Riverwind Posted April 20, 2007 Report Posted April 20, 2007 With or without the video, or the rest of the mailing to NBC, he was and would remain infamous.Only because the media insists on publishing his name. If they did not he would be infamous but anonymous. The guy expected his mindless rants to get played on TV over and over again. Without that incentive he may have never gone over the edge. He might have just killed himself. We can never know for sure but I see a plausible, if not proven, connection. Why not err on the side of public safety? Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.
guyser Posted April 20, 2007 Report Posted April 20, 2007 Only because the media insists on publishing his name. If they did not he would be infamous but anonymous. The guy expected his mindless rants to get played on TV over and over again. Without that incentive he may have never gone over the edge. He might have just killed himself. We can never know for sure but I see a plausible, if not proven, connection. Why not err on the side of public safety? All mass killers , and probably all killers get their name published. I cannot see any connection with naming a killer and public safety. Frankly, I want to know the face of killers. I dont want to say hi to Charles Manson on the BART one day and accept an invite to lunch. Same goes for Dahmer . (ok he is dead) As for whether or not he would have gone thru with this if NOT for him believing he would have the video played, well...I seriously doubt that. It has never stopped killers before. And frankly neither one of us can prove that. This whole public safety thing is crazy. The public is not harmed by the photos, adults that is, and I find the angle to be one of disconnect. Quote
BubberMiley Posted April 20, 2007 Report Posted April 20, 2007 Seeing as he was a foroiegn exchange student and a non citizen, how was he able to buy the handgun, and why was he not expelled from the country during his first signs of trouble? Have you ever made a post that included accurate information? He had lived in the U.S. since he was eight years old. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
BubberMiley Posted April 20, 2007 Report Posted April 20, 2007 deleted (repeated post) Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
BubberMiley Posted April 20, 2007 Report Posted April 20, 2007 All mass killers , and probably all killers get their name published. I cannot see any connection with naming a killer and public safety. Actually, again, no. Young offenders are anonymous. So are the previously mentioned example of child molesters if, by revealing their identity, one could determine the identity of the child they molested. So keeping criminals names secret is not unprecedented. When you are dealing with psychos who will kill as a statement to society, the first thing to do is establish the example that their statement will not be heard. Giving their press kits front-page coverage only encourages like-minded fellow psychos who want the whole world to look at them. Can you see now how that might be bad for public safety? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
guyser Posted April 20, 2007 Report Posted April 20, 2007 All mass killers , and probably all killers get their name published. I cannot see any connection with naming a killer and public safety. Actually, again, no. Young offenders are anonymous. So are the previously mentioned example of child molesters if, by revealing their identity, one could determine the identity of the child they molested. So keeping criminals names secret is not unprecedented. I did answer that and said that in the case of minors it should not be printed, but that is set down as law, not media censorship. When you are dealing with psychos who will kill as a statement to society, the first thing to do is establish the example that their statement will not be heard. Giving their press kits front-page coverage only encourages like-minded fellow psychos who want the whole world to look at them. Can you see now how that might be bad for public safety? I am sorry, but I dont. It has not prompted anyone before from becoming a killer, so why should I or anyone else think it might stop them? Quote
ScottSA Posted April 20, 2007 Report Posted April 20, 2007 What if his motivation had been something else? What if he were motivated by on of Mohammed's suras? I'd certainly want to know.That could be reported then. I am only saying that the guys identity should be subject to the ban. We could still have stories telling all about his run in with the police, the concerns of his instructors and anything else that would tell people why he did what he did. But we don't need to know his name and we don't need to see his pictures or hear his words. Fair enough, although I suspect his identity, pictures and extended family would be on the internet in about ten seconds. Quote
Riverwind Posted April 20, 2007 Report Posted April 20, 2007 Fair enough, although I suspect his identity, pictures and extended family would be on the internet in about ten seconds.Internet 'fame' does not mean as much if it is not echoed in the mainstream media. Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.
newbie Posted April 20, 2007 Report Posted April 20, 2007 Good grief people, you all have the channel and off/on switch on the bloody T.V. Quote
Riverwind Posted April 20, 2007 Report Posted April 20, 2007 - Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.
