Was Brian Mulroney a Crook?

[rbacon]

All Canadian Politicians are CROOKS they steal our Liberty and Freedom everyday and we let them.

[jdobbin]

Former Mulroney chief of staff testifies. Mulroney counters by releasing documents that have been kept quiet since the 1980s.

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Former Brian Mulroney loyalist Norman Spector has begun to testify before the House of Commons ethics committee, and he is mincing no words.

He began his testimony with a blistering attack on Canada's political system and the effects of lobbying, which he said has not changed since the time that Mulroney was prime minister. Spector noted that he doubts that Prime Minister Stephen Harper really wants to get to the bottom of the so-called Mulroney-Schreiber affair even though he has called for a public inquiry into the matter.

He also began to outline what he said was the form prime minister's expensive lifestyle. Spector said that the Tories paid Mulroney $5,000 a month to cover his expenses in office. He also received $190,000 to pay for furniture.

When asked directly if he had any evidence of wrong doing by any government official, Spector said flatly that he did not.

[Keepitsimple]

Former Mulroney chief of staff testifies. Mulroney counters by releasing documents that have been kept quiet since the 1980s.

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Specter also said that similar arrangements were in place for Bill Davis in Ontario and Premier Bennett in BC when he worked for those Provincial parties - they both werre reimbursed for expenses from the party. I listened to CBC's covertage and try and they might, I really coundn't see one scrap of new information. He admitted that the Mulroney's submitted receipts and issued invoices for all monies. It appears that all this guy was tryting to do was get himself in the limelight so that he would have more exposure as a columnist.

[jdobbin]

Specter also said that similar arrangements were in place for Bill Davis in Ontario and Premier Bennett in BC when he worked for those Provincial parties - they both werre reimbursed for expenses from the party. I listened to CBC's covertage and try and they might, I really coundn't see one scrap of new information. He admitted that the Mulroney's submitted receipts and issued invoices for all monies. It appears that all this guy was tryting to do was get himself in the limelight so that he would have more exposure as a columnist.

It seems a pretty big leap to say that all this is was a case of self promotion. Spector has said that he has no evidence of wrongdoing but says that in his opinion, the former prime minister's papers and tax records should be examined because of the accusation of influence peddling.

Edited February 6, 2008 by jdobbin

[Keepitsimple]

It seems a pretty big leap to say that all this is was a case of self promotion. Spector has said that he has no evidence of wrongdoing but says that in his opinion, the former prime minister's papers and tax records should be examined because of the accusation of influence peddling.

I just can't see any other explanation. He offered absolutely nothing except his opinion that the RCMP did a crummy job. He wrote some columns that said that cash was showing up at 24 sussex every month....but when he had to explain it, it turns out that for the most part - it wasn't cash - it was a documented process off receipts and invoices......and the cheques were made out to Spector himself for appropriate distribution. Can you see any other reason for his insistance on appearing?

[jdobbin]

I just can't see any other explanation. He offered absolutely nothing except his opinion that the RCMP did a crummy job. He wrote some columns that said that cash was showing up at 24 sussex every month....but when he had to explain it, it turns out that for the most part - it wasn't cash - it was a documented process off receipts and invoices......and the cheques were made out to Spector himself for appropriate distribution. Can you see any other reason for his insistance on appearing?

Other than a former chief of staff wonders out loud where the Airbus commission went? I have no idea.

[Keepitsimple]

Other than a former chief of staff wonders out loud where the Airbus commission went? I have no idea.

Spector served as Chief of Staff from 1990-1992. The Airbus Contract was awarded in 1988 - the "lobbying" occurred well before that. Spector has no knowledge of the issues at hand.....but let's not forget that he's been writing for the G & M since 1995 - and they are no friends of Mulroney. So I go back to saying he just has to be a unmitigated self-promoter. On CPAC today, they replayed the entire Spector hearing and he actually put in a blatant plug for the Globe & Mail - I can't remember exact the words but it was shameful.

