Figleaf Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 No the information is the same. You have decided to say the source of the information comes from "Zionists". It doesn't. No amount of your weaselling is going to help you. In post #84 you wrote: "The following comes from www,palestinefacts.com a Hamas internet site"[Emphases supplied.] So we're talking about the SITE, not the information. It's not a Hamas website. Why did you say that it is? Bottom line-you are a Zionist Figleaf. Admit it. Maybe. What's your definition of a Zionist? Quote
Figleaf Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 Who was the Arab's leader during this period (before WW2 and well beyond)? Which Arabs? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 what does it matter? So you don't know? but I do know who the CFR are -- and they have no connection to honesty nor decency nor truth -- no, I don't accept them as an authority to be cited on any subject - they are frauds lol...ok...why? ------------------------------------------------- The victory march will continue until the Palestinian flag flies in Jerusalem and in all of Palestine. ---Yasser Arafat Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 Which Arabs? Those in The Levant. --------------------------------------- Russians can give you arms but only the United States can give you a solution. ---Anwar Sadat Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Figleaf Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 Which Arabs?Those in The Levant. In that case, your question is problematic. I don't believe it's accurate to try to name a single leader of all the Arabs of the Levant at the time you've refered to. Quote
Guthrie Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 this thread is about Palestine, not Arabia Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
DogOnPorch Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 In that case, your question is problematic. I don't believe it's accurate to try to name a single leader of all the Arabs of the Levant at the time you've refered to. That's nice. His name was Mohammad Amin al-Husayni. His position was Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. His influence was such in the Muslim world that volunteers came from throughout the Middle-East, the Soviet Union and the Balkans to join his private SS-army operating in Yugoslavia...the 13th SS Handschar Division + other Muslim units with German officers. Their main foe was Tito's partisans...though Jews and Roma were also on the list. The Grand Mufti was also involved in the attempted Nazi coup in Iraq circa 1941...a multi talented man. Part of Hitler's inner circle and a personal friend of Himmler. Yasser Arafat was his nephew and served under him during the '48 War. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world. I asked Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the Jewish problem in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations and according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the handling of its Jews. The answer I got was: 'The Jews are yours.' --- Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Figleaf Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 In that case, your question is problematic. I don't believe it's accurate to try to name a single leader of all the Arabs of the Levant at the time you've refered to....His name was Mohammad Amin al-Husayni. His position was Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. Oh really? And what rationale leads you to characterize him as the leader of all levantine Arabs leading up to WWII? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 this thread is about Palestine, not Arabia Yep...the "Arabians" made sure that never happened. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guthrie Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 You guys too often confuse, 'cabalistic,' with, 'scatterbrained.' Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
DogOnPorch Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 Oh really? And what rationale leads you to characterize him as the leader of all levantine Arabs leading up to WWII? As well as being Grand Mufti, he was president of the Supreme Muslim Council as well as the World Islamic Congress (which he founded) and chairman of the Arab Higher Committee. Not to mention a full general in the Waffen-SS during the war. Wiki has a good overview... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husayni ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The SS, as such, behaved no more criminally than any other social groups would behave when taking part in political events. ---Obergruppenführer-SS Hans Frank Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Figleaf Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 Oh really? And what rationale leads you to characterize him as the leader of all levantine Arabs leading up to WWII? As well as being Grand Mufti, he was president of the Supreme Muslim Council as well as the World Islamic Congress (which he founded) and chairman of the Arab Higher Committee. ... No doubt he had all sorts of interesting credentials, but what makes you think he was the leader of all levantine Arabs leading up to WWII. In particular, I suggest you must be overlooking the territories outside of the Jerusalem region, where other leaders held sway. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 No doubt he had all sorts of interesting credentials, but what makes you think he was the leader of all levantine Arabs leading up to WWII. In particular, I suggest you must be overlooking the territories outside of the Jerusalem region, where other leaders held sway. You're just side-stepping the results at this point. He's a well known historical figure. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We are not Afghanistan...We are the Mighty People. Were they able to replace our hero Hajj Amin al-Husseini? ... There were a number of attempts to get rid of Hajj Amin, whom they considered an ally of the Nazis. But even so, he lived in Cairo, and participated in the 1948 war, and I was one of his troops. ---Yasser Arafat, 2002 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guthrie Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 this is just nonsense - it has nothing to do with the Israeli/Palestinian struggle Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
