Outflow of temporary residents drives drop in Canada’s population for third consecutive quarter

[I am Groot]

3 hours ago, John Johnston said:

Indeed. 

Yes, it sums up the intellectual capacity of both of you.

[John Johnston]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And still no logical or rational reply possible.  It always seems to hurt your feelings badly when you know that they're right and you can't refuse it. It seems to be a common problem on the left

And thanks for proving the point  

What? That you are a whine ass? Lol. 

[CdnFox]

22 minutes ago, John Johnston said:

What? That you are a whine ass? Lol. 

A whine ass   LOL  is that the kind of insult that's all the rage at your kindergarten these days kid?      A 'whine ass' 😆😆😆😆

It's bad enough you can't make a reasonable or sane argument and feel forced to resort to insults to try to make yourself feel better... but really? that was the best you could do to make yourself "look good"? BWAAAHAHAHAHHA!!!!

[SpankyMcFarland]

Let’s have a little reality in this conversation. Unless we want one big beautiful shanty town across Southern Ontario, Canada needs foreign workers in its periphery to maintain basic services because the people born here are simply not prepared to do it. When I arrived in Atlantic Canada many moons ago all but one of the GPs in my town were Canadian-born. Now only one of the doctors under age 50 fits that description. Dear reader, I hate to break it to you but without immigrant workers in health care, food services etc. etc. we’ll be heading west, south, east to a large city, possibly in your neck of the woods. Do you really want that? Maybe you do because it’ll jack up property prices, causing even more alienation among our young people. If that’s your reason, please be honest about it. 

Edited Monday at 02:58 AM by SpankyMcFarland

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Let’s have a little reality in this conversation. Unless we want one big beautiful shanty town across Southern Ontario, Canada needs foreign workers in its periphery to maintain basic services because the people born here are simply not prepared to do it. When I arrived in Atlantic Canada many moons ago all but one of the GPs in my town were Canadian-born. Now only one of the doctors under age 50 fits that description. Dear reader, I hate to break it to you but without immigrant workers in health care, food services etc. etc. we’ll be heading west, south, east to a large city, possibly in your neck of the woods. Do you really want that? Maybe you do because it’ll jack up property prices, causing even more alienation among our young people. If that’s your reason, please be honest about it. 

Bullshit. This is the lie that the left is selling but to be blunt it's both racist and untrue.

I absolutely guarantee that if you get rid of the temporary form workers businesses will adapt and services will continue. They will find a way to make the job appealing to Canadians as was the case in the last 150 years prior.

I'm not saying this some immigration isn't good. But first off you make assumptions about facts not in evidence and second off you're conflating temporary foreign workers with targeted immigrants such as doctors who come here permanently to be Canadian

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Bullshit. This is the lie that the left is selling but to be blunt it's both racist and untrue.

I absolutely guarantee that if you get rid of the temporary form workers businesses will adapt and services will continue. They will find a way to make the job appealing to Canadians as was the case in the last 150 years prior.

I'm not saying this some immigration isn't good. But first off you make assumptions about facts not in evidence and second off you're conflating temporary foreign workers with targeted immigrants such as doctors who come here permanently to be Canadian

 

The crisis is real. Perhaps you should go out and talk to people affected before posting again. I have seen what the situation was before a large increase of temporary workers became available in our town. Our restaurants closed earlier and earlier and then shut down. Nobody was available to help us clean our homes. Talk to the entrepreneurs in these communities. They have made their opinions very clear online. The problems of Toronto and Vancouver are not the same as those of the entire country. 

The issue of professionals is related. I worked as a temporary foreign worker for years in Canada before being granted landed immigrant status. We have failed abjectly to recruit enough foreign doctors to man our services in this country, especially in smaller communities. The problem is not merely economic. For complex reasons, nowhere near enough Canadian physicians want to work in what they consider to be remote places anymore. Again, talk to the people affected. They will put you right. 

 

Edited Monday at 06:33 AM by SpankyMcFarland

[Nationalist]

On 6/21/2026 at 8:30 AM, Barquentine said:

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH...WAA, WAA WAA... Same old stupid sh!t . So pathetic!

Not pathetic at all. And if you weren't such a fembot, you'd realize that Canastan is a failing nation.

You want this country to thrive?

1. Full return to merit based immigration.

2. De-regulate the mining and farming industries.

3. Build the Gawd Damn pipelines.

Those 3 actions will turn the tide and allow the citizens to enjoy some prosperity for a change. With that, natural population growth will commence. 

Canadians...making Canada thrive. 

Edited Monday at 01:51 PM by Nationalist

[CdnFox]

10 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The crisis is real.

 

And manufactured.

I have spent time and lived in small communities and large communities my entire life. And business is my thing. The person who cleans my home is not a foreign worker, nor is foreign workers necessary to keep our restaurants and such open

Businesses have become addicted to it and have started to design their business models around the availability of such people, but if that went away they would design their businesses differently. There's absolutely no need for temporary foreign workers in most Industries, although they're certainly will be an adjustment. As we wean business off of their addiction

I know the issue of professions is not relevant. We should be granting access to professionals who bring necessary skills and value to our economy directly and if there's a problem with that then we should be fixing the immigration portion of it not the temporary foreign worker portion.