And sure, a lot of people wonder what happened to the money that was supposedly to be used for commissions. I'm sure palms were greased pretty heavily but here's a novel idea - do you think Schreiber might have kept a few bucks for himself?

Edited February 6, 2008 by Keepitsimple

[jdobbin]

Spector served as Chief of Staff from 1990-1992. The Airbus Contract was awarded in 1988 - the "lobbying" occurred well before that. Spector has no knowledge of the issues at hand.....but let's not forget that he's been writing for the G & M since 1995 - and they are no friends of Mulroney. So I go back to saying he just has to be a unmitigated self-promoter. On CPAC today, they replayed the entire Spector hearing and he actually put in a blatant plug for the Globe & Mail - I can't remember exact the words but it was shameful.

And sure, a lot of people wonder what happened to the money that was supposedly to be used for commissions. I'm sure palms were greased pretty heavily but here's a novel idea - do you think Schreiber might have kept a few bucks for himself?

I don't doubt that Shreiber kept some for himself.

As for when money was paid out in commissions, Shrieber has said they flowed over years. Spector's testimony was that people and money flowed freely in the Mulroney administration. At the very least, tax records of both Shrieber and Mulroney should be looked at.

[Ergonomic]

Spector seems to have told the truth regarding the money. If that can be verified, then good. This guy is a very ambitious political wonk. I do not trust him any more than I do the rest of them. Look at his career.

[Topaz]

When all this was going on Mulroney was partnering with Bush Sr with the Trade agreement. Anyone think if there was anything immortal or illegal went on there? Apparently, Mulroney help Bush get a seat on Barrick Oil and had dealing with Barrick Gold. When Mulroney first left office guess who he worked for ...$300,000 yearly. Just 'google" Mulroney and Bush, the Barrick oil scam, free trade and see what you get.

[rbacon]

Mulroney's biggest benefactor was PowerCorp and the Desmarias clan, the same guys who owned Trudeau, Martin, Chretien and controlled all PM's since Trudeau. Canada has been run by one family since Trudeau's day.

[rbacon]

It may re-pay the reader to spend a few minutes tracing the connections of Paul Desmarais and Power Corp. to the leading politicians, etc. of Canada:

JOHN RAE: leading strategist for Prime Minister Chretien's election campaign. Was Executive Vice- President of Power Corp. and Paul Desmarais' right- hand man. His brother is....

BOB RAE: Rhodes Scholar and ex-NDP [socialist] Premier of Ontario, who appointed....

MAURICE STRONG to the chairmanship of Ontario Hydro, which he proceeded to dramatically cut in both skilled human resources and generating capacity [to provide a future need for power from James Bay/Grand Canal?]

PAUL MARTIN: current federal Finance Minister. Rose through the ranks at Power Corp., mentored by Paul Desmarais. Bought Canada Steamship Lines from him. Ran against Chretien for Liberal Party leadership. He attended the 1996 meeting of the Bilderberg Group, where those he mingled with included - surprise! - David Rockefeller.

JEAN CHRETIEN: Prime Minister. Daughter, France, is married to Andre Desmarais, son of Paul Desmarais, chairman of Power Corporation. Chretien's "advisor, counsellor and strategist" for the past 30 years has been MITCHELL SHARP, who brought Chretien into politics when he was Finance Minister. Sharp has been, since 1981, Vice-Chairman for North America of David Rockefeller's TRILATERAL COMMISSION. Chretien attended the 1996 meeting of the Bilderberg Group.

DANIEL JOHNSON: present Liberal [and Opposition] leader in Quebec. Rose through the ranks of Power Corp.

BRIAN MULRONEY: ex-Conservative Prime Minister. Now a lawyer and lobbyist for Power Corporation which, together with Ontario Hydro and Hydro Quebec, has just formed the Hong Kong-based ASIA POWER CORP., to help China to develop its energy potential. Power Corp.'s legal interests in Asia will be handled by a Hong Kong branch of Mulroney's Montreal law firm, Olgilvy, Renault. He is also a well-remunerated member of the board of Archer-Daniels-Midland, a Rockefeller-owned conglomerate, which is headed by Dwayne Andreas who, like Rockefeller himself, is also a member of the elite and secretive Bilderberg Group.

