Outlawing smoking in the home

[BubberMiley]

If your kid ever comes to my daycare...and his eyes are rolling around like marbles around his head...I'll be giving your name and address to the busy-body group that wants to focus on "stoned parents!"

So yeah, I'd say you should be scared!

Like I said, I don't have kids, but I would never hotbox one if I did. That would be totally wrong, and weed isn't even a carcinogen.

[jefferiah]

If your kid ever comes to my daycare...and his eyes are rolling around like marbles around his head...I'll be giving your name and address to the busy-body group that wants to focus on "stoned parents!"

So yeah, I'd say you should be scared!

Like I said, I don't have kids, but I would never hotbox one if I did. That would be totally wrong, and weed isn't even a carcinogen.

Weed does contain carcinogens. Less variety of carcinogens than cigarettes yet there is a far great concentration of tar.

[BubberMiley]

Weed does contain carcinogens. Less variety of carcinogens than cigarettes yet there is a far great concentration of tar.

There have been no documented cases of anyone ever getting lung cancer from smoking weed. And on this forum, you have to conclusively, scientifically prove beyond any doubt whatsoever that something is the case before they even accept the possibility that it might be so.

And then they'll pull out some bullshit study that refutes it all anyway.

[jdobbin]

There have been no documented cases of anyone ever getting lung cancer from smoking weed. And on this forum, you have to conclusively, scientifically prove beyond any doubt whatsoever that something is the case before they even accept the possibility that it might be so.

And then they'll pull out some bullshit study that refutes it all anyway.

It is one thing I'd like to see more studies on. I know that there hasn't been a link to cancer and even a study to suggest that cancer might be lowered. I'd like to know why.

I personally think that it should be legalized although I don't really have a preference to use it recreationaly.

[gc1765]

The fact is there are NONE. The conclusions of lobby groups...like the EPA.... do not make a "medical study". They merely present an "opinion without basis".

I suggest that you start reading some of the literature you cite. There is NO medical study linking second hand smoke with any illness. That is a fact!

I already posted a link in this thread (on page 4) with references to studies that show there is a link.

[Posit]

I would suggest that you go back and follow the references you provided. They make opinions based on statisitical information and are not derived from bonifide medical studies.

There is NO medical study linking second hand smoke with any illness. That is a fact!

That is worth repeating.

[betsy]

If your kid ever comes to my daycare...and his eyes are rolling around like marbles around his head...I'll be giving your name and address to the busy-body group that wants to focus on "stoned parents!"

So yeah, I'd say you should be scared!

Like I said, I don't have kids,

Reminds me of the line in a movie, a convict serving hard time says "I didn't do anything." And the other character replied: yeah, sure... that's what they always say.

Anyway, why should I believe everything you say about yourself...same as why would you believe everything I say about me. For all we know, you're the daycare operator! And I'm the glue sniffer!

[theloniusfleabag]

There is NO medical study linking second hand smoke with any illness. That is a fact!

That is worth repeating.

I don't believe that there are any medical studies that show 'being thrown into a volcano as a human sacrifice' is bad for your health either, but that doesn't make it untrue.

[Posit]

Sure there are. It is called "It is the Fall the Kills You, Not the Sudden Stop at the Bottom" report.

However, we're not talking about volcanoes. We're discussing the effects of second-hand smoke that is plagued with emotional rhetoric and almost no fact. Yet if we were to outlaw alcohol or driving using the same argument you can bet that nearly three quarters of the Canadian population would be demanding proof!

Here is a fact for you:

I had an uncle who smoked 2 packs a day, a pack of colts a day and a pouch of pipe tobacco every 3 days, as well as chewing in between. He was 96 when he died. His wife outlived him 3 more years.

Perhaps the reason for their good health was their being physically active and eating non-commercially processed food. If the health community were to look into the instigators such as chemically enhanced products, antibiotic-laced meats and environmental smog we would all discover that corporatists cause cancer.......

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear Posit,

Here is a fact for you:

I had an uncle who smoked 2 packs a day, a pack of colts a day and a pouch of pipe tobacco every 3 days, as well as chewing in between. He was 96 when he died. His wife outlived him 3 more years.

No, your example is 'hearsay', not 'fact, though I don't doubt that it is true. However, to say that "there is no proof that cancer-causing agents have caused any cancer" is a bit on the silly side. There is no 'proof' because there are a billion variables. Questions that can lead a study to be thrown out could be anything from 'Has he ever eaten a tomato? (Oh, look, exposure to pesticide, that must be it)" to, "Has he ever been in sunlight?" (Oh, look, solar radiation, that must have caused that nasty cancer of the esophagus).

If the inhalation of carcinogens causes cancer in smokers, what would be the magical blocking effect to keep it from causing cancer in non-smokers?

[betsy]

I've got a 2 year-old kid who's been having some chronic coughs. Both parents are non-smokers.

But he's not given milk (they believe it's not good for him)... yes they've got pets....last summer he broke out in hives (because they bathe him with a soap based with tea-tree oil). Allergies been ruled out. he's got asthma. No, they don't believe in puffers. Fortunately, he's not coughing as much now...probably growing out of it. So who knows what induced it!

Then I've got a baby whose parents are both smokers. Both parents smell heavily of cigarette smoke....but surprisingly, the baby does not smell at all! I wouldn't even suspect he came from a smoking household just by smelling him. So it tells me, the parents do not expose their child to their smoke.

The baby's healthy. No asthma here or any respiratory illness!

But I challenged the dad though when twice in a row, he gave in to his son's protests and took him out without putting his coat on. I asked: what will you do in the winter?

