Northwest Passage

On Guard for Thee · April 25, 2015

Cape Parry has been automated since the 1980s........as is the majority of the former DEW sites (now CAM-NWS), with only several such sites with military and civilian personal throughout the year.

Thats right. And its serviced every 90 days or so by a crew out of Inuvik. The kitchen was installed just before it was automated. Trust the military to waste money. But it was sure fun to cook in.

Derek 2.0 · April 25, 2015

Thats right. And its serviced every 90 days or so by a crew out of Inuvik. The kitchen was installed just before it was automated. Trust the military to waste money. But it was sure fun to cook in.

Ahhh no......All service of NWS sites in the Western Arctic is from Calgary, via Yellowknife, via Cambridge Bay...(Don't start another derail, I currently work for RCL in the Kitikmeot region)

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Likewise, its hardly a waste of money, no more so than automating lighthouses along the coasts.

On Guard for Thee · April 25, 2015

Ahhh no......All service of NWS sites in the Western Arctic is from Calgary, via Yellowknife, via Cambridge Bay...(Don't start another derail, I currently work for RCL in the Kitikmeot region)

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Likewise, its hardly a waste of money, no more so than automating lighthouses along the coasts.

The kitchen was the waste I was referring to, not the automation.

Derek 2.0 · April 25, 2015

The kitchen was the waste I was referring to, not the automation.

Automation of such sites is not a sovereignty issue........subsidizing Northern (Eskimo/Inuit) communities is, as a continual presence within the Arctic is what maintains Canadian sovereignty, of which, vast sums of money are spent annually, regardless of prudent costings.........

On Guard for Thee · April 25, 2015

Automation of such sites is not a sovereignty issue........subsidizing Northern (Eskimo/Inuit) communities is, as a continual presence within the Arctic is what maintains Canadian sovereignty, of which, vast sums of money are spent annually, regardless of prudent costings.........

The sites are definitely a sovereignty issue, perhaps more US than Canadian, since they paid for most of it, but that kitchen in Parry is great.

Derek 2.0 · April 25, 2015

The sites are definitely a sovereignty issue, perhaps more US than Canadian, since they paid for most of it, but that kitchen in Parry is great.

Canada pays ~40% of NWS costs, ~100% of the costs of remediation (of Canadian DEW sites) and 100% the money used to maintain our current Arctic presence........The Arctic is as important to our current Government as it is to the Americans, as it has provided an elastic buffer to both nations collective defense for decades......

On Guard for Thee · April 25, 2015

Canada pays ~40% of NWS costs, ~100% of the costs of remediation (of Canadian DEW sites) and 100% the money used to maintain our current Arctic presence........The Arctic is as important to our current Government as it is to the Americans, as it has provided an elastic buffer to both nations collective defense for decades......

I know, I used to work for Nasittuq.

Derek 2.0 · April 25, 2015

I know, I used to work for Nasittuq.

Your point?

On Guard for Thee · April 25, 2015

Your point?

Thats how I came to know the kitchen at Parry etc.

Derek 2.0 · April 25, 2015

Thats how I came to know the kitchen at Parry etc.

So you're stating you know the kitchen at the Cape Parry DEW site, closed ~30 years ago, by working for a company (that is owned and employs local Inuit) that was created in the mid-late 1990s ..........outstanding!!!! I'll leave you here, yet again, to your delusions...... :lol:

On Guard for Thee · April 25, 2015

So you're stating you know the kitchen at the Cape Parry DEW site, closed ~30 years ago, by working for a company (that is owned and employs local Inuit) that was created in the mid-late 1990s ..........outstanding!!!! I'll leave you here, yet again, to your delusions......

It wasnt close, it was turned into a NWS site. Of the crew at Nasittuq I worked with, two were Inuit. More in the office of course. You should do some research. Here is a question to start with, where do you think the radio operator was located that monitored Arctic Radio...

Michael Hardner · April 25, 2015

Let's stick to the topic rather than the odd discussion of arcane facts, and trying to cross-examine each other like Hercule Poirot in the last few pages of the mystery...

Bob Macadoo · April 25, 2015

Let's stick to the topic rather than the odd discussion of arcane facts, and trying to cross-examine each other like Hercule Poirot in the last few pages of the mystery...