Mike Harris, Premier of Ontario, who headed off for a fishing weekend at a remote Northern camp with George Bush and Paul Martin soon after his election. Harris, like his colleague Ralph Klein, Premier of Alberta, is also a Bilderberger.

So...we have the CONSERVATIVE party [via Mulroney], the LIBERAL party [via Chretien], and the NDP [via Rae] all tightly connected to....Paul Desmarais and Power Corp.

And we have the Prime Minister, the Finance Minister, and the Prime Minister's key aide all tightly connected to....Paul Desmarais and Power Corp.

Mel Hurtig wrote, in THE BETRAYAL OF CANADA:

"Since Brian Mulroney became Prime Minister, Big Business has had effective control of the political and economic agenda, and hence the social and cultural agenda as well. Paul Desmarais provided much of the money for Pierre Trudeau's campaign, Brian Mulroney's campaign, and Jean Chretien's campaign." [p.188]

Maurice Strong has now joined Brian Mulroney and Paul Desmarais in investing the Asia Power Group's $100 million venture capital in "small coal-fired power plants being built in the south of China". They are also looking at "larger projects in northern China, as well as in Malaysia, the Philippines and India." The Asian economies are expected to spend $1 trillion [uS] on essential infrastructure, of which an estimated $400 billion [uS] will be on power generation. Chinese and Asian labour costs are low - as low, in China, as $45 per month - and potential profits are high.

The Nov/Dec. 1993 issue of David Rockefeller's Council on Foreign Relations' publication FOREIGN RELATIONS contains an article, THE RISE OF CHINA, in which we are warned that China will begin to use more energy than the United States within a few decades, massively straining the world's energy supplies. Most of China's energy comes from the burning of soft, high-sulphur, highly- polluting coal. In 1991 alone, 11 trillion cubic meters of waste gases and sixteen million tons of soot were emitted into the atmosphere over China - and it has only just begun its long process of increased energy generation!

The suphur in this coal causes acid rain. The burning of the coal releases carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, the most efficient "greenhouse gas" in the global warming process.

The warmer the climate becomes, the greater the need for fresh water in Mexico and the southern United States - and the more urgent the need for a GRAND Canal project to get it there. An astute businessman could, if he were so inclined, potentially make astronomical profits off both ends of this process!

Oh, and Paul Desmarais?

In September, 1993, he joined David Rockefeller's Trilateral Commission.

He won't feel out-of-place there, though. Other prominent Canadian members include Gerald Bouey [former Governor of the Bank of Canada]; Conrad Black, newspaper magnate and chairman of Argus; John Allen, CEO of Stelco; Raymond Cyr, President of Bell Canada Enterprises; Peter Dobell, of Foreign Affairs and Foreign Trade, in Ottawa; Marie-Jose Druin, Hudson Institute of Canada; Claude Edwards, Public Staff Relations Board in Ottawa; Allan Gottlieb, former Canadian Ambassador to the U.S.; David Henniger, Regional Director of Burns, Fry; Senator Duff Roblin; Ron Sutherland, CEO of ATCO Ltd., William Turner, of Montreal's PCC Industrial Corporation; and J.H. Warren, former Canadian Ambassador to the U.S.

[And, of course, Quebec Premier Jacques Parizeau was also in the habit of frequently briefing meetings of David Rockefeller's Council on Foreign Relations in Washington; and Lucien Bouchard, separatist PQ leader, was brought into politics by Brian Mulroney, whose last act in Ottawa was to host a black-tie dinner for 200 members of Rockefeller's Council of the Americas, who flew up on Rockefeller's private jet to celebrate the successful negotiation of NAFTA - another Rockefeller innovation]

[margrace]

So what this is saying is that the rich and powerful still run the countries, just like the kings of old. The ordinary people are just serfs and fools.

