Why Jack Layton is on an anti-war theme

[Argus]

According to a recent poll some 22% of Canadians are dumb. They believe that it was George Bush who ran airplanes into buildings on September 11, 5 years ago - empty airplanes, and that he fired a cruise missile into the Pentagon. All this so he could have a happy war.

Now we see Layton's strategy more clearly. He realizes that dumb people are the primary supporters of the NDP, and he's found a whole new source of recruits and voters. Acording to the media, his last speech made it sound like he was going to run the next election against George Bush. Again, a great plan when your supporters and potential supporters are dumb.

Layton will run on the Kyoto Accord - even though he has no idea whatever how to actually meet our obligations under it or how many billions that would cost, against Afghanistan - an American war, and against the softwood lumber agreement - evil Americans refusing to bow to our superior arguments.

Dumb and Dumber will be the new campaign theme.

[M.Dancer]

Why Jack Layton is on an anti-war theme?

Ummm....what is he supposed to do? Picture Jack trying to be grim and manly....in a pink Harry Rosen dress shirt, at the BC nurse's association...........

Getting Jack to support the war on terror would be like getting Harper to support the nationalization of industry.......

[lost&outofcontrol]

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Dumb and Dumber will be the new campaign theme.

Wow, what a great way to start a conversation. Brand everyone who disagrees with you a dumbass... I'm sure this will be a great discussion. The perfect definition of a troll?

[August1991]

Here's a link to the poll:

One in five Canadians believes the attacks on the United States on September 11, 2001, had nothing to do with Osama Bin Laden and were actually a plot by influential Americans, according to a poll released on Monday.

The Ipsos-Reid poll found that 22 percent of Canadians, and 26 percent of young Canadians, agree with the conspiracy theory. The number was the highest, at 32 percent, in Quebec, which has shown the least support for the U.S. war on terror.

John Kennedy said that if he had 80% support, then it meant he had everyone. There are bound to be about 20% of the population who don't know, don't care or don't understand.

Still, I can't explain this result. I'm afraid that people with more education are more likely to believe in this nonsense.

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As to Layton, I figure that he knows what the NDP base wants and he knows that a majority of Canadians are doubtful of this Afghan mission. In political terms, his position is a no-brainer.

[M.Dancer]

I think part of the problem as to why Canadians are not lining up behind this mission is how it has been packaged for consumption.

I think Canadians have the capacity to take the mission seriously, but the gov't chooses to send a small number of troops. We send larger contingents to the Olympics.....Korea for instance, Canada had deployed more than 20,000 troops overall.

Now with such a small number takes a fatality, the fatality seems quite large in proportion.

It may not be too late, but if the mission is serious and and it is worth the sacrifice and their blood, then send more troops, more armour......

[Figleaf]

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Edited July 21, 2007 by Figleaf

[Hicksey]

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Dumb and Dumber will be the new campaign theme.

Wow, what a great way to start a conversation. Brand everyone who disagrees with you a dumbass... I'm sure this will be a great discussion. The perfect definition of a troll?

Even the Liberals, while I disagree with them on 95% of issues have some methodology to their madness and you can at least understand why they have the policies they do.

Jack Layton wants to plunge this country in the depths of true socialism from the place we occupy on the border between capitalism and socialism now. And the funniest thing in the world is that most of the elitists that support him have no clue that they to would lose all the splendor they now enjoy. You think our policies keep the rich rich and the poor poor now? What the hell do you think socialism is going to do to help that? Absolutely nothing, that's what. And the worse part is that the only people sufficiently powerless that the state can take from them to supply the masses will be the middle class. You think we live in a welfare society now? Just wait.

[August1991]

Rather than casting aspersions and pretending to know what you're talking about, how about explaining why you disagree with their position.

Uh, Figleaf. Do you believe that Bush ordered planes to be flown into the World Trade Center?

Then you'd have to believe that Bush also ordered the bombings in Bali, in Madrid and London. He must have ordered the school-hostage taking in Beslan and the theatre invasion in Moscow. (Well, he wasn't President then so I guess Clinton was in on this too...)

