gc1765 Posted October 30, 2006 Report Posted October 30, 2006 Please answer the questions I pose or ignore my posts... Preferrably the latter... If someone, anyone (and no, I'm not trying to single you out here Ricki, this comment is for everyone) uses insults or is trolling, best to ignore their posts. Whoever does this will come off looking more mature anyhow. Best not to feed the trolls, it takes at least two people to have an annoying exchange of useless, off-topic & occasionally insulting comments. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
cybercoma Posted October 30, 2006 Report Posted October 30, 2006 I guess I was confused a couple pages ago when I thought this thread was about particular topic. Instead it has become a pile of whining and personal attacks. Everyone in this thread should be ashamed of themselves, whether they were inferring that protestors should be mowed down or if they tied up the thread complaining about the comment instead of reporting the post to the moderator. It's this kind of petty, childish arguing that makes this forum look like crap. Quote
M.Dancer Posted October 30, 2006 Report Posted October 30, 2006 I'm think it's fantastic to see people out on the street expressing their views on the matter. Yeah I saw the signs....at the bottom they said trotsky leninist legue of Canada...Marxists leninist .....yadd yadda yadda...... >...which is funny cause they supported the russians in afghanstan Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
fellowtraveller Posted October 30, 2006 Report Posted October 30, 2006 There were only about 100 marchers in Edmonton, which is not a good turnout in a city with a reputation for being something of a leftist stronghold in a sea of conservatism. They are most welcome to express their views as loudly as they wish, and the same courtesy should be extended to everybody posting here. Quote The government should do something.
gerryhatrick Posted October 30, 2006 Author Report Posted October 30, 2006 I'm think it's fantastic to see people out on the street expressing their views on the matter. Yeah I saw the signs....at the bottom they said trotsky leninist legue of Canada...Marxists leninist .....yadd yadda yadda...... >...which is funny cause they supported the russians in afghanstan All the signs said that? I think a common mistake made about anti-war protests is that all the people have the same goals, wants, politics, ect. The left is obviously not as homogenous as the right. There are communists at most antiwar rallies, but it is not a communist rally. As I said, it's fantastic to see people out on the street. Even if some of them are communists. Quote Conservative Party of Canada taking image advice from US Republican pollster: http://allpoliticsnow.com
M.Dancer Posted October 30, 2006 Report Posted October 30, 2006 I'm think it's fantastic to see people out on the street expressing their views on the matter. Yeah I saw the signs....at the bottom they said trotsky leninist legue of Canada...Marxists leninist .....yadd yadda yadda...... >...which is funny cause they supported the russians in afghanstan All the signs said that? I think a common mistake made about anti-war protests is that all the people have the same goals, wants, politics, ect. The left is obviously not as homogenous as the right. There are communists at most antiwar rallies, but it is not a communist rally. As I said, it's fantastic to see people out on the street. Even if some of them are communists. Some....most.....whatever.....needless to say, I bet 90% of them are too stupid to understand that while the Taliban are free to roam, no recontruction worker is safe and that the possibility of a humanitarian crisis is 100% as the Taliban would regroup to fight a civil war. I'm sure that's not what the group huggers want, but again, they're too stupid to understand that's what they will get. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
jbg Posted November 3, 2006 Report Posted November 3, 2006 I think a common mistake made about anti-war protests is that all the people have the same goals, wants, politics, ect.The left is obviously not as homogenous as the right. There are communists at most antiwar rallies, but it is not a communist rally. As I said, it's fantastic to see people out on the street. Even if some of them are communists. You would probably consider me a right-winger (which I'm not). Yet I am, within limits, pro-abortion, pro-civil unions (though not pro-gay marriage) and in favor of many leftists ideas such as a year or two of "national service" for young people. I do not necessarily "homogenize" well with "right-wingers". Some....most.....whatever.....needless to say, I bet 90% of them are too stupid to understand that while the Taliban are free to roam, no recontruction worker is safe and that the possibility of a humanitarian crisis is 100% as the Taliban would regroup to fight a civil war. I'm sure that's not what the group huggers want, but again, they're too stupid to understand that's what they will get. When you're serious you make some good points. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