Derek still has to release.....so much military sword crossing......he's liable to faint from lack of blood to the brain.

poochy · April 25, 2015

"With climate change and ice melt, the Northwest Passage is becoming a viable transportation route - for commerce and also creates security issues."

It is, exactly when is that? two weeks in August maybe?

http://home.comcast.net/~ewerme/wuwt/cryo_latest.jpg

poochy · April 25, 2015

It wasnt close, it was turned into a NWS site. Of the crew at Nasittuq I worked with, two were Inuit. More in the office of course. You should do some research. Here is a question to start with, where do you think the radio operator was located that monitored Arctic Radio...

As an aside, Nasittuq lost the contract, it's all Raytheon now.

On Guard for Thee · April 25, 2015

As an aside, Nasittuq lost the contract, it's all Raytheon now.

Yep. And its been a few years since I worked for them. Too damn cold up there anyway.

Derek 2.0 · April 25, 2015

As an aside, Nasittuq lost the contract, it's all Raytheon now.

Exactly, Nasittuq's 3-5 year contracts (1999-2014) ended last Spring, replaced by a far more competitive RCL-SSD bid.........savings for the taxpayer, Raytheon has no need for cooks in long since unmanned sites for example, well still making use (when needed) of local labour, be it local ground transport, accommodation and annual sealift stevedores......

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Of course, the above example is one of many (As I'm sure you've also gleamed) in the Arctic, as little to none of the required skilled fields are being filled by locals, due in part to poor education and cyclical (at best) employment tenures.........In the case of Nunavut, due in large part to the land claims settlements, there is not an investment friendly climate to be had (unlike the NWT or the Yukon)......in effect, much of the Canadian Arctic, is a Government funded self-licking ice cream cone......

If we actually wish to change this going forward, as a country, we'll have to tear down the barriers preventing the De Beers, the Rio Tintos', the Shells and Suncors' from investing in much of the Arctic.......until then, more of the same, in a land where people on welfare pay $7.50 for a can of pop and a broken arm or wisdom tooth is a $40k flight to Yellowknife at taxpayers expense.....

On Guard for Thee · April 26, 2015

Derek still has to release.....so much military sword crossing......he's liable to faint from lack of blood to the brain.

Believe it or not, I have some fame in certain circles for my turkey dinners cooked at Cape Parry. Wasnt my job but such a kitchen....it was easy.

Big Guy · April 26, 2015

To Michael - I have noticed that you have chosen to attach my OP to a thread which was active 8 years ago. I ask why?

This is a limit to the number of issues that will crop up as time goes on. I suggest that any current thread could be attached to a previous one - but - that would mean that a potential participant would have to read through all the previous posts, decide if their particular point of view has been presented properly and decide whether to contribute. I base my interest on the history and consequently credibility of the poster. I have no idea who these posters were 8 years ago.

I suggest that if you or other posters feel that an issue had been discussed to death in the past then allow the thread to die on its own, allow those who were not on this board 8 years ago to post their views and allow the posters to decide if the conditions have changed over the last 8 years.

I assume that you melded this OP with a previous one in an attempt to make things easier for posters. The process does not make things easier for me. Thank you for your efforts.

Michael Hardner · April 26, 2015

To Michael - I have noticed that you have chosen to attach my OP to a thread which was active 8 years ago. I ask why?

Do you mean this post by you ?

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/6604-northwest-passage/?p=1048759

Your assumption is wrong. I didn't move it to this thread - I assumed you revived the thread yourself.

Big Guy · April 26, 2015

Michael - I did not. This is no big deal but read post #346.

Michael Hardner · April 26, 2015

I will leave the other mods to comment then.

Michael Hardner · April 26, 2015

To add: My memory seems to be quite bad recently, but I honestly don't remember moving it.

bush_cheney2004 · April 26, 2015

It has long been common practice on this forum for mods to combine identical or very similar topics into one thread.

Works fine IMHO.

Big Guy · April 27, 2015

I have often suspected that certain avatars are actually catalysts created by the board owners to keep the pot stirring and encourage controversy and subsequently more "action". They are given leeway that does not appear to be in keeping with the parameters applied to other posters. I have no problem with that process - I have used the same tactic myself in the past.

That is why I do not react to or respond to certain "posters" whose only function seems to be to aggravate other posters.