All of these conspiracy theories are so American-centric, and that's the tip off (if you need one) to know that they're false.

[Argus]

According to a recent poll some 22% of Canadians are dumb. They believe that it was George Bush who ran airplanes into buildings on September 11, 5 years ago - empty airplanes, and that he fired a cruise missile into the Pentagon. All this so he could have a happy war.

Rather than casting aspersions and pretending to know what you're talking about, how about explaining why you disagree with their position.

Because they're dumb. Because they're ludicrously paranoid and unrealistic in their ideas about what motivates men like Bush, absurd in their misconceptions about science, laughably inept in their errors about the actual events, and haven't a single, solitary shred of evidence to contradict the mountain of evidence on the other side.

Because they're DUMB.

[watching&waiting]

Layton is just another flake, that thinks that speaking about the horrors of war and cry about the human costs of such a thing, are just grossly out of wack. He forgets about our own history and the things that we have fought for and many paid with their lives for that freedom. He just does not seem to know that it is the same freedom we are bringing to Afghanistan, and yes it is something that has a cost in human lives. We have just become so sanitary about war. It seems that people think that there can be a war with no casualties, and that is just not the way it works. The deaths in this war so far have been so small that compared to other wars this would just not even register.

Right now we are fighting the Taliban and the extremist Muslims that want nothing more then to kill and crush all others from the face of the earth. Layton wants us to sit down and befriend these people and maybe they will agree not to bomb innocent people who may be in the markets or any other way going about daily chores. These people do not want to exists with us, but rather want to wipe us from the face of the earth. They know that if they were to actually from a real army they would then be easier to be seen as they would have uniforms etc.. But they preferr the cover of posing as innocent people and killing and maiming as many innocent people as they can, all in the name of extreme Islam. So how does one try to negoiate with this kind of mind set?

Layton is dead wrong in opposing the war in Afghanistan and he knows nothing about why we need to take this stand here, to make it clear that Canada will fight for the rights and freedoms of oppressed people and we will not only fight for them, we will carry on that fight until the end if necessay. Layton believes he can make political hay with this and I only can say that he will lose in the end, but then again he should be used to losing. The NDP point of views are really not anywhere near what the mainstream Cnadians would want. Even a large number of their supporters would not be so quick to support things if they ever really understood what the party is all about. They are there more in the form of protest then really believeing in the cause. It will never be a governing party at the national level, because Canada is just not ever going to go that far left, no matter what the times may bring.

It would be a shame if during this next sitting of parliament, that the NDP and Bloc can garner enough support to cause Canada to pull our troops. I do not think it will go that way, as I think may be after some debate it will become clearer that Canada must do something to take a stand against all forms of extreme religious insurgencies, no matter where in the world they may be. We are in the process of expanding our military and equipping them better, and most Canadians agree that is a good thing. But we also need to be ready to use the military in causes that go beyond just peace keeping. We must also have forces with the ability to take the fight back at the enemies, because they will not be long in bringing the fight to us here in Canada.

[uOttawaMan]

Best. Thread. Ever.

I'm going to run on an anti-Jack platform.

First ever independent majority, a vote all but 19 ridings will go for, maybe less if they have woken up now.

[scribblet]

Taliban Jack is trying to cash in on anti-Americanism which will likely resonate with those so inclined.

The NDP proposals have given us a very clear look into what we can expect if they should ever gain power, Did not the U.N. go into into Lebanon in the 70s supposedly to keep peace and 'disarm' Hezbollah? So the NDP now want Canadian troops to try this once more, against terrorists better armed than before.

