Canadians insult America (again)

[yam]

Metaphorically speaking, its rather like battered woman syndrome.

We vote them in, get abused and vote in another who is exactly the same and so the cycle of life goes on.

being battered is deemed powerful by the abuser and the abused.

[PocketRocket]

So this entire thread is started off by a poll that says many Canadians believe USA foreign policy was a motivational force behind the 9/11 attacks.

And this is called an insult to America from Canada.

An opinion poll.

At least it's not the Canadian government coming out and blaming the USA for all our problems.

But on the other hand.......

I guess it was okay for the USA to immediately point the finger of blame at Canada during the big power outage a few years ago, despite evidence to the contrary.

I guess the thinking was that it MUST be Canada's fault, 'cause we be a backwards little liberal country that cain't know nothin' 'bout how 'lectricity works.

Yup.

But it was later proven that the domino effect began at a power facility in Michigan.

But hey, it's politically expedient to blame Canada.

And the 9/11 attackers must have come in to the USA through Canada.

MUST be true, 'cause Canada's a backwards little liberal country that likes letting terrorist-types traipse freely across its borders without any serious security measures being taken.

But then it came to light that some of these terrorists had been in the USA for years, and had actually taken flight training in the USA.

But hey, it's politically expedient to blame Canada.

The whole softwood lumber dispute was justified because the Canadian government was subsidizing our lumber industry.

Except it was proven time and again that it just wasn't so.

But hey, it's politically expedient to blame Canada.

Why let the truth get in the way of of making a little political currency???

Whenever it suits the purpose of the US government to blame Canada, the fingers all start pointing north, so get over it.

It happens on both sides of the border, and will continue to happen long after we're all gone.

[M.Dancer]

and the Whitehouse burned

and we're the ones that did it

One of those myths that will just never die.

1. "Canadians", (a loose term since there was no 'Canada' in 1812),...

Gee that's funny.......I suppose this Map made in 1730 is wrong......On the otherhand, if you are correct, by your reasoning, such that it is...there were absolutely no Americans in 1775

http://www.carto.com/maps/9909067.jpg

[M.Dancer]

3. The sacking of Washington, the brutal killings and rapes that came from it and the useless vandalism of such a nice building, essentially the attempt to raze Washington was entirely a typical British burn-and-destroy 'tactic' they were known to employ throughout their war with the colonies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Washington

This is nothing more than soil enhancement propagated by unhistorical movies like the drek produced by Gibson. The link here provided dispells this myth.

The Burning of Washington is the name given to the razing of Washington, D.C., by British forces during the War of 1812. Strict discipline and the British commander's orders to burn only public buildings are credited with preserving most residences, but the facilities of the U.S. government were largely destroyed.

[killjoy]

This is nothing more than soil enhancement propagated by unhistorical movies like the drek produced by Gibson.

Um, yeah. Yer gonna have to translate that one to English sorry.

The link here provided dispells this myth.

Whatever. It's Wiki. Read some books on the subject, in fact read only ONE book on the subject and you'll see the entire episode has NOTHING to do with Canadians and further that Rape, Burn and Destroy was the mantra of British doctrine at this time.

Gee that's funny.......I suppose this Map made in 1730 is wrong....

No what's funny is that it is historically plain and evident that 5000 British soldiers burned down Washington and that "Canadians" had nothing to do with it and yet Canadians today love to brag as though they had.

"5000 British troops". "British Forces". Read it again over and over until it finally sinks in, k?

[America1]

Took him only 3 years to find Canada....his Yale BA came in handy

yeah, I guess he was just being lazy, there really wasn't much for a President to do after 9-11.

[M.Dancer]

Took him only 3 years to find Canada....his Yale BA came in handy

yeah, I guess he was just being lazy, there really wasn't much for a President to do after 9-11.

No, he may not be the most active of presidents, but lazy isn't the right word....in fact he's quite the globe trotter.....since sept 01 he been to:

In sequential order...

China, Japan, Korea, China, Mexico, Peru, El Salvador, Germany, Russia, France, Italy, Vatican, Canada (G8) Mexico, Czech Republic, Russia, Lithuania, Romania, Portugal, UK, Poland, Russia, France, Egypt, Jordan, Qatar, Senegal, South Africa, Botswana, Uganda, Nigeria, Japan, Philipines, Thailand, Singapore, Indonesia, Australia, UK, Iraq, Mexico, Italy, Vatican, France, Ireland, Turkey, Chile, Colombia, Canada.....

[America1]

Another reason why many Americans are starting to really dislike Canadians, add this one to the ever-growing list of insults.

Welp. I'm sure I'm not the first to say this, but you can stuff it.