For a handful of Industries involving seasonal work which people can't really make a career of such as food picking there could very well be an argument, and in fact we do have special exemptions for that type of worker.

But by and large temporary foreign workers are not necessary and the program has been grossly abused and it needs to be severely scaled back.

And if that means your local Tim Hortons isn't open as late well you'll just have to cope

[Legato]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And if that means your local Tim Hortons isn't open as late well you'll just have to cope

Case in point.

A "local" Tim Hortons we visited about once every couple of weeks went all Asian (India Pakistan). Zero communications skills, bad attitude, cleanliness problems, we stopped going there.

Business dropped off to the point the franchisee sold. 

About 6 months ago new owner took over, staff are all locals and you don't have tp press one for English. All aspects of quality improved, place is now so busy the drive through goes around the block.

Cheep labour is not always cheep.

[I am Groot]

On 6/21/2026 at 10:55 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

Let’s have a little reality in this conversation. Unless we want one big beautiful shanty town across Southern Ontario, Canada needs foreign workers in its periphery to maintain basic services because the people born here are simply not prepared to do it.

Says who? How is that reality when it's based purely on your opinion?

On 6/21/2026 at 10:55 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

When I arrived in Atlantic Canada many moons ago all but one of the GPs in my town were Canadian-born. Now only one of the doctors under age 50 fits that description

Which is due entirely to bad government policy, which froze the number of medical school positions back in the nineties, and which continues to undervalue GPs. Tons of qualified people want desperately to be doctors but are turned away from the schools every year. Many go overseas to get their medical education, then must fight to try to get into a recognized residency position in Canada. And there are NEVER enough of them since the government sponsors them and refuses to sponsor enough. So they instead complete their educations abroad and stay abroad. The same goes for nurses. It is entirely within our ability to train enough doctors and nurses. Our govenrments choose not to do so. It's easier, but very short sighted for them to just import immigrants.

The solution is to fire every politician who refuses to make training doctors and nurses an priority. Which right now means booting out ALL politicians presently in power at the federal and provincial levels.

 

[I am Groot]

On 6/22/2026 at 2:25 AM, SpankyMcFarland said:

The crisis is real. Perhaps you should go out and talk to people affected before posting again. I have seen what the situation was before a large increase of temporary workers became available in our town. Our restaurants closed earlier and earlier and then shut down.

So what? That means there was not sufficient demand to keep them in business. If there had been, they'd have offered higher wages to attract workers and raised their prices a little.

On 6/22/2026 at 2:25 AM, SpankyMcFarland said:

Nobody was available to help us clean our homes.

There are always people available if you pay enough.

On 6/22/2026 at 2:25 AM, SpankyMcFarland said:

The issue of professionals is related. I worked as a temporary foreign worker for years in Canada before being granted landed immigrant status. We have failed abjectly to recruit enough foreign doctors to man our services in this country,

No, we don't need to recruit foreign healthcare workers. We simply need to train more.

[I am Groot]

20 hours ago, Legato said:

Case in point.

A "local" Tim Hortons we visited about once every couple of weeks went all Asian (India Pakistan). Zero communications skills, bad attitude, cleanliness problems, we stopped going there.

Business dropped off to the point the franchisee sold. 

About 6 months ago new owner took over, staff are all locals and you don't have tp press one for English. All aspects of quality improved, place is now so busy the drive through goes around the block.

Cheep labour is not always cheep.

The difference in quality between an A&W I regularly visit, and another one several miles away which I now never visit is that the staff of the other one are all clearly foreign workers. The quality suffers in all respects. Frankly, the last people I would employ as restaurant workers are South Asians.

[SpankyMcFarland]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

No, we don't need to recruit foreign healthcare workers. We simply need to train more.

How long would training more on its own take to have an appreciable effect on services even if we started spending billions more today? We do need to train more but that alone is not the whole solution. And training more turns out be devilishly difficult. We have obvious bottlenecks in some medical specialties in this country that have persisted for decades. Governments lack the will to get into the details and directly manage university numbers and spots in residency programs. 
 

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

How long would training more on its own take to have an appreciable effect on services even if we started spending billions more today? 
 

To be honest that would depend largely on immigration.

If immigration was brought to zero or the population declined it would actually have a very strong effect and almost immediate.

It immigration levels are very high it would be barely noticeable.

These things are always in relation to our population growth or decline. We are producing new nurses and doctors. If the population is static that our nurses and doctors per person increases.

But personnel is only part of the issue. We also need to spend the money on facilities. But that's another issue

[SpankyMcFarland]

I understand there are concerns about the level of immigration to Canada’s large cities. However, any reform of the system should take into account the very different circumstances that pertain in more isolated parts of the country. 