From what I've seen and experienced with the tons of parents that I've dealt with over the years...there's one thing I've noticed: most of them are too lax and do not insist that their kids button up during the cold weather! They think it's okay to run from my front door to the car in the driveway without a coat on!

I HAVE TO PUT MY FOOT DOWN because I know how colds can easily be spread around in a daycare!

Yes, asthma and other chronic illness is on the rise...but don't tell me that it's ALL DUE TO SECOND-HAND SMOKE ALONE.

So those of you who insists on legislation....citing the childrens' health as an excuse.....do a thorough job of it! Don't just legislate one, and leave the others to continue!

It pokes hole in your credibility...and it actually seem like a farce, when you just want to target cigarette smoking...and yet you are all mum about hot dogs and pizza, and other irresponsible and stupid acts parents do!

Pizza and hotdogs.... which I guess are the most convenient fare for working couples to put in front of their children at dinner time...no wonder nobody wants to say anything about legislating those!

Heck, even schools have a pizza day and hot dog day! Go figure!

And we all worry about obesity and heart diseases! Shame on this hypocrisy!

[Remiel]

Addressing an issue from a couple dozen posts back... I believe that since non-smokers are in the majority, that makes smokers the special interest group, not the anti-smokers.

[betsy]

Have you wondered why there's a surge on peanut allergies?

I guess second-hand smoke is to blame too!

[BubberMiley]

The fact is there are NONE. The conclusions of lobby groups...like the EPA.... do not make a "medical study". They merely present an "opinion without basis".

I suggest that you start reading some of the literature you cite. There is NO medical study linking second hand smoke with any illness. That is a fact!

I already posted a link in this thread (on page 4) with references to studies that show there is a link.

Yes, but if he read that, he would be able to use his deliberate ignorance as an excuse anymore.

[BubberMiley]

Then I've got a baby whose parents are both smokers. Both parents smell heavily of cigarette smoke....but surprisingly, the baby does not smell at all! I wouldn't even suspect he came from a smoking household just by smelling him. So it tells me, the parents do not expose their child to their smoke.

The baby's healthy. No asthma here or any respiratory illness!

Maybe it's healthy because, as you said, the parents don't expose the child to their smoke. Put two and two together, Betsy. It helps your argument in the long run.

[betsy]

Then I've got a baby whose parents are both smokers. Both parents smell heavily of cigarette smoke....but surprisingly, the baby does not smell at all! I wouldn't even suspect he came from a smoking household just by smelling him. So it tells me, the parents do not expose their child to their smoke.

The baby's healthy. No asthma here or any respiratory illness!

Maybe it's healthy because, as you said, the parents don't expose the child to their smoke. Put two and two together, Betsy. It helps your argument in the long run.

Yes, but they did it of their own accord. There was no legislation that made them do it. Majority of parents do care for their kids. And majority do try their best to be responsible parents.

I would think that those who would wilfully jeopardize their childrens' health are the ones who are most likely to be abusive and neglectful as parents anyway...and there are already laws in place for such situations.

So why penalize the majority and tamper with our rights?

[Melanie_]

Drea, of course not every child will have the same effects - the studies show an increase of risk, not an absolute causal relationship. Other factors will play a role - nothing happens in a vaccuum. But why would we increase the risk for our children? I am not in favour of legislating what parents can and can't do in their homes. I think it is of more benefit for them to understand the risks they are exposing their children to, so they can make an informed choice.

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/factsheets/sids_factsheet.htm

While the mechanisms that cause SIDS are not fully understood, several factors have been clearly shown to increase the risk of SIDS.

Smoking by women during pregnancy causes SIDS.3

Infants who are exposed to secondhand smoke after birth are also at greater risk of SIDS.1

Infants who are exposed to both these risk factors are at especially high risk.1

The conclusion that secondhand smoke exposure causes SIDS is supported both by biological studies in animals and epidemiological studies in humans.1

Chemicals in secondhand smoke appear to affect the brain in ways that interfere with its regulation of infants’ breathing.1

Infants who die from SIDS have higher concentrations of nicotine in their lungs and higher levels of cotinine (a biological marker for secondhand smoke exposure) than infants who die from other causes.1

http://www.excellence-earlychildhood.ca/do.../FriedANGxp.pdf

Investigators have also reported associations between prenatal tobacco exposure and increased activity, inattention and impulsivity in subjects ranging from 4 to 16 years of age.16 Their reports have also shown an apparent link between in utero cigarette exposure and behavioural and psychological problems: in toddlers, who were identified as being more likely to display oppositional and aggressive behaviour,17, 18 in school-aged children, who exhibited behavioural problems,19 and in adolescents, who presented adolescent conduct disorder, substance use and depression.20, 21

These studies sound bleak, and can't be applied across the board, but we can't discount the relationship between exposure to cigarette smoke and other disorders, not just cancer.

[Drea]

As Betsy pointed our earlier... why is Asthma on the rise when cigarette smoking has declined so much?

Why are there so many sick children?

Immune systems.

Children today are so protected from everything that their little bodies don't build an immune system. What builds their immune systems? Exposure to "harmful" things like dirt.

I say let 'em eat dirt!

No, you cannot guilt me into thinking I am a bad parent because I smoke...

[Melanie_]

No, you cannot guilt me into thinking I am a bad parent because I smoke...

I'm the last person to try to guilt anyone into thinking they are a bad parent. I definitely have my share of bad mommy days!

[rbacon]

How would you enforce something like that without Nazi style home invasions?