scribblet Posted November 3, 2006 Report Posted November 3, 2006 Some....most.....whatever.....needless to say, I bet 90% of them are too stupid to understand that while the Taliban are free to roam, no recontruction worker is safe and that the possibility of a humanitarian crisis is 100% as the Taliban would regroup to fight a civil war. I'm sure that's not what the group huggers want, but again, they're too stupid to understand that's what they will get. I don't ever see them going away, no matter what we do (and that includes Iraq) the radicals will be there to regroup and attack. I saw some news coverage a couple of days ago and was surprised at how many of them there where, the Taliban is not going away. They are part of ATHENA, International campaign against terrorism, but Canada is involved in a lot more than actual fighting, they are providing a team of strategic planners to assisting the Afghan. gov't with nation building and reconstruction. They have aProvincial Reconstruction Team (PRT) there until 2009, I don't think that a lot of their reconsturction efforts are given enough press. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
White Doors Posted November 3, 2006 Report Posted November 3, 2006 Looks like a good place for a machine gun. I know you don't mean that and would be horrified if it happened, so why say it? C'mon gerry, they're all leftwing radicals. What they mostly are are well-meaning fools. Most are not really up on what's going on. Most have simplistic beliefs and simplistic answers without nuance. "We should only be peacekeepers" they whine, even though that era has long-passed, and we haven't really been peacekeepers for many, many years. Military leaders have said repeatedly, most recently the lionised Romeo Dallaire, that the era of smiling, blue-hatted peackeepers ended long ago. But these people, ignorant of the world, still have stars in their eyes and still want to see us as these tall, noble, shining examples of peaceful intervention. Our mere presence will stop war as all about us stop to gaze on us with awe and admiration. They're horrified by militarism, by Canadians actually shooting at people. They seem to believe that we just need to talk with them, be understanding, and all will be settled. Like I said, they're well-meaning, but no one would ever allow such people to make important decisions. Exactly! Good post. They are cute little kittens. Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
TravellingTimeMachineSalesman Posted November 3, 2006 Report Posted November 3, 2006 Canada needs another 2,500 troops along with "Griffin Helicopters" and a new aggresssive mission to take the war to the Taliban Quote
Black Dog Posted November 3, 2006 Report Posted November 3, 2006 What ever the number, it was not very large and I am glad to se that we do not have a large numbers of Traitors here in Canada. Since they are so unhappy with the ways of life and the choices our government makes, they should pack up and move to a country they feel better about. Instead they decide to publically display their own views and draw as much attention to it as possible. This not only harms our own troops morale but it emboldens the insurgecy to do more attacks and possibly kill more of our soldiers. Great job people. You really make Canada proud right? So, let me see if I follow this... 1. These people have the freedom to express their opinions (er...even though their opinion makes them "traitors". 2. They wouldn't have that ability in other places (where we should ship them). 3. Therefore, they should demonstrate their appreciation for their freedom to speak out by remaining silent. Based on this and other comments, I can reasonably conclude that a number of right wingers here only value freedom in theory. Oh and I will agree with those who say the bulk of the "Canada out of Afghanistan" contingent are soft-headed. Canada should pull out of Afghanistan because our prescene there will make no difference in the long run. Quote
betsy Posted November 3, 2006 Report Posted November 3, 2006 I guess your version of democracy doesn't include contempt for what I see as well organized traitors trying to undermine the mission. I did see some middle-eastern or Arab people (women were wearing that veil but with faces showing). It did occur to me to question the possible likelihood that undermining our mission can be achieve by so-called peaceful rallies. It's only normal to question motives...and deeply-rooted loyalties and allegiance. After all, we've had some terrorist plotters living among us. Quote
betsy Posted November 3, 2006 Report Posted November 3, 2006 Is that somehow relavent to BMax's threat of violence against Canadian citizens? Can you please get your own thread back on track here? You seem determined and want to stay stuck on this so-called BMax's threat! That comment was said on page 1...I can't believe you're still on about it on page 4! Get on with your own topic! Otherwise, this thread is nothing more than trolling! Quote
