The UNs scientist admits they are wrong about climate change

[CdnFox]

28 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Good points.

This whole argument over "right-wing" and "left-wing" is, IMO, silly. Its not a linear political topography...its circular.

Where they meet at the top, is the optimal position. Cooperation and compromise drive progress.

Where they meet at the bottom, is authoritarian rule. You can call it Communist or Fascist but...its all the same. Absolute power in the hands of few...or one. Sort o' like Ukraine or Iran.

Arguing over who's a "NAZI" is dumb. The NAZIs are dead. Only Neo-Nazis exist now and they happen to be mostly dead Ukrainians now.

It's true that it's more about authoritarianism than it is about specific policy, but it's also true that when you look at it authoritarianism is exclusively a left-wing concept. Let me walk you through that thinking

Left wing thinking tends to be characterized as the needs of the state or the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one. And personal freedom should be secondary to the needs of the state.  Spock was a commie  

Right wing thinking tends to be the opposite, believing the rights of the individual and personal freedom is the most important right of all.

Hence the right leads towards smaller government, fewer taxes, fewer laws and regulation, more freedoms

Where is the left wants excessive taxation, strong controls and laws governing what people can do and say, control over business and regulation that forces people to act in the best interest of what they perceive to be society

Both sides tend to blend a little of the other into their mix. There are very few people on the right who believe there should be no taxes. They exist but it's very rare

Conversely there's not that many people on the left that believe there should be no personal freedoms and everybody should surrender everything they have to the states. They exist but they're relatively rare

The thing is right wing philosophy can exist without needing the state to do anything. Generally speaking the right does not have the same need for the state to enforce it's beliefs on anyone else

The left on the other hand requires an absolutely needs a central authority population in order to force it to comply with the needs of the state as they perceive it

I don't need a gov't to say you can say whatever you want. That's just a default. I would need a law if I wanted to force you to call a man a woman. Then i need a law and police and so on. 

 

So left wing politics is always the politics of the authoritarian because they need that in order to make their policy work. The only thing the right wing needs is gov't to protect it's individuals from those who would violate their PERSONAL rights, not to inflict their ideology on others

 

So at the end of the day while politics is something of a circle or at least a horseshoe as soon as you get into authoritarian politics you're moving back to a state system at the left-wing model and the only thing that changes

[Nationalist]

11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It's true that it's more about authoritarianism than it is about specific policy, but it's also true that when you look at it authoritarianism is exclusively a left-wing concept. Let me walk you through that thinking

Left wing thinking tends to be characterized as the needs of the state or the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one. And personal freedom should be secondary to the needs of the state.  Spock was a commie  

Right wing thinking tends to be the opposite, believing the rights of the individual and personal freedom is the most important right of all.

Hence the right leads towards smaller government, fewer taxes, fewer laws and regulation, more freedoms

Where is the left wants excessive taxation, strong controls and laws governing what people can do and say, control over business and regulation that forces people to act in the best interest of what they perceive to be society

Both sides tend to blend a little of the other into their mix. There are very few people on the right who believe there should be no taxes. They exist but it's very rare

Conversely there's not that many people on the left that believe there should be no personal freedoms and everybody should surrender everything they have to the states. They exist but they're relatively rare

The thing is right wing philosophy can exist without needing the state to do anything. Generally speaking the right does not have the same need for the state to enforce it's beliefs on anyone else

The left on the other hand requires an absolutely needs a central authority population in order to force it to comply with the needs of the state as they perceive it

I don't need a gov't to say you can say whatever you want. That's just a default. I would need a law if I wanted to force you to call a man a woman. Then i need a law and police and so on. 

 

So left wing politics is always the politics of the authoritarian because they need that in order to make their policy work. The only thing the right wing needs is gov't to protect it's individuals from those who would violate their PERSONAL rights, not to inflict their ideology on others

 

So at the end of the day while politics is something of a circle or at least a horseshoe as soon as you get into authoritarian politics you're moving back to a state system at the left-wing model and the only thing that changes

Very good point.

I stand semi-corrected. 😇

Now that we've established this...

@Libbies...how do you explain this?

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Very good point.

I stand semi-corrected. 😇

Now that we've established this...

@Libbies...how do you explain this?

They can't, or at least they won't they'll just try and change the subject but it does explain why people like eyeball are so desperate to support the idea of climate emergency and climate laws without anything to substantiate their claims

For them it's about furthering the state's authoritarian power over the individual. And the more they do that no matter what the subject is then the easier it is to do that in order to support their agenda for authoritarian control of the people for the benefit of society

It is tend to think that any freedom is a good freedom. Leftists tend to think that any control over people is good control. And this is the Genesis of the climate emergency. It's a new and exciting way to impose the control of the state over individuals so of course they're excited about it and support it.

