betsy Posted April 16, 2007 Author Report Posted April 16, 2007 Also, the candidates are given limited time to give their views or platforms. Why should Dion get some extra time (through May)? If they wish, Dion and May can split the alotted time for Dion. If everyone is supposed to have 60 seconds to reply....Dion and May can have 30 seconds each! Quote
Charles Anthony Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 Why should Dion get some extra time (through May)?For the same reason that we have a lot of other wonderful programming on television: the networks choose to broadcast it. Quote We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
M.Dancer Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 The Green Party had always wanted and tried to get in on the election debates between leaders. The reason they were not included before was due to the numbers of seats that they have. There's some buzz by pundits that on the next election....the Green might get a spot. But how could it be now that Elizabeth May is endorsing Dion to be the Prime Minister? Is it still okay? Only parties with a hope in hell of winning a seat should be allowed in the debates. Why one fringe party should get special treatment over another wingnut party is beyond me. If any fringe party should be allowed in the debates it should be the Natural Law Party. They at least are funny. I take that back, the Marijauna Party could be entertaining too.....especially right after the break.... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 I don't really see much value in giving Dion a translator? You know, sometimes I struggle to be funny...and then I read a line like that, it's simplicity and beauty the product of obvious ease, and I am humbled...... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 Elizabeth May has more reason to be involved in the English debate than Duceppe does. So english Quebecers have no need to hear Duceppe? And if the Liberal party collapses, shouldn't English Canada have an idea what kind of Leader of the Opposition Duceppe will be? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Charles Anthony Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 shouldn't English Canada have an idea what kind of Leader of the Opposition Duceppe will be?Slow down. You are attributing an obligation on the networks to broadcast debates in a particular way. You have no right to do so. They can invite or exclude anybody they want. Quote We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
M.Dancer Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 shouldn't English Canada have an idea what kind of Leader of the Opposition Duceppe will be?Slow down. You are attributing an obligation on the networks to broadcast debates in a particular way. You have no right to do so. They can invite or exclude anybody they want. I'm as slow as I'm going to get. I'm responding to this: Elizabeth May has more reason to be involved in the English debate than Duceppe does. I say clearly that Duceppe, being a potential Opposition leader has more reason ...... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Charles Anthony Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 I say clearly that Duceppe, being a potential Opposition leader has more reason ......... not if Elizabeth May can pull in higher ratings and more viewers. Quote We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
betsy Posted April 16, 2007 Author Report Posted April 16, 2007 I say clearly that Duceppe, being a potential Opposition leader has more reason ......... not if Elizabeth May can pull in higher ratings and more viewers. So networks are doing this because of ratings? I thought it's for public service....being a federal election and all.... Maybe the debate should be broadcasted by the taxpayers-funded network. Exclusively. Quote
M.Dancer Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 I say clearly that Duceppe, being a potential Opposition leader has more reason ......... not if Elizabeth May can pull in higher ratings and more viewers. Seriously....May has as much ratings pull as a Rita MacNeil Bikini contest...... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
ScottSA Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 I say clearly that Duceppe, being a potential Opposition leader has more reason ......... not if Elizabeth May can pull in higher ratings and more viewers. Seriously....May has as much ratings pull as a Rita MacNeil Bikini contest...... She's more known now. Rite must have lost weight. Quote
Martin Chriton Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 shouldn't English Canada have an idea what kind of Leader of the Opposition Duceppe will be?Slow down. You are attributing an obligation on the networks to broadcast debates in a particular way. You have no right to do so. They can invite or exclude anybody they want. Not exactly. They can propose changes to the debates. If they propose to make the debates one sided etc, the other party leaders simply wouldn't show up. The participation in the debates need to be done in a fair and equitable manner. Not by inviting those that can provide the most entertainment value. But you do have a point that if each leader was allowed to bring in a "fan," it might be more entertaining. They could call it the comedy debate, where they debate by proxy. Dion would bring in May, Layton could probably convince the marijuana party to support him, etc. Quote
gc1765 Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 So, why should she be included in an election debate that is meant for candidates running to be Prime Minister? Duceppe is not running for Prime Minister either. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Michael Bluth Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 But you do have a point that if each leader was allowed to bring in a "fan," it might be more entertaining. They could call it the comedy debate, where they debate by proxy. Dion would bring in May, Layton could probably convince the marijuana party to support him, etc. Duceppe could bring in Rene Levesque's corpse. Harper could bring in Ralph Klein - who's rumoured to be off the wagon so there better be lot's of beer. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
M.Dancer Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 So, why should she be included in an election debate that is meant for candidates running to be Prime Minister? Duceppe is not running for Prime Minister either. But under a PR system, he could become one...... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
gc1765 Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 But under a PR system, he could become one...... How? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
