President Bush Insults Canada Again

[BayLee]

God what an insulting moron.Remember how when bush was willing to let American jets crash all over the continent but it was Canada who came to the resue allowing all these too dangerous to land in America planes land in Canada.

Then moron didnt even say thanks.

Remember an American pilot disregarding orders TWICE then bombing and murdering 4 Canadian soldiers and moron didnt even say a word about it?

Now today,moron is angry because not enough NATO countries are doing enough in Afghanistan then goes on to thank the countries who are contributing in Afghanistan.

Well except the country who is paying the biggest price...Canada..

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In telling the world that the Afghanis have “a lot of friends’’ in the world, Bush lauded contributions made by such players as Bulgaria, Lithuania, the Czech Republic, Iceland and Norway and he mentioned the efforts of the British who are engaged in the most intense fighting in south along with Canadians.

But the omission of Ottawa was notable, particularly since the Harper government has banked on the 2,500 Canadian soldiers fighting in Afghanistan to help raise Canada’s profile as a partner in the war on terror here.

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What a lieing criminal moron he is

[geoffrey]

This could have fit into many other threads that your spewing into. Please limit the propagation of your rants, your also violating forum rules:

INSULTS

Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).

Calling Bush a moron is a violation of the rules.

Merci.

[Riverwind]

But the omission of Ottawa was notable, particularly since the Harper government has banked on the 2,500 Canadian soldiers fighting in Afghanistan to help raise Canada’s profile as a partner in the war on terror here.

Bush does not speak for all Americans:

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireSto...=2878698&page=2

On Capitol Hill, House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Tom Lantos, D-Calif., said NATO commanders should not have to beg for troops from countries like Germany, France, Italy and Spain.

"It is an outrage that only troops from the United States, Canada, the Netherlands, Denmark and the United Kingdom are deployed to the most hazardous spots," Lantos said.

[BayLee]

Calling Bush a moron is a violation of the rules.

The world calls bush a moron.

Interesting though.44 Canadians have died in Afghanistan trying to clean up an American mess.

bush totally disregards Canadas contribution and all you have to say is..

calling bush a moron is against the rules?????

[Riverwind]

Interesting though.44 Canadians have died in Afghanistan trying to clean up an American mess.

Afghanistan was a international coalition from the beginning. Virtually every country accepted the need to invade and depose the Taliban and uproot Al Qaeda.

calling bush a moron is against the rules?????

Yes. This forum is for people that want to have a reasonable discussion. If you want to call Bush a moron go to rabble.ca (incidentally, i do agree with your assessment of the man's intellect - i just recognize that saying so contributes nothing to the discussion).

[BayLee]

Afghanistan was a international coalition from the beginning. Virtually every country accepted the need to invade and depose the Taliban and uproot Al Qaeda.

Excuse me??

It indeed is an American mess.

The Americans helped create the Taliban because they were upset the Russians had the gall to invade and occupy a foriegn country,Afghanistan ( how ironic is that?)

Bin Laden was a creation of the CIA,having funded and trained him on the fine art of gourilla warfare

Canada is now cleaning up the American mess

[BubberMiley]

I may be wrong, but my interpretation of the forum rules is that you aren't supposed to call fellow posters morons (i.e., play the ball, not the man). If the President of the U.S. talks and acts like a moron, that is a political issue that is worthy of discussion. If you, Geoffrey, are a moron, that is your own business and irrelevant to the forum debate, and therefore off limits.

[BayLee]

Well said BM.

And speaking of violating rules.

It seems some people take exception to calling a well known moron a moron but yet this is OK...

"The better thread title would be 'Why is baylee such an idiot'?

just a thought."

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=8074

[guyser]

It seems some people take exception to calling a well known moron a moron but yet this is OK...

"The better thread title would be 'Why is baylee such an idiot'?

One of the above sentences is true , so really one of them is NOT against the rules.

Lets see...Bush...BayLee....Bush ....BayLee

..and the question is.....?

"what has six letters Alex?"

