Was Brian Mulroney a Crook?

[Topaz]

Mulroney is looking at this like Clinton defended his relationship with Monica as the word "it"! Asked why he never told the first inquiry that he had gotten money from Schreiber when he had meetings with him? Mulroney answered, He (the lawyer) didn't asked me. The present lawyer said, well how could he ask you if there were only 4 people who knew about it, why didn`t you tell him? The lawyer today went on to say that Mulroney didn`t tell because it would be like throwing gas on a fire! I`m getting the impression that Mulroney either, never really was going to help out Schreiber with the military vehicles. but just kept stringing him along to get the money, tax free! Mulroney was making big buck through Peter Munk and G. Bush sr with Barrick Gold and all those directionships to other companies.

[daniel]

So retainers aren't taxable? I'll remember that when my client retains me every two weeks.

[M.Dancer]

So retainers aren't taxable? I'll remember that when my client retains me every two weeks.

Not taxable apparently till you draw upon it...

Was he a crook?

Hell yes.

[Guest MapleleafwebGuy]

(Mulroney's claim that this cash was a retainer and not subject to tax declaration differs from his previous story of a later voluntary income declaration.)

Don't worry he'll combine the two as follows:

The cash remained in his safe as a retainer until a certain date, at which time it changed into income.

It was at that time that he made his voluntary income declaration.

[Oleg Bach]

Don't worry he'll combine the two as follows:

The cash remained in his safe as a retainer until a certain date, at which time it changed into income.

It was at that time that he made his voluntary income declaration.

Every human being in the western world when confronted with untaxable cash - is almost always tempted to take the money and spend it - live on it - enjoy it - put it in the drawer and when one of the adult kids says "Dad I need 900 bucks" - you go into the bedroom and open up the family treasure chest and give the kid what he needs.....this buisness of having cash in large amounts - is akin to crimminality is absurd - what it really amounts to is that a controling force wants control over you and your ability to purchase - In other words - we have governments and tax departments that think they own us - and what is in each family treasury..we have a right - to hold cash - and all pay taxes no matter what - IF - we all declared our real worth - we would all be attacked and made poor by this huge Draconian taxation system....Brian - did what any good father, citizen and family man should do - he took care of himself and his immediate family first - family first - government second - The purpose of government is to govern - and ensure a good life - not to persecute and create stress and misery!

[Oleg Bach]

Also: What it gets down to is that the legitmate Mafia is offended because they figure Brian did not pay tribute - or protection money....so if you can shake down a former Prime Minister - then who the hell is really in control of this nation - certainly not the government...Brian is the government.

[Martin Odber]

I do not believe that it is fair to blame Mr Mulroney or any other politician who has abused their power. Party paradigms, party whips, sacrificing one issue to hopefully buy another, personal objectives, pressures from the big businessmen who funded your campaign, the futility of a pendulum system where you do something and the next person unravels it, the list of things that can corrupt our representatives is near endless. Mr Mulroney is not the root of this issue, Mr Mulroney is yet another scapegoat of the system itself. Today you talk about him, yesterday it was someone else, tomorrow it will be yet another. Its useless to address the symptoms, how long until we learn that to affect change we must address the roots?

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[Oleg Bach]

A two thousand dollar suit and "honourable" in front of your name grants immunity from being called a crook. Most should if they can realize that just because a certain individual becomes establishement...an establishement based on wealth not ethic----- THINK - that if you are rich you are not a crook. ALL of our wealthest and most influential men are ALL crooks - to gather great wealth - There must be two piles of cash - one pile becomes bigger though the theft from the other pile - the smaller pile is deemed crimminal and those on top of the big heap are deemed respectable - reality dictates it's the other way around. "Behind every great fortune is a great crime" _ You can not become fabulously rich with out being a crook - it's impossible.

[Sir Bandelot]

Mr Mulroney is yet another scapegoat of the system itself.

Do you think that somehow absolves him of wrongdoing? Blame the system? No I would not vote for that.

Referendums are stupid if the people are not properly educated in all aspects of the issue, as politicians typically are. We do not have time to go over 100's of hours of debates on every single issue. Nor do I believe that the majority is always right, for example in complex matters of foreign affairs. The majority believes whatever propaganda the media feeds us.

Edited May 25, 2009 by Sir Bandelot

[Oleg Bach]

Do you think that somehow absolves him of wrongdoing? Blame the system? No I would not vote for that.

Referendums are stupid if the people are not properly educated in all aspects of the issue, as politicians typically are. We do not have time to go over 100's of hours of debates on every single issue. Nor do I believe that the majority is always right, for example in complex matters of foreign affairs. The majority believes whatever propaganda the media feeds us.

Geroge Bernard Shaw - a socialist even said "The majority is always wrong" - that's why governing by poll is a huge error. A million flys on a shit pile will dispise the one fly that says _ Hey - the honey tastes better than crap - THEN the million poop flys will say _ "That fly eating honey is evil"