Marco Rubio Foresight vs The Entire Democrat Party With the Benefit of Hindsight

[WestCanMan]

11 years ago Marco Rubio spoke about the long-term ramifications of the JCPOA. It was going to provide Iran with the cover to:

1. build a nuclear program at scale, with a collection of facilities capable of making large quantities of weapons-grade Uranium very quickly
2. build a MASSIVE ballistic missile program, large enough to even provide ballistic missiles to small tribes of people with large terrorist populations, like the Houthis - they are the only large-town-sized group of people on earth to have ballistic missiles.
3. build a massive, sophisticated drone stockpile
4. build anti-aircraft radar systems, missile batteries, etc, to keep American forces away
5. create a large, purpose-built, fast-attack craft navy to keep America's navy out of the gulf 
6. accumulate a fleet frigates with anti-air, submarine, and surface to surface capabilities
7. supply Hamas and Hezbollah with massive stockpiles of rockets to fire at Israel

What Marco Rubio understood 11 years ago, and committed to the public record in that now-famous speech, which the Dems still don't understand to this day, was the fact that the JCPOA provided cover for Iran to accumulate a conventional military, and accompanying well-stocked terrorist armies, with enough power to prevent Iran from being bullied out of building their nuclear weapons program at some point in the near future.

Sure, this year, the US and Israel managed to pull off both the greatest and the most historically significant military victory in the history of planet earth to this point, but it's hard to say just how close Iran came to victory this year...

The point could be made that, if Hezbollah fired their 150,000 rockets at the same time that Hamas was firing their 50,000 rockets, they could have overwhelmed Israel's Iron Dome and maybe this would have been America alone vs Iran. 

Or maybe Iran was a month or so away from installing more advanced anti-air defence systems from Russia or China which would have secured victory for Iran. 

Or it's possible that if America just had a bad day with the availability of E3-Sentry (AWAC) planes or other electronic warfare planes, maybe they would have lost an aircraft carrier and support for the war would have zeroed. 

Hell, if you listen to CNN today, Iran is still winning this war right now. 

But this much is certain: if Trump didn't do this, and the Dems gained the WH in 2028, then Iran definitely would have gotten to the point of having ICBM's and nuclear weapons. Building bomb shelters in America would have become normal again in this decade. 

 

Bottom line:

Marco Rubio's ability to forecast the future that would be created by America relying on the JCPOA, from all the way back in 2015, still surpasses the average Democrat's ability to understand the present, even with the benefit of both hindsight and current military intelligence.

 

[robosmith]

Limited Uranium enrichment for 15 years with strong inspection regimen to prevent breakout surprise.

And Trump STILL doesn't have an agreement to stop enrichment.

Quote

The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), agreed upon in 2015, placed strict, verified limitations on Iran’s nuclear program to ensure it remained peaceful, primarily by restricting uranium enrichment to a level well below what is required for a nuclear weapon. 

Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation +1

Key elements of the JCPOA regarding enrichment and inspection included:

• Enrichment Cap: Iran was capped at enriching uranium to 3.67% U-235, which is suitable for civilian nuclear power, for a period of 15 years. This was well below the 20% level Iran was previously reaching and far below the 90% required for weapons-grade material.
• Stockpile Limits: Iran agreed to limit its stockpile of enriched uranium to 300 kg of low-enriched uranium hexafluoride (UF6) until 2031.
• Centrifuge Restrictions: Iran reduced its installed centrifuges from approximately 20,000 to 5,060 first-generation IR-1 machines at Natanz for 10 years.
• Strong Inspection Regime: The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) was given unprecedented access, including daily inspections of enrichment sites and monitoring of the entire nuclear supply chain. This included the implementation of the Additional Protocol, allowing for proactive monitoring to detect potential covert nuclear activities. 
  Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation +6

Current Status:
Following the U.S. withdrawal from the deal in 2018, Iran began increasing its enrichment, surpassing the 3.67% limit to 20% and eventually to 60% purity, while also restricting IAEA access to its facilities. As of 2026, Iran has continued to expand its nuclear program, with much of the previously established verification regime compromised

 

[gatomontes99]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

11 years ago Marco Rubio spoke about the long-term ramifications of the JCPOA. It was going to provide Iran with the cover to:

1. build a nuclear program at scale, with a collection of facilities capable of making large quantities of weapons-grade Uranium very quickly
2. build a MASSIVE ballistic missile program, large enough to even provide ballistic missiles to small tribes of people with large terrorist populations, like the Houthis - they are the only large-town-sized group of people on earth to have ballistic missiles.
3. build a massive, sophisticated drone stockpile
4. build anti-aircraft radar systems, missile batteries, etc, to keep American forces away
5. create a large, purpose-built, fast-attack craft navy to keep America's navy out of the gulf 
6. accumulate a fleet frigates with anti-air, submarine, and surface to surface capabilities
7. supply Hamas and Hezbollah with massive stockpiles of rockets to fire at Israel

What Marco Rubio understood 11 years ago, and committed to the public record in that now-famous speech, which the Dems still don't understand to this day, was the fact that the JCPOA provided cover for Iran to accumulate a conventional military, and accompanying well-stocked terrorist armies, with enough power to prevent Iran from being bullied out of building their nuclear weapons program at some point in the near future.