[BayLee]

Gee,still waiting to read where someone says what a moron bush is for ignoring Canadas contribution( deaths and expense) for helping to clean up the mess America has made

[Riverwind]

If the President of the U.S. talks and acts like a moron, that is a political issue that is worthy of discussion. If you, Geoffrey, are a moron, that is your own business and irrelevant to the forum debate, and therefore off limits.

From the forum rules:

Insults levelled at third-parties (companies, political parties, nationalities) are also forbidden in the forums.

That includes politicians.

[myata]

I think this forum would lose much of its appeal if one won"t be able to call an idiot his (or her) proper name. The question is, as was rightfully pointed out by another poster, is whether using the term is reasonable in the context of the discussion, or gratuitous (i.e. has no relevance or reason other than to offend).

Now we can argue (or even vote) whether the person in question does, in fact, qualify as a moron. However, it would be beyond the point. The real question is whether applying the term in the context of this thread can be considered as reasonable (ie. having a point, even if, ultimately, being incorrect), or gratuitous. My own take would be that given the extent of this country"s involvment in Afganistan, and the casualties suffered, the act in question does have certain attributes of being moronic - on the level of international policy, that is. The final word rests with the moderator, of course.

[BubberMiley]

And to what extent would you apply these rules? Would it be against forum rules to say the Liberal party is a bunch of thieves in response to the sponsorship scandal? Half the posts on this forum could be construed as insulting to someone or other.

[ft.niagara]

I think moron is too strong a word for Bush. Genius no, Moron no. He is certainly above average in mental ability, but probably below average in social skills for a person in his position. Sometimes these things can be corrected with handlers, as was the case with Clinton. Gergan was his handler. In the early months of his Presidency he held up a whole airport because he had his hair cut on the airplane. The firing of the White House staff was another early goof. Bush does not seem to have a handler who can help him with propriety. It certainly is a mine field, propriety that is.

For Ms. BayLee to call someone a moron only speaks poorly of her sense of propriety.

[Remiel]

Why is it that someone calling Bush a moron is a big deal, yet when some people on these boards make absolutely disgusting comments and you guys don't take a stand then?

[Wilber]

Calling Bush a moron is a violation of the rules.

The world calls bush a moron.

Interesting though.44 Canadians have died in Afghanistan trying to clean up an American mess.

bush totally disregards Canadas contribution and all you have to say is..

calling bush a moron is against the rules?????

And of course you speak for the world.

If you were one of those trying to clean up the mess you would have some credibility. According to those who are and post on this forum, they believe in what they are doing and couldn't do it without the resources the Americans provide. Bush may be a bit of a disaster as a President but no one can get to that position who is a moron. I understand he is quite charming in a social atmosphere.

[Greg]

If the President of the U.S. talks and acts like a moron, that is a political issue that is worthy of discussion. If you, Geoffrey, are a moron, that is your own business and irrelevant to the forum debate, and therefore off limits.

Nope the rules are clear, any insults (whether at members of the forums, or at third-parties) are against the rules. Honestly, what does calling anyone an moron accomplish? It certainly doesn't improve your argument. Insults are easy to use, the hard part is explaining your position without using a bunch of four letter words.

And speaking of violating rules.

It seems some people take exception to calling a well known moron a moron but yet this is OK...

"The better thread title would be 'Why is baylee such an idiot'?

It isn't ok, and that member has been warned. Two wrongs don't make a right, and don't assume that I haven't warned someone for using an insult in another thread.

I think this forum would lose much of its appeal if one won"t be able to call an idiot his (or her) proper name.

Nope, there is never a good reason to use an insult. This rule is one of the many things that separates this forum from nearly every other forum on the Internet.

And to what extent would you apply these rules? Would it be against forum rules to say the Liberal party is a bunch of thieves in response to the sponsorship scandal? Half the posts on this forum could be construed as insulting to someone or other.

It's a simple concept, don't use insults... How much more clear could this rule be?

[BayLee]

Why is it that someone calling Bush a moron is a big deal, yet when some people on these boards make absolutely disgusting comments and you guys don't take a stand then?