[Topaz]

It's not just 22% of Canadians that think that, so do alot of Americans and probably half the world. Do you think that's it impossible to plan an attack within the US or any country by some people in government?? Do you believe that Bush had planned in the invasion of Iraq before he was president? Answer is Yes, he did. They started talking about it at the first meeting as told by the secretary of Treasurer book I read. Perhaps Jack is worried that we'll get tied down in Afghanistan like the US is in Iraq and they don't how they are going to get out. The cost is 10 Bil a month for their invasion. Canada can't afford a war like that and Harper shouldn't have committed us there longer than Feb.'07, or at least only on yearly bases. The Canadian military are out trying to recruit right now and they probably won't get too many, unless they try to mislead the young people like they do in the US. Let's face it, there's too many unknowns in this war and we could get in real trouble and lose alot of our military in the process.

[Rovik]

According to a recent poll some 22% of Canadians are dumb. They believe that it was George Bush who ran airplanes into buildings on September 11, 5 years ago - empty airplanes, and that he fired a cruise missile into the Pentagon. All this so he could have a happy war.

Now we see Layton's strategy more clearly. He realizes that dumb people are the primary supporters of the NDP, and he's found a whole new source of recruits and voters. Acording to the media, his last speech made it sound like he was going to run the next election against George Bush. Again, a great plan when your supporters and potential supporters are dumb.

Layton will run on the Kyoto Accord - even though he has no idea whatever how to actually meet our obligations under it or how many billions that would cost, against Afghanistan - an American war, and against the softwood lumber agreement - evil Americans refusing to bow to our superior arguments.

Dumb and Dumber will be the new campaign theme.

For someone who fancies himself as "smarter than the average bear," this is not what I would call intelligent discourse, in fact it borders on insulting and name-calling. If I or any others came on here and said the same of Harper and the Conservatives, I would be attacked and called a troll in the nth degree.

First, did Layton ever say that the 9/11 disaster was in fact orchestrated by Bush? So trying to make that link, even indirectly is quite frankly...sad. And how do you know that 100% of those 22% would vote NDP. Some of those 22%, heaven forbid, might even be Conservatives.

Second, many people would argue that Harper's ditching of Kyoto is a gigantic-dumb move that risks the planet's future and is appeasement to Big Oil, though personally I would call the move misguided. In regard to the softwood lumber agreement, I believe that any agreement that allows the Americans to keep $1 Billion dollars of money that is rightfully Canada's (even the WTO and NAFTO agree) is suspect. I won't even touch upon the other aspects of the deal that makes it questionable. And just because one is pro-Kyoto and against the softwood trade agreement doesn't make one automatically Anti-American.

And going back to your calling 22% of the population dumb. There was a poll done by CNN that asked if people believed that Saddam Hussein had anything to do with 9/11. 43% responded yes, even though there has not one single thread of proof that there was a link and in fact, with Saddam's dislike of Al Queda, seems very unlikely. The sad thing is the Bush administration, for the longest time, ran with this and used it as one of its justifications to attack Iraq even without proof.

Do i believe that 43% of the US's population is dumb? No...just misguided.

[Argus]

It's not just 22% of Canadians that think that, so do alot of Americans and probably half the world. Do you think that's it impossible to plan an attack within the US or any country by some people in government??

Basically, yes. Nor is there anywhere near sufficient motivation for that kind of prodigiously complex, difficult and horrendously dangerous effort.

Perhaps Jack is worried that we'll get tied down in Afghanistan like the US is in Iraq and they don't how they are going to get out.

That would imply Layton cared a damn about what happened to Canadian soldiers, which I don't believe for a second. Layton is merely being opportunistic and playing to the polls of stupid people.

Canada can't afford a war like that and Harper shouldn't have committed us there longer than Feb.'07,

Who says we can't afford a war there? Have you seen any economic studies? Are on the edge of bankruptcy? Are you suggesting this is all about money? Is that what the NDP is about? Money?

Let's face it, there's too many unknowns in this war and we could get in real trouble and lose alot of our military in the process.

Blithering nonsense. We've taken a few dozen casualties. Not to mock their sacrifice, but to a country the size of Canada that's less than chicken feed, that's not even noticeable. Even ten or twenty or thirty times that is unnoticeable.