[rbacon]

It tells me that Canadians have a 3rd world political system and do not have democratic choice. The PM a man elected by 41,000 legal voters in his riding makes all democratic choices for 33 million Canadians. He appoints all Judges, he appoints 50% of the Government the Senate. He appoints the Head of State the GG. He appoints the Heads of State of each Province. He appoints the 4th Order of Government the Privy Council, who make Orders in Council to spend tax dollars without review by Parlaiment and appoint Friends and cronies to the various troughs ie Crown Corporations. The Canadian political system is worse than a joke. It breeds crooks and theives. The Provinces are set up the same way.

[Keepitsimple]

It may re-pay the reader to spend a few minutes tracing the connections of Paul Desmarais and Power Corp. to the leading politicians, etc. of Canada:

JOHN RAE: leading strategist for Prime Minister Chretien's election campaign. Was Executive Vice- President of Power Corp. and Paul Desmarais' right- hand man. His brother is....

BOB RAE: Rhodes Scholar and ex-NDP [socialist] Premier of Ontario, who appointed....

MAURICE STRONG to the chairmanship of Ontario Hydro, which he proceeded to dramatically cut in both skilled human resources and generating capacity [to provide a future need for power from James Bay/Grand Canal?]

PAUL MARTIN: current federal Finance Minister. Rose through the ranks at Power Corp., mentored by Paul Desmarais. Bought Canada Steamship Lines from him. Ran against Chretien for Liberal Party leadership. He attended the 1996 meeting of the Bilderberg Group, where those he mingled with included - surprise! - David Rockefeller.

JEAN CHRETIEN: Prime Minister. Daughter, France, is married to Andre Desmarais, son of Paul Desmarais, chairman of Power Corporation. Chretien's "advisor, counsellor and strategist" for the past 30 years has been MITCHELL SHARP, who brought Chretien into politics when he was Finance Minister. Sharp has been, since 1981, Vice-Chairman for North America of David Rockefeller's TRILATERAL COMMISSION. Chretien attended the 1996 meeting of the Bilderberg Group.

DANIEL JOHNSON: present Liberal [and Opposition] leader in Quebec. Rose through the ranks of Power Corp.

BRIAN MULRONEY: ex-Conservative Prime Minister. Now a lawyer and lobbyist for Power Corporation which, together with Ontario Hydro and Hydro Quebec, has just formed the Hong Kong-based ASIA POWER CORP., to help China to develop its energy potential. Power Corp.'s legal interests in Asia will be handled by a Hong Kong branch of Mulroney's Montreal law firm, Olgilvy, Renault. He is also a well-remunerated member of the board of Archer-Daniels-Midland, a Rockefeller-owned conglomerate, which is headed by Dwayne Andreas who, like Rockefeller himself, is also a member of the elite and secretive Bilderberg Group.

Mike Harris, Premier of Ontario, who headed off for a fishing weekend at a remote Northern camp with George Bush and Paul Martin soon after his election. Harris, like his colleague Ralph Klein, Premier of Alberta, is also a Bilderberger.

So...we have the CONSERVATIVE party [via Mulroney], the LIBERAL party [via Chretien], and the NDP [via Rae] all tightly connected to....Paul Desmarais and Power Corp.

And we have the Prime Minister, the Finance Minister, and the Prime Minister's key aide all tightly connected to....Paul Desmarais and Power Corp.

Mel Hurtig wrote, in THE BETRAYAL OF CANADA:

"Since Brian Mulroney became Prime Minister, Big Business has had effective control of the political and economic agenda, and hence the social and cultural agenda as well. Paul Desmarais provided much of the money for Pierre Trudeau's campaign, Brian Mulroney's campaign, and Jean Chretien's campaign." [p.188]

Maurice Strong has now joined Brian Mulroney and Paul Desmarais in investing the Asia Power Group's $100 million venture capital in "small coal-fired power plants being built in the south of China". They are also looking at "larger projects in northern China, as well as in Malaysia, the Philippines and India." The Asian economies are expected to spend $1 trillion [uS] on essential infrastructure, of which an estimated $400 billion [uS] will be on power generation. Chinese and Asian labour costs are low - as low, in China, as $45 per month - and potential profits are high.