BubberMiley Posted April 20, 2007 Report Posted April 20, 2007 Giving their press kits front-page coverage only encourages like-minded fellow psychos who want the whole world to look at them. I am sorry, but I dont. It has not prompted anyone before from becoming a killer, so why should I or anyone else think it might stop them? I'm not sure what you mean by "It has not prompted anyone before from becoming a killer...". Do you mean that no one before has ever killed just so that people will notice them? I think that's the twisted motive of all these school-shooters. Why else would he have issued a press kit in the midst of his crime? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
guyser Posted April 20, 2007 Report Posted April 20, 2007 I'm not sure what you mean by "It has not prompted anyone before from becoming a killer...". Do you mean that no one before has ever killed just so that people will notice them? I dont recall anyone going on a crime spree because they saw another killers pic in the media. Thats all that means Quote
VJ2 Posted April 20, 2007 Report Posted April 20, 2007 Similar to the Montreal massacre the shooter was from some place not practicing western ideologies and seem to rage against the liberties and freedoms that exist in a capitalistic world - in this instance that people can work hard and become rich. I didn't want to draw a parallel but it seems this is exactly why the middleast folks rage against the western societies. They become loonies and the good society were are, cite mental health disorders to label "bad" ones with some medical condition. You think people don't believe in working hard and become rich in most nations of the world? S. Korea? Afghanistan? Saudi Arabia ? Lepine was borne in Montreal, his mother an ex nun his father an Algerian mutual fund salesman- very anticapitalistic Quote
BC_chick Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 actually, the more heavily armed a population is, the MORE gun violence there is Agreed. It doesn't make sense to have more violence on a daily basis in order to prevent the rare episode like this from happening. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
sharkman Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 Disagree. I think most prisons are unarmed, and rumor has it there is violence occuring regularly. Quote
Canadian Blue Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 Disagree. I think most prisons are unarmed, and rumor has it there is violence occuring regularly. Great comparison... Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
BubberMiley Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 Disagree. I think most prisons are unarmed, and rumor has it there is violence occuring regularly. So you think we can remedy that by giving prisoners guns? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 So you think we can remedy that by giving prisoners guns? Miss America 1944 thinks so: She had to balance on her walker as she pulled out a snub-nosed .38-caliber handgun. "I didn't even think twice. I just went and did it," she said. "If they'd even dared come close to me, they'd be 6 feet under by now." http://tinyurl.com/3xy242 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
sharkman Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 Disagree. I think most prisons are unarmed, and rumor has it there is violence occuring regularly. So you think we can remedy that by giving prisoners guns? No, I think taking guns away from the population won't stop murders. Quote
Drea Posted April 23, 2007 Report Posted April 23, 2007 I figure the states outta start giving guns to kids at the age of 5. As soon as they get into school they should be armed. It's the only way they will ever be safe. Arm the kindergarteners now! Keep the children safe! ... and the parents should be thrown in jail if they refuse and the parents tattooed with "antigunnut" on their foreheads. Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee
sharkman Posted April 24, 2007 Report Posted April 24, 2007 Still waiting for a response with some substance... Quote
BubberMiley Posted April 24, 2007 Report Posted April 24, 2007 Me too. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
geoffrey Posted April 24, 2007 Report Posted April 24, 2007 I'm not sure what you mean by "It has not prompted anyone before from becoming a killer...". Do you mean that no one before has ever killed just so that people will notice them? I think that's the twisted motive of all these school-shooters. Why else would he have issued a press kit in the midst of his crime? Airing the kit was a very pisspoor decision. I was really disgusting by giving a killer time on national TV to make his case. It was absolutely ridiculous. Just like the new crowd of news people that almost seem to be begging us to have sympathy for this kid. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
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