M.Dancer Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 The usual way. In fact the same way the Bloc became the official oppossition. They get a greater percentage of votes than the rest....lets say with PR a new anti ottawa party emerges in the west and canibilizes the conservative vote....and on the left the greens, the pinks, the pacifist and the tofu party gobble up the NDP and liberal votes....but in Quebec the bloc manages to get a majority of quebec votes..... Say it looked like this We Hate Ottawa Party (WHOP) 13% CPC 13% Libertarian Party of Canada 2% Canadian Action Party 4% Liberal Party of Canada 13% Christian Coalition 4% Islamic Dancing Party 2% NDP 10% Greens 9% Pinks 7% Pacifist 5% Tofu 4% Bloc Quebecois 14% Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Remiel Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N Also, if I remember correctly, there is a hidden beauty in the Canadian political system which would prevent that from ever happening. I believe it is that the Governor General can ask someone else to run the government in certain circumstances, for which the Bloc " winning " would easily qualify. Quote
gc1765 Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 The usual way. In fact the same way the Bloc became the official oppossition. They get a greater percentage of votes than the rest....lets say with PR a new anti ottawa party emerges in the west and canibilizes the conservative vote....and on the left the greens, the pinks, the pacifist and the tofu party gobble up the NDP and liberal votes....but in Quebec the bloc manages to get a majority of quebec votes.....Say it looked like this We Hate Ottawa Party (WHOP) 13% CPC 13% Libertarian Party of Canada 2% Canadian Action Party 4% Liberal Party of Canada 13% Christian Coalition 4% Islamic Dancing Party 2% NDP 10% Greens 9% Pinks 7% Pacifist 5% Tofu 4% Bloc Quebecois 14% That has nothing to do with PR. With that list of parties, the Bloc could just as easily win with our current system. ...and with those parties running, it could just as easily be the Green Party winning as the Bloc. May could theoretically become PM too, and I'm sure she has more of an interest in become PM than Duceppe. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
M.Dancer Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 The usual way. In fact the same way the Bloc became the official oppossition. They get a greater percentage of votes than the rest....lets say with PR a new anti ottawa party emerges in the west and canibilizes the conservative vote....and on the left the greens, the pinks, the pacifist and the tofu party gobble up the NDP and liberal votes....but in Quebec the bloc manages to get a majority of quebec votes..... Say it looked like this We Hate Ottawa Party (WHOP) 13% CPC 13% Libertarian Party of Canada 2% Canadian Action Party 4% Liberal Party of Canada 13% Christian Coalition 4% Islamic Dancing Party 2% NDP 10% Greens 9% Pinks 7% Pacifist 5% Tofu 4% Bloc Quebecois 14% That has nothing to do with PR. With that list of parties, the Bloc could just as easily win with our current system. ...and with those parties running, it could just as easily be the Green Party winning as the Bloc. May could theoretically become PM too, and I'm sure she has more of an interest in become PM than Duceppe. It has everything to do with PR. With PR the votes for a wingnut party count. And true May could in theory become PM, but not likely where as in the 1993 election, 49% of Quebecers voted for the bloc giving them 13.52% of the popular vote. In our current system of first past the post, the diluted percentages would not guarentee any of the 1 digit parties seats. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
gc1765 Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 It has everything to do with PR. With PR the votes for a wingnut party count. And true May could in theory become PM, but not likely where as in the 1993 election, 49% of Quebecers voted for the bloc giving them 13.52% of the popular vote. In our current system of first past the post, the diluted percentages would not guarentee any of the 1 digit parties seats. In PR, there is usually a minimum number of votes required for seats. Using the results of the last election, I believe only the CPC, LPoC, Bloc, NDP and Greens would get seats. If you want to make up random numbers instead, you could just as easily put the Greens in first. Not that I support PR, I think there are much better systems. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
M.Dancer Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 It has everything to do with PR. With PR the votes for a wingnut party count. And true May could in theory become PM, but not likely where as in the 1993 election, 49% of Quebecers voted for the bloc giving them 13.52% of the popular vote. In our current system of first past the post, the diluted percentages would not guarantee any of the 1 digit parties seats. In PR, there is usually a minimum number of votes required for seats. Using the results of the last election, I believe only the CPC, LPoC, Bloc, NDP and Greens would get seats. If you want to make up random numbers instead, you could just as easily put the Greens in first. Not that I support PR, I think there are much better systems. Yes but we are Canadians, we can reinvent the wheel, what is usually done somewhere else has no bearing on how we can confuse it...mein gott.....we can even incorporate gender and racial quotas so that in the end our gvt could resemble the Italian Parliament, but without the inconvenient efficiency,...... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
White Doors Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 I think it's time they are oncluded in the debates. Why not? It might help them modernize their politics. Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
ScottSA Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 I think it's time they are oncluded in the debates. Why not? It might help them modernize their politics. I don't think debates are a good venue for the GP yet. All that debates are good for is to create soundbytes and hammer them home, not to dissect a platform. I'm not even sure the dippers should be included, given their tendency to be single issue. I still cringe thinking back to Audrey McLaughlin bleating "American style healthcare" over and over and over in one pre-election debate, or Layton's "getem'whilethey'rehot" used car salesman's routine in pleading for the electorate to "lend us your vote" for no other reason than just because. Seems to me the Green Party has to explain their platform a bit more first. Especially their economic platform. Quote
betsy Posted April 18, 2007 Author Report Posted April 18, 2007 So, why should she be included in an election debate that is meant for candidates running to be Prime Minister? Duceppe is not running for Prime Minister either. Oh? I know he's been vocal about his priorities being Quebec....but is he endorsing anyone among the other leaders for prime minister? May is endorsing Dion. Quote
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