The Nov/Dec. 1993 issue of David Rockefeller's Council on Foreign Relations' publication FOREIGN RELATIONS contains an article, THE RISE OF CHINA, in which we are warned that China will begin to use more energy than the United States within a few decades, massively straining the world's energy supplies. Most of China's energy comes from the burning of soft, high-sulphur, highly- polluting coal. In 1991 alone, 11 trillion cubic meters of waste gases and sixteen million tons of soot were emitted into the atmosphere over China - and it has only just begun its long process of increased energy generation!

The suphur in this coal causes acid rain. The burning of the coal releases carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, the most efficient "greenhouse gas" in the global warming process.

The warmer the climate becomes, the greater the need for fresh water in Mexico and the southern United States - and the more urgent the need for a GRAND Canal project to get it there. An astute businessman could, if he were so inclined, potentially make astronomical profits off both ends of this process!

Oh, and Paul Desmarais?

In September, 1993, he joined David Rockefeller's Trilateral Commission.

He won't feel out-of-place there, though. Other prominent Canadian members include Gerald Bouey [former Governor of the Bank of Canada]; Conrad Black, newspaper magnate and chairman of Argus; John Allen, CEO of Stelco; Raymond Cyr, President of Bell Canada Enterprises; Peter Dobell, of Foreign Affairs and Foreign Trade, in Ottawa; Marie-Jose Druin, Hudson Institute of Canada; Claude Edwards, Public Staff Relations Board in Ottawa; Allan Gottlieb, former Canadian Ambassador to the U.S.; David Henniger, Regional Director of Burns, Fry; Senator Duff Roblin; Ron Sutherland, CEO of ATCO Ltd., William Turner, of Montreal's PCC Industrial Corporation; and J.H. Warren, former Canadian Ambassador to the U.S.

[And, of course, Quebec Premier Jacques Parizeau was also in the habit of frequently briefing meetings of David Rockefeller's Council on Foreign Relations in Washington; and Lucien Bouchard, separatist PQ leader, was brought into politics by Brian Mulroney, whose last act in Ottawa was to host a black-tie dinner for 200 members of Rockefeller's Council of the Americas, who flew up on Rockefeller's private jet to celebrate the successful negotiation of NAFTA - another Rockefeller innovation]

I guess this means that for the first time in 40 years, we finally have a Prime Minister who is not in the pocket of the Desmarais family?

[gc1765]

Interesting twist:

The German arms manufacturer said to have paid Brian Mulroney hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash for international representation insists it has no knowledge of the former prime minister doing any work on its behalf.

"He never worked for Thyssen," Winfried Haastert, a former Thyssen executive, said in a phone interview.

Link

[Topaz]

If you are watching the committee meeting on this topic you'll noticed that Mulroney had made calls to Chile, China and Argentina. I did my own research on Mulroney and I found that those calls were made after he left in 1994 and it was to do with the Barrick Gold business. He help Bush Sr on their board . Mulroney was paid 1.2 Mil in stock options to Barick gold and $300,000 in fees. Mulroney and Bush had alot of business together and I'm just wondering if the reason he has his US bank deposit was for payment he got for services renedered by Mulroney to Bush, like the Trade Free Agreement. I've read several times over that Bush had dealing with the drug trade in North America. I've read were Bush and Mulroney knew when they signed the trade agreement with Mexico that the President of that country was into the drug trade and if it came out that agreement would have be voided. I have a feeling that the Airbus isn`t as serious as some other the things that went on in the Mulroney era especially when its connected to the Bush crime family as they are know in the US.