buffycat Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 Oh Woofie! CFR??? hahahahahahhaahhaahha! Quote "An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind" ~ Ghandi
scribblet Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 Sheez guys back to the topic.... Rue good work I kinda get the feeling that some people would blame Katrina on Israel, (probably a conspiracy theory out there somewhere on that) In an alternate universe, Arabs parties are completely without blame Israel is behind everything and completely at fault. Scribbling as usual I see! 'Anyone can speak Troll,' said Fred dismissively, 'all you have to do is point and grunt.' (Harry Potter) Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
DogOnPorch Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 this is just nonsense - it has nothing to do with the Israeli/Palestinian struggle Someone needs to read their history. ------------------------------------------------ First of all, Arafat is wrong. Jerusalem is Israel's capital, will never be divided, and will remain the capital of the State of Israel, the capital of the Jewish people, for ever and ever. ---Benjamin Netanyahu Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guthrie Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 this is just nonsense - it has nothing to do with the Israeli/Palestinian struggleSomeone needs to read their history. ------------------------------------------------ First of all, Arafat is wrong. Jerusalem is Israel's capital, will never be divided, and will remain the capital of the State of Israel, the capital of the Jewish people, for ever and ever. ---Benjamin Netanyahu Yes, you do. Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
DogOnPorch Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 Yeah...it really sucks when history doesn't mesh up with your rose coloured view of the "Palestinians". Their leader was a top Nazi...and his nephew who followed thought it was cool. 'Deal with it' as the saying goes. Or better yet...rewrite history for me. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Our law is a Jordanian law that we inherited, which applies to both the West Bank and Gaza, and sets the death penalty for those who sell land to Israelis. ---Yasser Arafat Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Figleaf Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 No doubt he had all sorts of interesting credentials, but what makes you think he was the leader of all levantine Arabs leading up to WWII. In particular, I suggest you must be overlooking the territories outside of the Jerusalem region, where other leaders held sway.You're just side-stepping the results at this point. He's a well known historical figure. It is you who is sidestepping. You said he was the leader of the Levantine Arabs, when in fact he was one leader among many. Quote
Guthrie Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 Yeah...it really sucks when history doesn't mesh up with your rose coloured view of the "Palestinians". Their leader was a top Nazi...and his nephew who followed thought it was cool. 'Deal with it' as the saying goes. Or better yet...rewrite history for me.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Our law is a Jordanian law that we inherited, which applies to both the West Bank and Gaza, and sets the death penalty for those who sell land to Israelis. ---Yasser Arafat no need for me to do a rewrite, you've rewritten more than it should be already Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
DogOnPorch Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 So...any sign of these other Palestinian/Arab leaders? Or do we simply take your word as proof? :D Sorry to burst your bubble...the Pallys have their modern roots in traditional Nazi-like anti-Semitism that was never stamped out during WW2. It was the Grand Mufti that rejected the 1939 White Paper even though it worked out best for the Arabs. It was the Grand Mufti that was chased out of the British Mandate only to end up at Hitler's side. It was the Grand Mufti that formed his army of Muslims under the banner of the Waffen-SS in order to aid in the Holocaust. It was the Grand Mufti that lead the call for war againsts the Israelis after rejecting the UN partition of 1947. But you're free to revise history...I suppose I would too if I was trying to make the Palestinians look like peaceful victims of "Zionist" ambitions. Face it...they hated the Jews long before there ever was an Israel. ----------------------------------------------- People do not want words - they want the sound of battle - the battle of destiny. ---Gamal Abdel Nasser Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 Oh...btw...the Jews of the region formed their own combat unit that fought in WW2. But they fought for the Allied cause in Italy with honors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Brigade ---------------------------------------------- Israel is still the only country in the world against which there is a written document to the effect that it must disappear. ---Menachem Begin Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jbg Posted April 22, 2007 Report Posted April 22, 2007 Oh...btw...the Jews of the region formed their own combat unit that fought in WW2. But they fought for the Allied cause in Italy with honors.Sometimes people have trouble forming the words to the effect that some groups are better than others. There are groups that contribute a disproportionate amount of the Nobel Prizes (link) and certain ones that contribute a disproportionate amount (separate links) of the guns and bombs in the world. Some people don't understand simple and eloquent comparisons. The contrast speaks for itself. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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