We have a moral duty to stand by our friends, and to ourselves to aid in preventing the rise of another terrorist haven. People like Layton don't care about anything but the sleaziest of political games. But others have the foresight to be willing to pay a small price in prevention rather than wait until bombs are going off in Canada.

[Argus]

According to a recent poll some 22% of Canadians are dumb. They believe that it was George Bush who ran airplanes into buildings on September 11, 5 years ago - empty airplanes, and that he fired a cruise missile into the Pentagon. All this so he could have a happy war.

Now we see Layton's strategy more clearly. He realizes that dumb people are the primary supporters of the NDP, and he's found a whole new source of recruits and voters. Acording to the media, his last speech made it sound like he was going to run the next election against George Bush. Again, a great plan when your supporters and potential supporters are dumb.

Layton will run on the Kyoto Accord - even though he has no idea whatever how to actually meet our obligations under it or how many billions that would cost, against Afghanistan - an American war, and against the softwood lumber agreement - evil Americans refusing to bow to our superior arguments.

Dumb and Dumber will be the new campaign theme.

For someone who fancies himself as "smarter than the average bear," this is not what I would call intelligent discourse, in fact it borders on insulting and name-calling. If I or any others came on here and said the same of Harper and the Conservatives, I would be attacked and called a troll in the nth degree.

Nonsense. Gerryhatrick does it all the time. Besides, anyone who thinks Bush planned 911 is pure dumb. I don't care what political party they support, or if they vote at all. They're the pure essence of DUMB.

First, did Layton ever say that the 9/11 disaster was in fact orchestrated by Bush? So trying to make that link, even indirectly is quite frankly...sad. And how do you know that 100% of those 22% would vote NDP. Some of those 22%, heaven forbid, might even be Conservatives.

I think Layton is reading the poll breakdowns and seeing a mass of young, dumb people who don't know much about anything and who can be swayed with platitudes and empty words, and sees in their suspicion about Bush and their dislike of Afghanistan (largely because of their suspicion of Americans) an opportunity for profit.

Second, many people would argue that Harper's ditching of Kyoto is a gigantic-dumb move that risks the planet's future and is appeasement to Big Oil, though personally I would call the move misguided.

There is a vast difference between ditching our obligations under a treaty when we have not the slightest fragment of a chance of meeting those obligations - and when the treaty itself would have at best a slightly more than insignificant effect on global warming - and believing in a bizzaroland conspiracy of such epic proportions that only someone out of touch with the basic realities of human existence could ever believe it would work and not get out almost instantly.

In regard to the softwood lumber agreement, I believe that any agreement allows the Americans to keep $1 Billion dollars of money that is rightfully Canada's (even the WTO and NAFTO agree) is suspect.

Softwood lumber was a major irritant in our trade relationship, even though it was a miniscule proportion of our trade. It had been blown up by idiotic nationalists into something which was damaging relations, and under the circumstances, and given political, legal, and economic realities, only a blithering imbecile would insist on continuing to try to back the Americans all the way down rather than settling for a compromise which gives us almost everything we wanted.

I won't even touch upon the other aspects of the deal that makes it questionable. And just because one is pro-Kyoto and against the softwood trade agreement doesn't make one automatically Anti-American.

Not automatically, but I wouldn't be surprised.

And going back to your calling 22% of the population dumb. There was a poll done by CNN that asked if people believed that Saddam Hussein had anything to do with 9/11. 43% responded yes, even

Again, you're equating apples and oranges. A lot of people almost never watch the news or read newspaperes, and they only catch passing bits and pieces of the news here and there. I dissaprove of this, but what can you do? In any event, there's a difference between poorly informed people who are going on what they heard, or think they heard (especially given the administration's earnest efforts at tying the two together) and people who actually take the time to listen to a dumb conspiracy theory (which you have to do in order to believe in one) and then say to themselves "Duhhh, yeah, dat makes sense to meeee."

[B. Max]

According to a recent poll some 22% of Canadians are dumb. They believe that it was George Bush who ran airplanes into buildings on September 11, 5 years ago - empty airplanes, and that he fired a cruise missile into the Pentagon. All this so he could have a happy war.

