May 9, 2007 Not as many as jdobbin. Maybe not, but from the looks of it, you two are pretty close Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
M.Dancer Posted May 9, 2007 Report Posted May 9, 2007 11 PAGES for harpers appearence.... ...can we at least agree, what ever the cost was, he needed it badly. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Shakeyhands Posted May 9, 2007 Report Posted May 9, 2007 11 PAGES for harpers appearence.......can we at least agree, what ever the cost was, he needed it badly. 29 with my resolution... and yes. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
jbg Posted May 9, 2007 Report Posted May 9, 2007 I apologize for insulting your dainty sense of self-worth. In my country, I am insulted when a gasoline station on a "main drag" such as US 1 posts giveaway signage in Spanish only. I do not enjoy being made a guest on a continent built largely by the Anglosphere. Talk to your state government then. New York City has had many unilingual signs over the years. Probably even unilingual Hebrew. From what I've seen, New York City has a few signs that are bi-lingual Chinese and English, with the Chinese characters being much smaller. I do apologize for the harsh tone of my post though. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
noahbody Posted May 9, 2007 Report Posted May 9, 2007 So far we have seen none of the transparency that was promised during the election. This isn't true either. There have been numerous posts on here criticizing Tory spending, including Harper's airplane expenses thanks to transparency. Considering your last prime minister avoided paying taxes in Canada even though he was given about $190 million in contracts paid by Canadian taxpayer and the PM before him stated "What's a few million here and there?" and ran the most corrupt government in Canadian history, this seems to be a bit of a mountain out of a mole hill. I'm sure Layton is keeping his receipts from UltraCuts so he can make a big deal about her getting paid a good sum for "little or no work." This, if you can comprehend the importance of image and market value is nothing but partisan spin. The media will have a field day at the expense of Harper's appearance. Quote
Fortunata Posted May 9, 2007 Report Posted May 9, 2007 Who funded Harper's campaign? Why isn't the psychick/stylist employee records on record? Why isn't Cannon's chartered executive jet's expenses listed as such? Why aren't Blackburn's travel records showing how much he spent on charters? None of these expenditures are wrong; they could all be justified but for some reason they are ALL hidden. What is Steve trying to hide? If he has nothing to hide, why hide these expenses? It isn't anything to do with the Liberals, NDP, former governments, former Prime Ministers. This is the "NEW" government that promised openness and transparency. So far all we have is an opposition party playing leader... but the Liberals ... when the Liberals were government..... (whine, whine, snivel). Either this government can stand on it's own or it should go back to really being the opposition. Quote
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