B. Max Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 Another reason the left should never have their hands on the levers of power. http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2...2713.shtml?s=lh Quote
newbie Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 Another reason Bush shouldn't have gone to war. Quote
B. Max Posted April 16, 2007 Author Report Posted April 16, 2007 Another reason Bush shouldn't have gone to war. Yeah he should have done nothing like Clinton did and then we'd have more 911's to talk about. Quote
Guthrie Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 Another reason Bush shouldn't have gone to war. Another reason Bush had to start a campaign of lies to get America into war. Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
gc1765 Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 Yeah he should have done nothing like Clinton did and then we'd have more 911's to talk about. Except that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11... Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 Except that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11... Didn't have to....it was American foreign policy and Public Law to overthrow Saddam Hussein long before Dubya or 9/11: Gulf War I No Fly zones UN sanctions Iraq Liberation Act Desert Fox Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
newbie Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 Yeah, but notice no one illegally invaded Iraq until Dubya came along. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 Yeah, but notice no one illegally invaded Iraq until Dubya came along. False...American and UK Special Forces, tactical aircraft, and cruise missiles invaded Iraq illegally and often before "Dubya came along". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
gc1765 Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 Didn't have to....it was American foreign policy and Public Law to overthrow Saddam Hussein long before Dubya or 9/11:Gulf War I No Fly zones UN sanctions Iraq Liberation Act Desert Fox So I take it you are agreeing with my response to B. Max? If you acknowledge that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, then you acknowledge that we wouldn't "have more 9/11's to talk about"? And presumably if you agree with that much, you will agree that the Iraq war was not justified? And a waste of money? Money that could have gone towards a tax cut re: the opening post? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
newbie Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 Yeah, but notice no one illegally invaded Iraq until Dubya came along. False...American and UK Special Forces, tactical aircraft, and cruise missiles invaded Iraq illegally and often before "Dubya came along". Well, let's get more specific. No one was in Iraq to take Saddam out before Bushy. Quote
B. Max Posted April 16, 2007 Author Report Posted April 16, 2007 Yeah he should have done nothing like Clinton did and then we'd have more 911's to talk about. Except that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11... Iraq is one part of the war on terror. Quote
gc1765 Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 Iraq is one part of the war on terror. That's a very vauge statement. Either Iraq was a threat or it was not. If you agree it was not a threat, then you probably agree with the rest of my post above. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 Well, let's get more specific. No one was in Iraq to take Saddam out before Bushy. False....Operation Desert Fox was executed in 1998 specifically to decapitate Saddam's regime. CIA and Special Forces targeted Saddam before Bush was elected. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GostHacked Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 I don't see how the DEMS are at fault here. The Democrats did not approve of the 2003 tax cuts. The senate and congress was by majority, Republican. The Dems are saying the tax cuts BUSH made, may need to expire. There was a double whammy here. Tax cuts, then War on Terror. People are paying less tax to the government on top of the current administration spending money like there is no tomorrow to fight this new war on Terror.. So that is a double shot of goodness the Democrats are to blame for. Ugh. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 That's a very vauge statement. Either Iraq was a threat or it was not. If you agree it was not a threat, then you probably agree with the rest of my post above. Iraq was a threat before the "War on Terror".....even Canada helped to strangle the threat in Iraq long before Bush was elected. Iraq was one stop shopping for a host of US interests in the region. PMs Blair and Howard agreed. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
gc1765 Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 I don't see how the DEMS are at fault here. The Democrats did not approve of the 2003 tax cuts. The senate and congress was by majority, Republican. The Dems are saying the tax cuts BUSH made, may need to expire. There was a double whammy here. Tax cuts, then War on Terror. People are paying less tax to the government on top of the current administration spending money like there is no tomorrow to fight this new war on Terror.. So that is a double shot of goodness the Democrats are to blame for. Ugh. Not to mention that these tax cuts will be paid for by their children/grandchildren etc... Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
gc1765 Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 Iraq was a threat before the "War on Terror".....even Canada helped to strangle the threat in Iraq long before Bush was elected. Iraq was one stop shopping for a host of US interests in the region. PMs Blair and Howard agreed. A threat to who? and how? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 A threat to who? and how? Kuwait Oman Qatar Kurds "Marsh" Arabs Israel Jordan ...see UNSCOM and IAEA for the "how". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
gc1765 Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 KuwaitOman Qatar Kurds "Marsh" Arabs Israel Jordan ...see UNSCOM and IAEA for the reasons. Do you believe that the purpose of the Iraq war was to help these people? And secondly, do you think it was worth it? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 Do you believe that the purpose of the Iraq war was to help these people? And secondly, do you think it was worth it? No, the purpose of the "Iraq war" was to overthrow Saddam Hussein, expand regional control around Iran, head off French and Russian oil development, modernize oil production infrastucture for easily recovered crude, and implement the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive military force for consolidation of American hegemony in a post Cold War world. The reasons were economic and geo-political.. as are the reasons for most wars. "Helping people" is a quaint notion that may be a by-product of the war...except for the dead, maimed, and their families. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
gc1765 Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 No, the purpose of the Iraq war was to overthrow Saddam Hussein, expand regional control around Iran, head off French and Russian oil development, modernize oil production infrastucture for easily recovered crude, and implement the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive military force for consolidation of American hegemony in a post Cold War world.The reasons were economic and geo-political. "Helping people" is a quaint notion that may be a by-product of the war...except for the dead and maimed. Well, I think I can honestly say that this is the first time I have heard a right-winger say that the Iraq war was primarily about oil. So why is oil more expensive now? Shouldn't it be at least $400 Billion cheaper in order for the U.S. to be getting their money worth? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 Well, I think I can honestly say that this is the first time I have heard a right-winger say that the Iraq war was primarily about oil.So why is oil more expensive now? Shouldn't it be at least $400 Billion cheaper in order for the U.S. to be getting their money worth? $400 billion over the past 4 years is chump change to a $13 trillion annual economy that would pay far more for a repeat of the 1970's or well financed weapons in the hands of enemies. As a percentage of GDP, the Iraq war is not only an affordable way to corner easily recovered oil, but also maintain control over an entire region of easily recovered oil that the world demands in ever increasing bpd's. China, India, and Japan don't seem to be protesting too much, eh? That's because the high price of oil will always be less than the price of no oil at all. Do "left wingers" not consume oil? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
gc1765 Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 $400 billion over the past 4 years is chump change to a $13 trillion annual economy that would pay far more for a repeat of the 1970's. So who exactly is benefitting from this? The American people who are paying more for oil? And how come Bush never said it was about oil, are you calling Bush a liar (well ok, that much is obvious)? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 So who exactly is benefitting from this? The American people who are paying more for oil? And how come Bush never said it was about oil, are you calling Bush a liar (well ok, that much is obvious)? It's not just oil...it's one stop shopping for a host of geopolitical things and all the trimmings too. Who is benefitting? Hmmmmm....let's see....CANADA! Gas is still cheaper than Diet Coke. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GostHacked Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 A threat to who? and how? Kuwait Oman Qatar Kurds "Marsh" Arabs Israel Jordan ...see UNSCOM and IAEA for the "how". I don't see United States anywhere in that list. However, I do see some United States 'interests' in that list. Big difference. Quote
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