cybercoma Posted November 4, 2006 Report Posted November 4, 2006 I don't ever see them going away, no matter what we do (and that includes Iraq) the radicals will be there to regroup and attack. I saw some news coverage a couple of days ago and was surprised at how many of them there where, the Taliban is not going away.They are part of ATHENA, International campaign against terrorism, but Canada is involved in a lot more than actual fighting, they are providing a team of strategic planners to assisting the Afghan. gov't with nation building and reconstruction. They have aProvincial Reconstruction Team (PRT) there until 2009, I don't think that a lot of their reconsturction efforts are given enough press. You're right, the radicals won't go away, and that is why we need to train the Afghanis (and Iraqis for that matter) to be able to defend their country from these oppressive, power-hungry tyrants. The problem is that the people we need to train aren't very well educated, so it's going to take a long time. Having said that...imagine the results of immediately pulling out.... Quote
betsy Posted November 4, 2006 Report Posted November 4, 2006 Those people are Canadians and they make me proud, regardless of their opinions on the mission. I wonder if these Canadians who make you proud ever said anything against the terrorists and our enemies.....or their criticisms are reserved only for our own government and the mission in Afghanistan? Quote
jbg Posted November 4, 2006 Report Posted November 4, 2006 So, let me see if I follow this...1. These people have the freedom to express their opinions (er...even though their opinion makes them "traitors". I do not appreciate people using our openness to wreck us. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Argus Posted November 4, 2006 Report Posted November 4, 2006 Canada needs another 2,500 troops along with "Griffin Helicopters" and a new aggresssive mission to take the war to the Taliban The Griffins are light duty civilian helicopters. They would fall out of the sky like rocks in Afghanistan's harsh climate and the high altitudes they'd need to fly, even without being shot at. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jbg Posted November 4, 2006 Report Posted November 4, 2006 Canada needs another 2,500 troops along with "Griffin Helicopters" and a new aggresssive mission to take the war to the Taliban The Griffins are light duty civilian helicopters. They would fall out of the sky like rocks in Afghanistan's harsh climate and the high altitudes they'd need to fly, even without being shot at. Why not use the great Sea Kings? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
White Doors Posted November 5, 2006 Report Posted November 5, 2006 Canada needs another 2,500 troops along with "Griffin Helicopters" and a new aggresssive mission to take the war to the Taliban The Griffins are light duty civilian helicopters. They would fall out of the sky like rocks in Afghanistan's harsh climate and the high altitudes they'd need to fly, even without being shot at. Why not use the great Sea Kings? Yes. They are, afterall, good enough for the President of the United States. Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
Argus Posted November 5, 2006 Report Posted November 5, 2006 Why not use the great Sea Kings? Yes. They are, afterall, good enough for the President of the United States. I suspect both of you are being disingenuous. However, the Sea King used by the president is a far more modern variant of the ancient, creaking, rusting buckets of bolt we currently have flying haphazardly across the skies. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
M.Dancer Posted November 6, 2006 Report Posted November 6, 2006 After you remove the sensor array...the weapons pods.....ad the seats....... Like saying a warthog makes a good intercity communter jet...... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
White Doors Posted November 6, 2006 Report Posted November 6, 2006 Why not use the great Sea Kings? Yes. They are, afterall, good enough for the President of the United States. I suspect both of you are being disingenuous. However, the Sea King used by the president is a far more modern variant of the ancient, creaking, rusting buckets of bolt we currently have flying haphazardly across the skies. haha. yep, just jokin Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
Black Dog Posted November 6, 2006 Report Posted November 6, 2006 I do not appreciate people using our openness to wreck us. How is the peaceful, public expression of a political viewpoint "wrecking" us? Quote
jbg Posted November 7, 2006 Report Posted November 7, 2006 Why not use the great Sea Kings? Yes. They are, afterall, good enough for the President of the United States. I suspect both of you are being disingenuous. However, the Sea King used by the president is a far more modern variant of the ancient, creaking, rusting buckets of bolt we currently have flying haphazardly across the skies. Which President flew in a Sea King? Did it fall apart mid-sky? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jdobbin Posted November 7, 2006 Report Posted November 7, 2006 Which President flew in a Sea King? Did it fall apart mid-sky? It certainly would save the time for an election. Quote
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