Who Should Lead A New Conservative Party

[PIK]

The conservative scott reid or the one that brought down martin with one stupid remark?

[Machjo]

The conservative scott reid or the one that brought down martin with one stupid remark?

What do you mean?

[Machjo]

Ah yes, I mean the Conservative Scott Reid. I know little of the Liberal one.

[Machjo]

Actually, Scott Reid's book Lament for a Nation helped to make me more open to Conservatism in principle. Prior to that, I was totally closed to it.

[Machjo]

Then again, Scott Reid is more of a Libertarian than a Conservative.

[PIK]

So is harper. But todays politics makes it hard to be want you want to be to stay in power. The canadian voter does not like the truth.

[Machjo]

Harper is hardly a Libertarian. He has publicly lambasted them once. Scott Reid is libertarian enough that he has had to vote against his party on a few bills.

[Machjo]

Ironically enough, though I'd rarely vote Conservative, Scott Reid would likely be my first choice over other parties if he were in my riding in spite of his being a Conservative.

[G Huxley]

Where's the option Joe Clark?

[Argus]

Where's the option Joe Clark?

You have to be conservative, which pretty much lets Clark out.

[G Huxley]

He's too old to be a conservative or something?

[Vancouver King]

Clark taught Political Science at U of A, Edmonton, in 1963. I remember him as a decent, progressive young man who could easily have found a comfortable home with the Liberals.

[waldo]

You have to be conservative, which pretty much lets Clark out.

you can't be progressive... and a conservative? Will the PC party emerge from the ashes of the CPC?

[Argus]

you can't be progressive... and a conservative? Will the PC party emerge from the ashes of the CPC?

Clark wasn't conservative in any way, shape or form. He had no conservative beliefs whatsoever.

[Big Guy]

There is a pretty good chance that Harper will not continue as PM be it a CPC minority, majority or opposition. But Harper loyalists need not worry:

http://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2014/10/28/doug_ford_considering_a_run_for_progressive_conservative_leadership.html

Doug Ford is considering running for leadership of the Federal Conservative Party. He says "I'd put my experience up against Trudeau or Mulcair any day of the year."

Besides, Doug would have the wise counsel of his brother Bob Ford, who as mayor of Toronto had a profound effect on that city. It must be comforting to those far right leaning Canadians that they have a deep bullpen if the leaders ever falter. The moderate conservatives or the Progressive Conservatives (where most of my support rests) would not be pleased with the Ford Nation having national influence.

Edited August 22, 2015 by Big Guy

[waldo]

Clark wasn't conservative in any way, shape or form. He had no conservative beliefs whatsoever.

and Harper's "conservative" beliefs (validated with successful results), social or otherwise, are what?

.

[Vancouver King]

Before I endorse Doug Ford, or his brother Rob, I want to know what was discussed between Stephen Harper and Rob Ford during those fishing trips on Harrington Lake.

[TheOneYouLoveToHate]

Better question: what are "conservatives" trying to conserve?

[Argus]

Better question: what are "conservatives" trying to conserve?

Peace, order and good government.

[G Huxley]

Peace, we've been in multiple wars under the conservatives and had attacks domestically. Order look at all the trials going on. Good government, I"m not sure how you figure.

[Argus]

Peace, we've been in multiple wars under the conservatives and had attacks domestically. Order look at all the trials going on. Good government, I"m not sure how you figure.

We haven't been in a war since Afghanistan, which the Liberals got us into. The NDP did want us to go into the Sudan, though...

Peace means peace at home, in case you didn't recognize the phrase. Order means just that. Order in the streets and in our culture. Good government, meh, it's a pretty low bar to surpass the ones which came before them, but they manage it fairly easily. I'd say the last decent government before them was probably Pearson.

[G Huxley]

Hello Libya, Syria, Iraq.

"Peace means peace at home,"

Haven't had it either. The first domestic Islamist attacks in memory. Bil C-51 etc.

"Order in the streets and in our culture.

You must have missed the Vancouver Hockey riots or the 1 billion dollars spent on one day's 'security' to guard the G20.

"Good government, meh, it's a pretty low bar to surpass the ones which came before them, but they manage it fairly easily."

They sold off our resources to foreign countries, pushed free trade pacts which will screw us for years, suppressed scientists and science, and corruption is rife in Ottawa, many charges having been set, convictions found and trials under way.

Edited August 24, 2015 by G Huxley

[Argus]

Hello Libya, Syria, Iraq.

"Peace means peace at home,"

Haven't had it either. The first domestic Islamist attacks in memory. Bil C-51 etc.

Uhm, so you criticize him for a terrorist attack, and then you criticize him for tightening the laws to try and prevent terrorist attacks.

[cybercoma]

This poll is missing Doug Ford, the clear heir to the throne.

[G Huxley]

Yes Harper wanted the attack and his bellicose us vs. them statements and actions ensured it. Why did he want it and act so recklessly? The answer is obvious: to get re-elected.

It was obvious that that was exactly what Harper was trying to get at the time and I said it at the time.

The intention of Bill-C51 is not to protect from future attacks. It's to turn Canada down the road to authoritarianism like the Patriot Act did in the States. The idea of Bill-C51 is modelled on the Orwellian patriot act. Like the Patriot Act it was used to draw in the opposition party to be forced to sign on to it or look unpatriotic, just as Goering after the war stated was a surefire way of subverting Democracy. So the opposition parties signed onto it and looked foolish and weak to the electorate as intended. If he wanted to stop future attacks all he had to do is play it cool like previous Prime Ministers had done with success.

Harper is a Machiavellian creep and traitor. He is willing to do harm to our country in order to get re-elected. He should be in a mental institute like his friends the Ford brothers rather than anywhere near power.

Edited August 25, 2015 by G Huxley