I absolutely guarantee you that if the solution to climate chan ge was "Let people do whatever they want and stay out of their way", Then the left would be demanding to know why we're even talking about this  

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

The Nazis were lefties, and that's just a fact.

Naw, you've just left them behind is all.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Naw, you've just left them behind is all.

????????

The hell does that even mean? We're pretty far away from the weekend for you to started drinking this early

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Bottleneck? What bottleneck?

The world needs natural resources. We have a lot of them.

Supply and demand.

What bottleneck might we be talkin' 'bout?

The narrowing of opportunities that occurs when demand outstrips supply.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

The narrowing of opportunities that occurs when demand outstrips supply.

The only reason demand is out stripping supplies because of poor policy decisions by people like justin Trudeau and Mark Carney, both of whom you support

And we're still losing out on opportunities as a result

That's why people are getting sick of the whole climate change argument. It's fallen way down the list of people's priorities, they just don't care anymore because they realize you're completely full of shit and have bilked them out of billions over the last few years

If there really was a climate crisis you would have taken it seriously instead of just using it as an excuse to further your power base And collect taxes. Obviously even you don't think it's a serious crisis

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

Oh, do you live in Tenderloin? I sure as f*ck don't - not even close. Of course, I live in a red state which is largely safe from the blue infection. 

Sure, there's no AGW happening there.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Still trying to change the subject huh  

I accept your surrender again

You sound like Donald Trump.

[eyeball]

12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The hell does that even mean?

You're on a trajectory.

13 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

We're pretty far away...

And getting farther all the time.

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You sound like Donald Trump.

If you start having sexual fantasies about me as well I'm going to sue!

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You're on a trajectory.

 

And you're on NyQuil. Apparently

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And getting farther all the time.

So you admit there's no climate crisis and you've just been blindly supporting the liberals same as always. Gotcha.

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So you admit there's no climate crisis

Nope.

[CdnFox]

42 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Nope.

 

No climate crisis, nope.  Well at least you're being honest for once in your life  

[eyeball]

19 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No climate crisis, nope.

Yup.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Yup.

Yup, no climate crisis. 

That's twice you've told the truth. You must really be drunk

[eyeball]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

No climate crisis, nope.

As I've said before the crisis is the denial - ignoring AGW or regarding it as a hoax.

Recall how stupidity was COVID's fave vector.

 

[CdnFox]

25 minutes ago, eyeball said:

As I've said before the crisis is the denial - ignoring AGW or regarding it as a hoax.

Yes I'm aware that you've lied before.

The truth is that the crisis is a lie. You've been given a trillion chances to produce any actual scientific documentation that supports your idea that it's a major crisis or that any particular plan would fix it

Instead you insisted that carbon tax can solve the problem and after 10 years it's done nothing.

25 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Recall how stupidity was COVID's fave vector.

 

You mean like where the government violated people's human rights as a court has now found?

Regardless people have smartened up about kind that change and it is super low on the list of things people care about. You and your kind killed the issue with your lies

[eyeball]

24 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Yes I'm aware that you've lied before.

Nope, it's even inspired scholarly investigations, they call it a crisis. You've always demanded evidence of a crisis, so here you go.

That Which They Will Not See: Climate Denial as a Vector of Epistemological Crisis in the Contemporary United States

 

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Nope,

 

Yep. We see you lie pretty much daily. You get caught in lies constantly. There are times I wonder if you even know how to tell the truth.

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it's even inspired scholarly investigations, they call it a crisis.

We've been through that too and basically you're lying again

 

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You've always demanded evidence of a crisis, so here you go.

That does not support what you said in the slightest.

It doesn't support the idea that climate change is a crisis and slightest. That's assumed at the outset without any facts

And it doesn't say that climate change denial is a crisis. It says that different people having different ideas creates an epistemological crisis, Which has nothing to do with climate change or denial. It just means that having no common frame of reference makes discussion difficult

In other words I keep asking you for science and you keep failing to produce any yet insisting it exists, that creates an epistemological crisis where my belief that the issue should be fact based and your belief that facts aren't important and should never be part of the discussion makes it impossible for us to reach a common understanding

So no. You've proven that what you've said is wrong not that what you said is correct. I guess you didn't actually read the article

[eyeball]

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That does not support what you said in the slightest.

Sure, it naturally supports just everything you say.

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Sure, it naturally supports just everything you say.

 

No it just means you lied. But I love that you now somehow want your life to be my fault  

[Nationalist]

18 hours ago, eyeball said:

The narrowing of opportunities that occurs when demand outstrips supply.

Well that's silly as Hell.