Sure, this year, the US and Israel managed to pull off both the greatest and the most historically significant military victory in the history of planet earth to this point, but it's hard to say just how close Iran came to victory this year...

The point could be made that, if Hezbollah fired their 150,000 rockets at the same time that Hamas was firing their 50,000 rockets, they could have overwhelmed Israel's Iron Dome and maybe this would have been America alone vs Iran. 

Or maybe Iran was a month or so away from installing more advanced anti-air defence systems from Russia or China which would have secured victory for Iran. 

Or it's possible that if America just had a bad day with the availability of E3-Sentry (AWAC) planes or other electronic warfare planes, maybe they would have lost an aircraft carrier and support for the war would have zeroed. 

Hell, if you listen to CNN today, Iran is still winning this war right now. 

But this much is certain: if Trump didn't do this, and the Dems gained the WH in 2028, then Iran definitely would have gotten to the point of having ICBM's and nuclear weapons. Building bomb shelters in America would have become normal again in this decade. 

 

Bottom line:

Marco Rubio's ability to forecast the future that would be created by America relying on the JCPOA, from all the way back in 2015, still surpasses the average Democrat's ability to understand the present, even with the benefit of both hindsight and current military intelligence.

 

Outstanding post. 

Several people have said "Republicans are not the solution to all your problems but Democrats are the cause of most problems." This holds true to that statement.

The Democrats voted for a bad agreement that led to the short war with Iran. Worse, their bad agreement put us dangerously on the edge of a nuclear holocaust.

The war with Iran will go down, in history, as an short, incredibly consequential "excursion". 

[gatomontes99]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

Limited Uranium enrichment for 15 years with strong inspection regimen to prevent breakout surprise.

And Trump STILL doesn't have an agreement to stop enrichment.

 

Words on paper. They meant nothing to Iran. They just needed enough space to build their bomb. That is why they demanded to be able to dictate where inspectors could inspect and banned specific military bases from inspection. 

Words on paper meant nothing because we could not catch them if we played by the rules. It was probably the worst agreement in the history of the United States. That is not hyperbole. It took us down the road to nuclear bombs in every major European capitol and maybe even the US. This war was the real world equivalent to cutting the red wire with one second on the timer. 

 

[John Stone]

 

relax........

President Donald Trump has said that he believes the war with Iran is “very close to over” after suggesting that negotiations with Iran will resume this week. 

[Nationalist]

This "excursion" has become a bad joke. Isreal has nukes...Iran wants nukes. If both had them, which would be worse?

The US has to extricate from this "excursion" and if Isreal wants to fight with Iran...let 'em.

[WestCanMan]

20 hours ago, robosmith said:

And Trump STILL doesn't have an agreement to stop enrichment.

You still don't understand the bigger picture...

A ten year agreement is nothing. Iran has been promising genocide for 47 years, and they weren't showing any signs of becoming any less bigoted... What's another 10 years? 

What was the plan for 20 years? 30 years? The next 47 years?

Iran's plan was to bide their time under the JCPOA, and:

• grow their ballistic missile program, their hypersonic missile arsenal, drone arsenal, and their terrorist-controlled rocket arsenals in Lebanon and Gaza, into an overwhelming bomb-storm that Israel would never be able to cope with. They were even giving ballistic missiles to terrorists organizations like the Houthis... The Houthi tribe is only the size of a really small city and yet they have ballistic missiles
• develop ICBM's (basically 3-stage ballistic missiles) and they're already building IRBM's (2-stage BM's)
• grow their fleet of fast-attack ships and drones into a force capable of denying the US navy access to the strait
• develop an anti-air defence system capable of keeping out American planes

FYI they didn't need 100% success in all those areas for their plan to work. Basically, if even one area worked, the plan would be a success. They'd be free to make nukes with impunity.

And if you think their plan didn't almost work, consider the fact that Democrats are already saying Iran won this war. IE, half of the US gov't is declaring victory for Iran. That means that the weapons that Iran started creating during the JCPOA years almost got them across the finish line. 

If Epic Fury was as much of a clusterfork as the Benghazi embassy or the Afghan withdrawal, the world would be looking at a nuclear-armed Iran, with ICBM's, by 2027 or 2028.

Edited April 20 by WestCanMan

[User]

6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

This "excursion" has become a bad joke. Isreal has nukes...Iran wants nukes. If both had them, which would be worse?

The US has to extricate from this "excursion" and if Isreal wants to fight with Iran...let 'em.

The joke is you equating Israel to Iran. 
 

 

[User]

22 hours ago, robosmith said:

Limited Uranium enrichment for 15 years with strong inspection regimen to prevent breakout surprise.

And Trump STILL doesn't have an agreement to stop enrichment.