We're currently taking the most casualties per capita in Afghanistan. We're probably the only ones left who haven't completely turned our backs on you.

You DARE be offended by a simple poll while our blood flows over Afghan soil?

Go see what kind of insulting things your "best friend" the UK has to say about you then come back here and whine about us.

The poll only mirrors what your own citizens say so why not just do yourself a favor, sit back down on your sitting-at-home-not-dodging-bullets fat yank behind and STFU?

Or at least get some bloody perspective.

One more reason we have to view yanks as the “Homer Simpson” of the global neighborhood.

Yes, I am (as well as many Americans) are offended that Canadians think we caused the sneak attack that killed ~ 3000 people (mainly civilians).

The rest of your post was a fucking joke and your attempt to talk tough doesn’t impress me… at all.

[M.Dancer]

This is nothing more than soil enhancement propagated by unhistorical movies like the drek produced by Gibson.

Um, yeah. Yer gonna have to translate that one to English sorry.

Nothing more than bullshit.

in fact read only ONE book on the subject and you'll see the entire episode has NOTHING to do with Canadians and further that Rape, Burn and Destroy was the mantra of British doctrine at this time

A title will suffice....but not historical romance....

No what's funny is that it is historically plain and evident that 5000 British soldiers burned down Washington and that "Canadians" had nothing to do with it and yet Canadians today love to brag as though they had.

I was commenting on this piece of fiction......

. "Canadians", (a loose term since there was no 'Canada' in 1812),

[M.Dancer]

The rest of your post was a fucking joke and your attempt to talk tough doesn’t impress me… at all.

Tell the truth, you are an extreme left wing troll who trys to fool people in believeing you are an ignorant yank.

[gc1765]

Took him only 3 years to find Canada....his Yale BA came in handy

yeah, I guess he was just being lazy, there really wasn't much for a President to do after 9-11.

Except read about goats Bush

[America1]

Took him only 3 years to find Canada....his Yale BA came in handy

yeah, I guess he was just being lazy, there really wasn't much for a President to do after 9-11.

Except read about goats Bush

that's what he was reading to children when the towers were hit, it has nothing to do with how busy our president was after 9-11. But, nice attempt at humor.

[Black Dog]

Yes, I am (as well as many Americans) are offended that Canadians think we caused the sneak attack that killed ~ 3000 people (mainly civilians).

This is sad. Even a child in Grade 4 science can understand cause and effect. One more time:

Saying "U.S. foreign policy was one of the root causes that led to 9-11" isn't blame (a term which implies some moral judgement). It's a statement of cause and effect.

If you asked the same Canadians who believe the above if that means the attacks were justified or that the U.S. had it coming, I've little doubt you'd get an overwhelmingly negative response.

Many Canadians may not agree with American goverment policy on many things. But very few Canadians wish harm on the people of the U.S.A. But you're going to seriously test people's sympathies by flying off the handle over a poll that you misinterpreted.

[gc1765]

Took him only 3 years to find Canada....his Yale BA came in handy

yeah, I guess he was just being lazy, there really wasn't much for a President to do after 9-11.

Except read about goats Bush

that's what he was reading to children when the towers were hit, it has nothing to do with how busy our president was after 9-11. But, nice attempt at humor.

Actually, it is what he was reading for 5 mintues after he found out that the second tower was hit and that "America was under attack." That's not even including the fact that he knew about the first plane hitting the tower even earlier than that.

I wonder what was going through his mind....

[killjoy]

The rest of your post was a fucking joke and your attempt to talk tough doesn’t impress me… at all.

Not at all: It's a statement of reality and more to the point, rationality. Closer to the truth you find it more convienent to dismiss rather than answer. Let's review:

I said-

The poll only mirrors what your own citizens say so why not just do yourself a favor

Yep:

51% of Democrats say that US "wrongdoing" might have motivated the 9/11 attacks.

http://www.blogsforbush.com/mt/archives/001745.html

More than a third (36 percent) of the American public believes it is likely that the Bush administration either perpetrated the 9/11 attacks or deliberately failed to stop them

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?he...43-c665cfd91e72

I said-

Go see what kind of insulting things your "best friend" the UK has to say about you then come back here and whine about us.

Are you going to try an contend that citizen for citizen the US is looked upon more favorably in the UK than Canada.? Yeah right. Guess you've never been there.

Doesn't matter. It's plain to see that your entire contribution here is simplistic Trolling and arrogance, especially in light of your habit of insinuating you speak for a large group of Americans. Apparently even the Administration disagrees with you.