I am still in shock that people think calling bush a moron as he is widely known as is a big deal but yet here he completly ignores Canadas contribution to Afghanistan and our 44 dead soldiers and no one thinks that is a big deal at all

[Canadian Blue]

I don't, and I'm part of the military. The way I interpeted the comment's was that countries such as Germany, France, and Spain, should start pulling more of their weight and contribute in the southern region of Afghanistan. Something Canada has been calling for.

[BayLee]

Hmm, I see the title of this thread has been changed???

I don't, and I'm part of the military. The way I interpeted the comment's was that countries such as Germany, France, and Spain, should start pulling more of their weight and contribute in the southern region of Afghanistan. Something Canada has been calling for.

Well YOU INTERPRETED WRONG

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In his speech to the conservative American Enterprise Institute yesterday, Bush mentioned a litany of smaller players, such as Bulgaria, Lithuania, the Czech Republic, Iceland and Norway, as those who have recently stepped up their contribution, but not Canada

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National security spokesperson calls his failure to credit Canada in speech `an oversight'

Feb 16, 2007 04:30 AM

Tim Harper

WASHINGTON BUREAU

WASHINGTON–The White House admitted yesterday that U.S. President George W. Bush's failure to mention Canada's contribution to Afghanistan during an hour-long speech – in which he spoke of the need for more NATO troops – was "an oversight."

??????????????????????????

Then you have the proven liar MacKay refer to bush ignoring Canada by refering to it as a .....

""small error."

A small error???

44 Canadians have died trying to correct Americas mess and MacKay thinks it is a small error they are not thanked,or even mentioned?

""It's not an offence," MacKay said of Bush's choice not to single out Canada."'

It sure as hell is an offence

Then we have this little juicy thing...

"MacKay said U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is "always" complimenting Canada for the Canadian Forces' role in southern Afghanistan,"

After MacKay was publicly humilliated by Belinda it is now obvious MacKay has his sights on bedding rice and it is no wonder he would make that remark

[Cameron]

So all of a sudden you care what Bush has to say about Canada.

And BayLee, your comments are childish at best....

[BayLee]

So all of a sudden you care what bush has to say about Canada.

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I do when Canadians are dieing because of American meddling in world affairs and bush doesnt even have the decency(not that he has any) to respect Canadas contribution to Afghanistan

[geoffrey]

I do when Canadians are dieing because of American meddling in world affairs and bush doesnt even have the decency(not that he has any) to respect Canadas contribution to Afghanistan

Meddling in world affairs? Not that the terrorists harboured in Afghanistan had anything to do with an attack on the United States? An attack that our obligations under the NATO treaty force us to defend at worst, and to end an despotic terorrist regime that had threatened our national interests at best.

[Catchme]

The apologists for Bush do not have a leg to stand on in this matter. It is a huge deal that he did not mention Canada. No excuses are acceptable, This is NOT the first time he has done the same thing over our military in Afghanistan.

Not only have Canadian soldiers died, they have also been killed by US friendly fire, it seems some have forgotten this from the early days when we were there.

The USA rushed out of Afghanistan, and kept minimal troops there, to illegally invade Iraq based upon lies.

Afghanistan was NO threat to Canada's security, and Canada should have left when the US called the hunt for Osama off in 2003.

There can be no greater proof that Bush cares not who is doing what, as long he and his family and his admin can garner more wealth and power, through lies, crimes against humanity, and using other peoples and nations.

[Canadian Blue]

Well YOU INTERPRETED WRONG

So no mention of Canada was made, thus he really didn't bash us simply forgot about us right? As well he mentioned small players, Canada isn't a small player.

After MacKay was publicly humilliated by Belinda it is now obvious MacKay has his sights on bedding rice and it is no wonder he would make that remark

What, does anybody that complements Canada plan on nailing Peter Mackay in the future.

44 Canadians have died trying to correct Americas mess and MacKay thinks it is a small error they are not thanked,or even mentioned?

American's, Brits, and the Dutch, are all working alongside us.

Baylee do you have anything to add to this debate besides inane comment's which do nothing but bring down the quality of this forum.