"Israel must be wiped off the map"

[PolyNewbie]

JerrySeinfeld:Armegeddon is the necessary precursor for the coming of the 12th Imam, something in which Ahmedinejad believes strongly

Thats probably because there are two carrier groups off his coast.

[PolyNewbie]

scribblet:The Israeli strategist and former intelligence officer said Iran believes it could destroy the Jewish state with one nuclear weapon.

That sounds like a conspiracy theory. Do you have any proof ?

[PolyNewbie]

JerrySeinfeld: We are not dealing with a sane dude here and generally a group of people who like to blow themselves up.

Do you think they are crazy or is it because their skin is a different color ? I suppose anything but desperation could cause that.

[Black Dog]

Possibly but not necessarily.

Same goes for you, n'est pas?

(a) We are not dealing with a sane dude here and generally a group of people who like to blow themselves up.

Who? Iranians? Can you name me some Iranian suicide bombers?

The problem with retaliating might be the $500 per barrel of oil it would create.

I don't think Israel would give a shit.

Armegeddon is the necessary precursor for the coming of the 12th Imam, something in which Ahmedinejad believes strongly.

So what? Iran isn't a one-man show, like Iraq was. The head of state and the military is not the president but the Supreme Leader. And, as I've said on many occassions before, the mullahs and petty dictators who make up the Iranian government love power too much to let some backwoods hick throw it all away in a nuclear fireball. Ol' Mahmoud will be at the bottom of the strait of Hormuz before that happens.

Scribblet:

JERUSALEM — Iran's nuclear program seeks first-strike capability against Israel, a leading strategist said.

The Israeli strategist and former intelligence officer said Iran believes it could destroy the Jewish state with one nuclear weapon.

"Iranians believe that it holds, may hold, a first strike capability against Israel once it has a nuclear capability," said Shmuel Bar, director of studies at the Institute of Police and Strategy.

Dr. Shmuel Bar, director of studies at the Institute of Policy and Strategy in Herzliya, Israel. Herzliyaconference.org

Iran believes "that Israel is a one-bomb country, one bomb from the point-of-view of the receiving side; that the U.S. would not intervene against Iran under such conditions; and all of that with apocalyptic zeal may result in actual use of nuclear weapons," he said.

Sounds like a bunch of agitprop designed to whip up the same fears as the Chicken Littles and pave teh way for a military operation against Iran. Plus he later says:

Bar said Iran has studied the U.S. wars against the former Saddam Hussein regime in Iraq. The chief Iranian lesson was that only nuclear weapons could deter a U.S. attack.

"Nuclear weapons are strategic necessity for deterring the West and Israel and for achieving their strategic goals," Bar said. "Until they arrive at nuclear weapons, Iran's strategic deterrence must rely on terrorism and subversive potential."

[PolyNewbie]

Those poor Americans, always invading people and having such a hard time of it. When will people learn to lay down their weapons, line up, and be shot ?

[frogs]

Those poor Americans, always invading people and having such a hard time of it. When will people learn to lay down their weapons, line up, and be shot ?

Never. The everpresent jewish controlled american media promotes "patriotism" and global economic control. The public schools do the same. Protection of the "monopolistic" system is number one in media and schools. "To get a good job, get a good education"= (create a monopoly, and then steal fom everyone.)

Not just jews of course, lots of religious representation here. But the jewish religion is a big scam, and they know it. It's just a biz org. Perhaps, anyone has a right to believe what they want, but not to lie and scam other people. That's known as abuse, like when they bought little boys from strangers and sliced their weenies.

[frogs]

The good news is, if they all get killed, the war is over.

[Figleaf]

I don't know about 'barbarians', but the reason Israel has enemies is because it was imposed in a place where a large proportion of the population opposed it and since then it has involved further inroads against the self-percieved interests of people in that region. It's got nothing to do with being soft or contented, and more to do with radically opposed interests.

I disagree. A wealthy, capitalist state in the centre of the middle east is just what the Arabs need. Without the violence, Israel would be a beacon to the rest of the middle east, producing jobs and making large purchases from all its neighbours.

I agree with that economic analysis, but don't think it changes my point really, except to add that the radically opposed interests I refered to are each/all blinded to the full picture and reacting viscerally and at times based on bad-motives.

Hell, most of the Palestinians would be working if it weren't for the violence, as Israeli companies took advantage of the cheap, surrounding labour pool.

And they might be working on their own farms if Israel hadn't taken them.

Your reaction to that sentence will be immediate anger, I predict. Why? Because in all these discussions the unwarranted and serious wrongs done to the Palestinian people are the 'elephant in the dining-room'.

It is ignorance and religious fanaticism on the part of the surrounding Arabs which has produced this generations long violent struggle.

No, it is the ongoing failure to resolve the initial and continuing injustice that has, fatcually, been visited on the Palestinians.

[frogs]

If every Palestinian man married an Israeli woman, and Israeli men married Palestinian women, the children could be called Palraelians, and they'd all be free to kill whomever thay wish without being nationalist, religieists, or some other hateful handle. They no longer know who there enemy is and self-destruct.

[sharkman]

If every Palestinian man married an Israeli woman, and Israeli men married Palestinian women, the children could be called Palraelians, and they'd all be free to kill whomever thay wish without being nationalist, religieists, or some other hateful handle. They no longer know who there enemy is and self-destruct.