Now we see Layton's strategy more clearly. He realizes that dumb people are the primary supporters of the NDP, and he's found a whole new source of recruits and voters. Acording to the media, his last speech made it sound like he was going to run the next election against George Bush. Again, a great plan when your supporters and potential supporters are dumb.

Layton will run on the Kyoto Accord - even though he has no idea whatever how to actually meet our obligations under it or how many billions that would cost, against Afghanistan - an American war, and against the softwood lumber agreement - evil Americans refusing to bow to our superior arguments.

Dumb and Dumber will be the new campaign theme.

For someone who fancies himself as "smarter than the average bear," this is not what I would call intelligent discourse, in fact it borders on insulting and name-calling. If I or any others came on here and said the same of Harper and the Conservatives, I would be attacked and called a troll in the nth degree.

First, did Layton ever say that the 9/11 disaster was in fact orchestrated by Bush? So trying to make that link, even indirectly is quite frankly...sad. And how do you know that 100% of those 22% would vote NDP. Some of those 22%, heaven forbid, might even be Conservatives.

Second, many people would argue that Harper's ditching of Kyoto is a gigantic-dumb move that risks the planet's future and is appeasement to Big Oil, though personally I would call the move misguided. In regard to the softwood lumber agreement, I believe that any agreement that allows the Americans to keep $1 Billion dollars of money that is rightfully Canada's (even the WTO and NAFTO agree) is suspect. I won't even touch upon the other aspects of the deal that makes it questionable. And just because one is pro-Kyoto and against the softwood trade agreement doesn't make one automatically Anti-American.

And going back to your calling 22% of the population dumb. There was a poll done by CNN that asked if people believed that Saddam Hussein had anything to do with 9/11. 43% responded yes, even though there has not one single thread of proof that there was a link and in fact, with Saddam's dislike of Al Queda, seems very unlikely. The sad thing is the Bush administration, for the longest time, ran with this and used it as one of its justifications to attack Iraq even without proof.

Do i believe that 43% of the US's population is dumb? No...just misguided.

Actually the evidence of saddam's connection to Al Queda is overwhelming.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/9/17/232349.shtml

[geoffrey]

Actually the evidence of saddam's connection to Al Queda is overwhelming.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/9/17/232349.shtml

I'm pretty right wing and slightly pro-Iraq intervention and I don't even believe in a connection. There are so many better reasons for intervention then al-Qaeda, play with those.

[Electric Monk]

Ok I'm going to take this one phrase at a time and paraphrase it for clarity, please correct any misunderstandings if you see any.

According to a recent poll some 22% of Canadians are dumb. They believe that it was George Bush who ran airplanes into buildings on September 11, 5 years ago - empty airplanes, and that he fired a cruise missile into the Pentagon. All this so he could have a happy war.

22% of Canadians believe that the American government was complicit in the 9/11 attacks so that they could launch a war, this means that they are dumb.

Now we see Layton's strategy more clearly. He realizes that dumb people are the primary supporters of the NDP, and he's found a whole new source of recruits and voters. Acording to the media, his last speech made it sound like he was going to run the next election against George Bush. Again, a great plan when your supporters and potential supporters are dumb.

Here is where the mind-reading begins again: Layton realizes that most of the people who vote NDP are dumb, and he needs more voters. The media reported that his last speech was mostly anti-Bush, and only dumb people believe that George Bush could be wrong.

Layton will run on the Kyoto Accord - even though he has no idea whatever how to actually meet our obligations under it or how many billions that would cost, against Afghanistan - an American war, and against the softwood lumber agreement - evil Americans refusing to bow to our superior arguments.

Dumb and Dumber will be the new campaign theme.

Layton is so dumb that he has no idea how we can meet the targets of the Kyoto Accord, even though he is going to base his platform on it. He is so dumb that he is against the war in Afghanistan because he thinks it is an American war, and he refuses to support the softwood lumber agreement because he thinks the Americans "on the other side of the table" are evil.