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I understand there are concerns about the level of immigration to Canada’s large cities. However, any reform of the system should take into account the very different circumstances that pertain in more isolated parts of the country. 

That would certainly be true if we could dictate where immigrants lived.

But unfortunately we can't. Somebody can see they're going to move to none of it but once they get there there's really nothing to stop them from deciding to like Ottawa or Vancouver better. You can tie there visa to a job so that if they left that job they had to leave the country but that's basically just turning them into slave labor. They be completely at the whims of the employer

Immigration is a bit of a blunt tool. And again there is a difference between immigration and temporary foreign worker programs and the like. I don't think anyone seriously proposes having no immigration and certainly targeting immigrants who have skills we really need or are short of has benefits. 

But i'm sorry, the local tim hortons has to figure out how to attract and maintain staff or use automation to require less staff to function. Or maybe we need to go back to more mom and pop type situations.

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

39 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

To be honest that would depend largely on immigration.

If immigration was brought to zero or the population declined it would actually have a very strong effect and almost immediate.

It immigration levels are very high it would be barely noticeable.

These things are always in relation to our population growth or decline. We are producing new nurses and doctors. If the population is static that our nurses and doctors per person increases.

But personnel is only part of the issue. We also need to spend the money on facilities. But that's another issue

Allocating more funds to med school places today means more doctors starting to appear a decade later, probably. No politician is going to be happy with that solution alone. The crisis is happening now. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

18 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That would certainly be true if we could dictate where immigrants lived.

But unfortunately we can't. Somebody can see they're going to move to none of it but once they get there there's really nothing to stop them from deciding to like Ottawa or Vancouver better. You can tie there visa to a job so that if they left that job they had to leave the country but that's basically just turning them into slave labor. They be completely at the whims of the employer

Immigration is a bit of a blunt tool. And again there is a difference between immigration and temporary foreign worker programs and the like. I don't think anyone seriously proposes having no immigration and certainly targeting immigrants who have skills we really need or are short of has benefits. 

But i'm sorry, the local tim hortons has to figure out how to attract and maintain staff or use automation to require less staff to function. Or maybe we need to go back to more mom and pop type situations.

 

Another area where there is a serious shortage of workers in remote regions - home care for the sick and elderly. You’re not going to AI your way out of that in a hurry. 

Edited Tuesday at 06:02 PM by SpankyMcFarland

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, I am Groot said:

...we don't need to recruit foreign healthcare workers. We simply need to train more.

We need to certify the thousands of doctors and health care workers from other countries that are already here.

Meanwhile they're driving for Uber Eats and flipping burgers which is apparently what's causing you so much angst.

Nobody can win for losing here it seems.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Allocating more funds to med school places today means more doctors starting to appear a decade later, probably. No politician is going to be happy with that solution alone. The crisis is happening now. 

No, we're still graduating doctors everyday. As I said it's all proportional to the growth in population. The number of doctors in Canada has steadily been increasing it's just that population increases faster.

In addition money today allows us to bring more nurse practitioners online in very short order and that reduces the demand for doctors as well. And more medical facilities and Labs being built allow the doctors to get more done in last time

At the end of the day it still boils down to how much immigration we have 

[I am Groot]

On 6/23/2026 at 1:05 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

How long would training more on its own take to have an appreciable effect on services even if we started spending billions more today? We do need to train more but that alone is not the whole solution. And training more turns out be devilishly difficult.

Not really. Just fund more classrooms. You can bring in retired doctors and nurses to teach. You can also fund more hospital residencies. That would help fast because lots of people who trained overseas can't get in and wind up having to do their residency in the US or elsewhere, then stay there because the CMA makes it far too complicated to come home. Same goes for nurses. I read a story about two sisters who wanted to be nurses like their mother. One got in and the other had to get her nursing training in the US. She wound up as a surgical nurse in the US, and was trying to wade through mountains of paperwork to come back home to work. We make it extremely difficult for people who are Canadians and who are trained in the US, Europe or Australia to come home and work.

Here's an idea. Toss out the requirement for a bachelor's degree. Some other countries don't have them, notably Switzerland. Instead, medical school is 6 years long instead of 4. It takes even less time in India, and we're bringing in lots of Indian doctors.

I would set up a temporary foreign worker program for healthcare workers until we can train enough. Set up furnished apartments for them. If they're European or American, all they have to do is come in, no checks except on their credentials from Europe or the US. They can start working now and stay as temporary workers until we don't need them. At that point we can either let them be actual immigrants or send them home.

 

On 6/23/2026 at 1:05 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

We have obvious bottlenecks in some medical specialties in this country that have persisted for decades. Governments lack the will to get into the details and directly manage university numbers and spots in residency programs. 

Bottlenecks are the result of ignoring capitalism. I.E., if you're short of something, you pay more for it and more people learn that skill. And yes, governments lack the will because we haven't made it an important election demand. The feds point at the provinces who point at the feds. Vote them all out until someone takes care of it. We need changes to the Canada Health Act at the federal level to let us shift to a European model, and we need more funding for doctors and nurses training.