Wow. Maybe next you could focus your finely tuned analytical prowess on world hunger.

[GostHacked]

If every Palestinian man married an Israeli woman, and Israeli men married Palestinian women, the children could be called Palraelians, and they'd all be free to kill whomever thay wish without being nationalist, religieists, or some other hateful handle. They no longer know who there enemy is and self-destruct.

Wow. Maybe next you could focus your finely tuned analytical prowess on world hunger.

World Hunger? More like a problem with food distrobution (check your local grocery store for world hunger solutions). But alas that is another thread altogether!

[scribblet]

Well he's at it again, but I guess he's just really misunderstood.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3356154,00.html

srael and the United States will soon be destroyed, Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Tuesday during a meeting with Syria's foreign minister, the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB) website said in a report.

"Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad… assured that the United States and the Zionist regime of Israel will soon come to the end of their lives," the Iranian president was quoted as saying.

"Sparking discord among Muslims, especially between the Shiites and Sunnis, is a plot hatched by the Zionists and the US for dominating regional nations and looting their resources," Ahmadinejad added, according to the report.

The Iranian president also directly tied events in Lebanon to a wider plan aimed at Israel's destruction. He called on "regional countries" to "support the Islamic resistance of the Lebanese people and strive to enhance solidarity and unity among the different Palestinian groups in a bid to pave the ground for the undermining of the Zionist regime whose demise is, of course, imminent."

Ahmadinejad has threatened the State of Israel with annihilation several times in recent months, and has recently added the US and Britain to the list of countries he says will be destroyed.

[jbg]

But the jewish religion is a big scam, and they know it. It's just a biz org. Perhaps, anyone has a right to believe what they want, but not to lie and scam other people. That's known as abuse, like when they bought little boys from strangers and sliced their weenies.

What's your proof? I'm most interested. I'm a willing listener.

[kimmy]

CNN lied about what the president of Iran said, so did BBC. See first two entries on this thread for proof. (just to keep everyone on the same page)

You again omit to mention that Iran's own news agency was the first to offer the mistranslation:

According to your own article:

The inflammatory "wiped off the map" quote was first disseminated not by Iran's enemies, but by Iran itself. The Islamic Republic News Agency, Iran's official propaganda arm, used this phrasing in the English version of some of their news releases covering the World Without Zionism conference. International media including the BBC, Al Jazeera, Time magazine and countless others picked up the IRNA quote and made headlines out of it without verifying its accuracy, and rarely referring to the source. Iran's Foreign Minister soon attempted to clarify the statement, but the quote had a life of its own. Though the IRNA wording was inaccurate and misleading, the media assumed it was true, and besides, it made great copy.

Why is the Islamic Republic News Agency spreading inflammatory lies against Iran?

Is it because the Islamic Republic News Agency part of this Jewish Media Conspiracy??

Is Al Jazeera part of the conspiracy too?

-k

[Black Dog]

To describe the escalating drumbeat for war against Iran as a "Jewish conspiracy" is foolish, but not wholly without merit. The Jewish community is probably divided as anyone else on this issue. But the fact remains that there is a major effort underway to push Israel into war with Iran with or without America's permission and/or participation. How else to explain the apperance, in a major market U.S. newspaper, of an elaborate fantasy of a Second Holocaust penned by pre-imenent Israli hiustorian and ardent Zionist Benny Morris?* Or this. Or this?

There is, of course, rational reasons for this: Iran is Israel's main rival in the region.

A challenge to Israel's strategic primacy

*(Interestingly, the NY Sun article I linked to excludes a rather important point that appears in the JPost version of the same piece:

IN SHORT order, therefore, the incompetent leadership in Jerusalem would soon confront a doomsday scenario, either after launching their marginally effective conventional offensive or in its stead, of launching a preemptive nuclear strike against the Iranian nuclear program, some of whose components are in or near major cities. Would they have the stomach for this? Would their determination to save Israel extend to preemptively killing millions of Iranians and, in effect, destroying Iran?

)

I have to wonder if such musing by someone as highly regarded as Morris, an individual who has spoken favourably of ethnic cleansing and genocide, are really helpful to the cause of peace. If you were an Iranian reading that, Morris undoubtebly comes off as bonkers as Alhmijamadingdong does to western readers.

[frogs]

Wow. Maybe next you could focus your finely tuned analytical prowess on world hunger.

Sure. Cannabalism. Actually if we gave all the starving people food, then Israel could get them jobs, tax them, and create even more world hunger. No health care, though.

[Figleaf]

kimmy:As for the mistranslation itself... is "wiped off the map" really all that different from "vanish from the pages of time"? I don't see that big of a distinction, really.

One is the result of an activist intervention by something that 'wipes'. The other has no clear implication of agency or method.

[Black Dog]

kimmy:As for the mistranslation itself... is "wiped off the map" really all that different from "vanish from the pages of time"? I don't see that big of a distinction, really.

One is the result of an activist intervention by something that 'wipes'. The other has no clear implication of agency or method.

Good point. Viewed through that lense, Ahmaijamarammajamma's statements would match that of pro-Israel alarmists when they speak of the "demographic timebomb."