Now why didn't you just save all of us some reading time and say "Stupid NDP"?

[lost&outofcontrol]

Actually the evidence of saddam's connection to Al Queda is overwhelming.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/9/17/232349.shtml

Senate(you know the senate? the one dominated by republicans) panel finds no prewar Iraq-Qaeda link

Saddam Hussein had no relationship with al Qaeda, including Iraq-based guerrilla Abu Musab al Zarqawi, despite claims by President George W. Bush and other administration officials, a Senate report released on Friday said.

Today's reports show that the administration's repeated allegations of a past, present and future relationship between al Qaeda and Iraq were wrong and intended to exploit the deep sense of insecurity among Americans in the immediate aftermath of the September 11th attacks,"

[Hicksey]

Ok I'm going to take this one phrase at a time and paraphrase it for clarity, please correct any misunderstandings if you see any.

According to a recent poll some 22% of Canadians are dumb. They believe that it was George Bush who ran airplanes into buildings on September 11, 5 years ago - empty airplanes, and that he fired a cruise missile into the Pentagon. All this so he could have a happy war.

22% of Canadians believe that the American government was complicit in the 9/11 attacks so that they could launch a war, this means that they are dumb.

Now we see Layton's strategy more clearly. He realizes that dumb people are the primary supporters of the NDP, and he's found a whole new source of recruits and voters. Acording to the media, his last speech made it sound like he was going to run the next election against George Bush. Again, a great plan when your supporters and potential supporters are dumb.

Here is where the mind-reading begins again: Layton realizes that most of the people who vote NDP are dumb, and he needs more voters. The media reported that his last speech was mostly anti-Bush, and only dumb people believe that George Bush could be wrong.

Layton will run on the Kyoto Accord - even though he has no idea whatever how to actually meet our obligations under it or how many billions that would cost, against Afghanistan - an American war, and against the softwood lumber agreement - evil Americans refusing to bow to our superior arguments.

Dumb and Dumber will be the new campaign theme.

Layton is so dumb that he has no idea how we can meet the targets of the Kyoto Accord, even though he is going to base his platform on it. He is so dumb that he is against the war in Afghanistan because he thinks it is an American war, and he refuses to support the softwood lumber agreement because he thinks the Americans "on the other side of the table" are evil.

Now why didn't you just save all of us some reading time and say "Stupid NDP"?

Like any sane person, it he assumed it was a given.

[Hicksey]

Amidst of all the whining and complaining about the CPC continuation of a deployment that both the Liberals and NDP approved of just a year ago, all we hear is about how much more virtuous their position is than that of the CPC.

I read an opinion piece in the Toronto Sun I wholeheartedly agree with. The relevant parts are noted below and the rest can be found HERE.

Yep, that's what you have to believe if you buy the argument of a patriot like NDP Leader Jack Layton, who argues Harper is wilfully acting as U.S. President George Bush's stooge by committing our troops to fighting in southern Afghanistan in order to ... uh ... in order to do what, Jack?

Commit political suicide? Deliberately drive down his popularity in anti-war Quebec in order to prevent the Conservatives from winning a majority next time out? Stir the wrath of the soft Liberal voters he's trying to win over in Ontario by siding in a war with an American president they generally loathe?

Why would Harper pursue a policy of continuing military engagement in Afghanistan, knowing it is unpopular with the very voters he needs to win a majority government next time out, unless ... unless ... he's acting on principle?

But apparently while it is possible for the Liberals and NDP to act on principle, anything Stephen Harper does must be the result of both collusion and conspiracy with George Bush.

And both of these parties contend that when Harper appears to take a principled stand, it's only because he has a "hidden agenda" to do something else. In this case, according to their logic, to deliberately lose the next election. Sure, guys.

We know the Liberals and NDP have many principles. And that if you don't like the ones they have now, all you have to do is wait a while and they'll have some new ones.