 

Trump has obtained far more than an agreement.

He has bombed every surface structure dedicated to the Nuclear program and bombed every known or suspected entrance into the buried ones.

He didn’t just delay Iran, he obliterated their program.

 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, User said:

The joke is you equating Israel to Iran. 
 

 

This "war" is a joke.

[gatomontes99]

32 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

This "war" is a joke.

I don't understand why you equivicate Iran and Israel. 

[WestCanMan]

50 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

This "war" is a joke.

Did you want Iran to continue on the path that they were on?

[User]

21 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

I don't understand why you equivicate Iran and Israel. 

I do. He espouses the same conspiratorial / other garbage you find in the Tucker Carlson/Candice Owen’s circles and they both push this hate Israel stuff like this.

 

[Moonbox]

9 hours ago, John Stone said:

 

relax........

President Donald Trump has said that he believes the war with Iran is “very close to over” after suggesting that negotiations with Iran will resume this week. 

Well it's pretty much over already...🥴

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

I don't understand why you equivicate Iran and Israel. 

I dont. I just dont think what goes on in Iran or Isreal, are worth my time...or money.

[gatomontes99]

50 minutes ago, User said:

I do. He espouses the same conspiratorial / other garbage you find in the Tucker Carlson/Candice Owen’s circles and they both push this hate Israel stuff like this.

 

Yes. But I dont understand them either. 

Just now, Nationalist said:

I dont. I just dont think what goes on in Iran or Isreal, are worth my time...or money.

Israel won't bomb us if the opportunity arises. 

Iran will. 

[Nationalist]

51 minutes ago, User said:

I do. He espouses the same conspiratorial / other garbage you find in the Tucker Carlson/Candice Owen’s circles and they both push this hate Israel stuff like this.

 

The creation of Isreal was the worst decision the UN ever made. No other decision has created as much violence.

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, gatomontes99 said:

Israel won't bomb us if the opportunity arises. 

Iran will. 

Sorry. I dont trust either. Want nothing to do with either as well.

[User]

Just now, Nationalist said:

Sorry. I dont trust either. Want nothing to do with either as well.

You keep speaking in these absurdly vague general terms.

You can not trust either of them, but to presume that is the same level of trust is just silly.

Israel is not the one who funds terrorist proxies around Iran to constantly wage war against them while its leaders also wish for the eradication and destruction of them all. 

 

4 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

The creation of Isreal was the worst decision the UN ever made. No other decision has created as much violence.

The woman walking down the street in a skirt caused her own rape! 
 

Israel didn’t create the violence, the Arab world’s reaction and continued reaction did. 
 

Just like with Russia, your mindset is that everyone else is to blame other than the people actually choosing to do what they do. 

[User]

8 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Yes. But I dont understand them either. 

They know folks like Nationalist will eat up their crap and they make money off the clicks. 

[Nationalist]

18 minutes ago, User said:

You keep speaking in these absurdly vague general terms.

You can not trust either of them, but to presume that is the same level of trust is just silly.

Israel is not the one who funds terrorist proxies around Iran to constantly wage war against them while its leaders also wish for the eradication and destruction of them all. 

Not vague at all. The Muslims hate the Jews...and the UN stuck them right in the middle of 'em.

Errr...I really has done its fair share of wholesale murder as well. Did you forget that part?

As for me...I dont need either and nor does my nation. Nor does yours for that matter.

22 minutes ago, User said:

The woman walking down the street in a skirt caused her own rape! 
 

Israel didn’t create the violence, the Arab world’s reaction and continued reaction did. 
 

Just like with Russia, your mindset is that everyone else is to blame other than the people actually choosing to do what they do. 

No. My mindset just prefers to make judgements based on ALL the facts. Not just the convenient ones.

[WestCanMan]

29 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I dont. I just dont think what goes on in Iran or Isreal, are worth my time...or money.

Every time you get on a plane, Iran costs you time and money. And it's not optional. You pay for airport security, and you go through the lineup, and the alternative is an explosion at 35,000 feet. 

The world would be an entirely different place without the terrorists funded by the Iranian regime to look out for. 

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

Not vague at all. The Muslims hate the Jews...and the UN stuck them right in the middle of 'em.

There were still Jews there whose ancestors go back to 2000 BC. 

Most of the muslim world has gotten used to the idea of Israel existing in the ME. It's only a few countries now who can't see past their violent bigotry right now. 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Every time you get on a plane, Iran costs you time and money. And it's not optional. You pay for airport security, and you go through the lineup, and the alternative is an explosion at 35,000 feet. 

The world would be an entirely different place without the terrorists funded by the Iranian regime to look out for. 

I thought all the security was because of a Saudi. You know...9/11?

Im not afraid of Iranians. Muslims in general concern me. Shall we blow 'em all up?

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

There were still Jews there whose ancestors go back to 2000 BC. 

Most of the muslim world has gotten used to the idea of Israel existing in the ME. It's only a few countries now who can't see past their violent bigotry right now. 

Huh...not the Muslims I've spoken with.