[i.am.canuck]

If you are watching the committee meeting on this topic you'll noticed that Mulroney had made calls to Chile, China and Argentina. I did my own research on Mulroney and I found that those calls were made after he left in 1994 and it was to do with the Barrick Gold business. He help Bush Sr on their board . Mulroney was paid 1.2 Mil in stock options to Barick gold and $300,000 in fees. Mulroney and Bush had alot of business together and I'm just wondering if the reason he has his US bank deposit was for payment he got for services renedered by Mulroney to Bush, like the Trade Free Agreement. I've read several times over that Bush had dealing with the drug trade in North America. I've read were Bush and Mulroney knew when they signed the trade agreement with Mexico that the President of that country was into the drug trade and if it came out that agreement would have be voided. I have a feeling that the Airbus isn`t as serious as some other the things that went on in the Mulroney era especially when its connected to the Bush crime family as they are know in the US.

[i.am.canuck]

Aside from the Airbus scandal, did ADM (Archer Daniels Midland), get to Mulroney while he was still Prime Minister? As you may or may not know, Mulroney is on the Board of Directors for ADM, which is #7 on the list of top 100 criminal Corporations. This Airbus thing would be a drop in the bucket. Check the sequence or chain of events and answer a few simple questions. One big one would be: Did ADM profit from the setup of Nafta (North American Free Trade Agreement)? Mulroney, as we all know, was an integral part in setting Nafta up, actually pushing it through.

Mulroney PM 1984-1993

Nafta January 1994

Gee, when did Mulroney start at ADM?

Not to mention, Mulroney's involvment in Global Governance Agenda and it's dirty little secret.

http://forums.canadianbusiness.com/thread....essageID=221344

[Topaz]

I wonder how many Canadians have read the book by Cameron "On the take"? I bought it years ago and just finished it again to refresh my memory . I can see alot of similaries between Mulroney government of Harper's. The worst thing of the

Mulroney era was th "5%kick backs" of the ministers to the lobbyists who were trying to get contracts with the government. I'm just wondering if that's were Mulroney and Mila got alot of their money besides from the Canadian taxpayers.Mulroney declared in his second term that he would clean-up the corruption in his party, but didn't. Sounds like nothing changes.

[jbg]

Mulroney declared in his second term that he would clean-up the corruption in his party, but didn't. Sounds like nothing changes.

What special access to information about Harper's activities do you have that no one else does?

[Argus]

What special access to information about Harper's activities do you have that no one else does?

It comes from his tinfoil hat, and the seething, bitter hatred and fear he has for anyone who is on the right side of the political spectrum.

[August1991]

For better or worse, I'll resurrect this old thread (and poll). For those that have voted before, I think you can change your vote. I don't think many will change it from guilty to innocent.

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IMV, Brian Mulroney did many good things for Canada and he made it a better place. IMV, Richard Nixon also made the world safer and confronted communism.

Richard Nixon had his faults but he never took cash in envelopes that he put in personal vaults. Nixon's faults were not personal gain. (Spiro Agnew is another story.)

However he explains this, or whatever really happened, Brian Mulroney has caused harm to Conservatives. (Mulroney's claim that this cash was a retainer and not subject to tax declaration differs from his previous story of a later voluntary income declaration.)

[jbg]

IMV, Brian Mulroney did many good things for Canada and he made it a better place.

Quite true. Even the GST was better than hiking income taxes.

IMV, Richard Nixon also made the world safer and confronted communism.

Actually his cave-ins to Communism in Peking and Moscow between February and May 1972 pushed back the disintegration of the Soviet Empire back a good ten years.

Richard Nixon had his faults but he never took cash in envelopes that he put in personal vaults. Nixon's faults were not personal gain. (Spiro Agnew is another story.)

They were the faults of mental illness. But so were Pickton's and Bernardo's. Trust me, Nixon did an incredible amount of damage to the U.S. from which it is still recovering. He and Johnson managed to destroy the trust and awe generations had built up for the U.S. government during the Roosvelt, Truman and Kennedy years.

However he explains this, or whatever really happened, Brian Mulroney has caused harm to Conservatives. (Mulroney's claim that this cash was a retainer and not subject to tax declaration differs from his previous story of a later voluntary income declaration.)

His explanation is rubbish.

[jdobbin]

Nixon's faults were not personal gain.

Not exactly true. He was desperate for money after resigning and was paid for the Frost interviews.