For those keeping count, here's that Liberal and NDP principle for you.

For example, Layton supported Canada's military mission to Kandahar a year ago. Now he opposes it. Ditto most Liberals, who chose the dangerous Kandahar mission for our troops when they were in power, and likewise now oppose it.

We believe Harper has as many principles about Afghanistan as the NDP and most of the Liberal caucus.

The only difference is, he's actually sticking to them

[Black Dog]

Actually the evidence of saddam's connection to Al Queda is overwhelming.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/9/17/232349.shtml

BWAHAHAHA!!!

"The case against Iraq is based on three things. First, Mohamed Atta, believed to be the key organizer of the September 11th attacks, met earlier this year with an Iraqi agent in Prague.

No such meeting occured. Strike one.

"Second, Iraq's stockpiled anthrax as a biological weapon.

There were no anthrax stockpiles. Strike two.

And third, recent allegations that there's a camp in Iraq where foreign terrorists are trained. The allegation about the terrorist training camp comes through a recent Iraqi defector. According to this story, the camp is located near the town of Salman Pak, southeast of Baghdad, and it contains a Boeing jetliner that could be used to train hijackers how to seize a plane."

Ah yes: the "smoking gun" that the admnistration has almost totally ignored. Salman Pak was used as a bio weapons site and special forces training area. But there's no evidence it was used asa "terrorist traning facility". Strike three. You're out.

[B. Max]

Actually the evidence of saddam's connection to Al Queda is overwhelming.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/9/17/232349.shtml

BWAHAHAHA!!!

"The case against Iraq is based on three things. First, Mohamed Atta, believed to be the key organizer of the September 11th attacks, met earlier this year with an Iraqi agent in Prague.

No such meeting occured. Strike one.

"Second, Iraq's stockpiled anthrax as a biological weapon.

There were no anthrax stockpiles. Strike two.

And third, recent allegations that there's a camp in Iraq where foreign terrorists are trained. The allegation about the terrorist training camp comes through a recent Iraqi defector. According to this story, the camp is located near the town of Salman Pak, southeast of Baghdad, and it contains a Boeing jetliner that could be used to train hijackers how to seize a plane."

Ah yes: the "smoking gun" that the admnistration has almost totally ignored. Salman Pak was used as a bio weapons site and special forces training area. But there's no evidence it was used asa "terrorist traning facility". Strike three. You're out.

To say there is no evidence is ridiculous, and even one 911 commissioner has changed his mind. A dem no less.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2...26/185610.shtml

Although he is careful to note that the 1995 deal does not implicate Hussein 'directly' in the 9/11 attacks, he says, "It does tie him into a circle that meant to damage the United States."

He adds that the relationship between Hussein and bin Laden will eventually become clear as more intelligence is translated and analyzed.

So, once again, the 'official government' position (as outlined in the work product of the 9/11 Commission) was incorrect. Gosh-oh-gee-golly!

[Black Dog]

To say there is no evidence is ridiculous, and even one 911 commissioner has changed his mind. A dem no less.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2...26/185610.shtml

Although he is careful to note that the 1995 deal does not implicate Hussein 'directly' in the 9/11 attacks, he says, "It does tie him into a circle that meant to damage the United States."

He adds that the relationship between Hussein and bin Laden will eventually become clear as more intelligence is translated and analyzed.

So, once again, the 'official government' position (as outlined in the work product of the 9/11 Commission) was incorrect. Gosh-oh-gee-golly!

I'm not gonna contribute to any more thread drift, but I will put the question to you that the departed Monty Burns was asked and never answered: if there is strong evidence of a bin Laden/Iraq connection, why isn't the Bush administration pushing said connection with the same vigour they formerly pushed the WMDs? After all, such a connection would vindicate their decision to invade Iraq in the first place and bolster their contention that it was a necessary part of the "war on terror". Yet the administration has been very recitent to make such claims, leaving me to wonder why they would sit on information that could be of enormous poitical benefit to them and leave it to fringe outlets like NewsMax to report.