Also your contention is what amounts to nothing more than 'tough-talk' since it assumes, arrogantly, that anyone cares what you think and you’re in absolutely no position of responsibility or power. What, exactly, is going to happen if we “insult America”? You going to kick our ass or something? Nothing that’s what. If you want boycott our lumber and kiss your 10% growth in forest good bye and add up to 25% construction costs, go ahead. We’ll sell to Japan. Go ahead: Turn of the power on the eastern seaboard. Go ahead and buy the 17% of your oil thirst from someone more ‘friendly’ (hahaha).

The tough talk is coming from the guy who figures they can intimidate an opinion we are free to have. Hate to brake it to you but just because you may be an American doesn't mean you're not still a nobody.

I mean it’s really ludicrous to contend what you do as though it was important as it gets eclipsed by the outright hate displayed by South America, the ME, the UK, Europe. Your contention is a joke and by proxy so are you. Take off the tinfoil hat.

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[killjoy]

Tell the truth, you are an extreme left wing troll who trys to fool people in believeing you are an ignorant yank.

Probably since the idea that this is a rational contention is simply impossible and at most a reflection of a minor fringe

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[margrace]

Tell the truth, you are an extreme left wing troll who trys to fool people in believeing you are an ignorant yank.

Probably since the idea that this is a rational contention is simply impossible and at most a reflection of a minor fringe

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One thing I have learned from hearing from Americans on this and other forums is that they have no sense of humour. Canadians laugh at themselves, look at Air Farce.

YOu must not critize anything Americans do in any shape or form or the immediately call one names and tell us that we hate Americans.

They take themselves far too seriously, I have an example if I saw a Canadian standing with his hand over his heart as our flag was raise I would have to laugh, come on, life isn;t that serious is it.

[August1991]

Why a Canadian would gain such pride from such a wanton attack on civilians and meaningless, utterly pointless, and ultimately tactically worthless destruction is something I will never understand, (unless of course it was because of simple ignorance).

I don't mean to go off topic here but the British decision to burn government buildings in Washington was in response to the burning and looting of then Toronto in the Battle of York.

Tit for tat, I suppose.

[BubberMiley]

I wonder what was going through his mind....

I wonder what Dick is going to do about this. Dick will tell me what to say. I'll just sit here till Dick calls.

[gerryhatrick]

Another reason why many Americans are starting to really dislike Canadians, add this one to the ever-growing list of insults.

New poll says most Canadians blame U.S. for 9/11 attacks

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/07092006/3/cana...lame-u-s-9.html

I have one thing to say to this: BOO F'N HOO.

[PocketRocket]

If I may assume the following is in defence of the American position in this particular thread.....

Why a Canadian would gain such pride from such a wanton attack on civilians........

.......then all I can say to reply is two words......Hiroshima, Nagasaki.

Truly something for the USA to be proud of.

[jbg]

.......then all I can say to reply is two words......Hiroshima, Nagasaki.

Truly something for the USA to be proud of.

Which saved hundreds of thousands of Japanese lives, and about 250,000 American lives.

[Riverwind]

Which saved hundreds of thousands of Japanese lives, and about 250,000 American lives.

After Hiroshima the Japanese offered a conditional surrender which the Americans refused. After Nagasaki the Japanese offered a surrender with the same conditions which the Americans then accepted. The condition in both cases was that the Emperor not be disposed. I don't think anyone can reasonably argue that any lives were saved by the bombing of Nagasaki.

[killjoy]

If I may assume the following is in defence of the American position in this particular thread.....

It wasn't.

[Nyx]

Yes, I read the article

Then how in the world did you miss the part where it said "The poll suggests that 77 per cent of Quebecers polled primarily blame American foreign policy for the Sept. 11 attacks. The results suggest 57 per cent in Ontario hold a similar view."

Now where does it mention British Columbians, Albertans, Saskatchewanites, Manatobians, Newfoundlanders, New Brunswickers, Nova Scotians, PE Islanders, Yukonites, Northwest Territorians, and Nunavutians? That's over half of the population of Canada. So what, are the rest of us not Canadians? So why did the poll fail to interview the rest of us? Then to say that 'Canadians' (making you believe they mean ALL of us) think that way. That hardly seems fair.

Also notice where it say they blame American foreign policy. It doesn't say they blame AMERICA or AMERICANS. No, it only mentions AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY. I don't know why that is so hard for some people to differentiate. Some Canadians say that your governments foreign policy is flawed (which is is) and possibly led to 9/11 and then you have to whine 'Oh the Canadians hate us! It's because they want to be us! Oh woo is us!'

Umm no. We like ourselves and our country quite well thank you very much. But the topic is foreign policy, not what Canadians personally think about America or Americans. But some Americans do seem to love getting them mixed up. And then they wonder why so many people around the world don't like their attitudes... Geeesh.

This was OBVIOUSLY a very bad headline. You have to learn to take the media with a grain of salt.