TreeBeard Posted April 18 Report Posted April 18 Do Conservative voters actually think this is a good use of taxes? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/doug-ford-private-jet-9.7167824 “Instead of taking commercial flights like many premiers in this country do, Ford would rather cosplay the life of the rich and famous on taxpayers’ dime,” said Noah Jarvis, CTF Ontario director. “Ordinary taxpayers are struggling to make ends meet and Ford is making them pay for a personal jet so that he doesn’t have to wait in line at the airport like everyone else." The provincial government says the plane will not be flown for personal use. Questions about Billy Bishop airport connection NoJetsTO, a citizen group that opposes the province's plans to take over Billy Bishop airport from the city’s jurisdiction to allow jets to land at the island airport, alleged in a statement the province's move coinciding with the Challenger 650's purchase isn't "a coincidence." “For eight years Premier Ford has not said a single word about the island airport, and suddenly he’s hell bent on expand the airport to allow him to fly Gravy Plane jet from there," Chair Norm Di Pasquale said in the statement. Quote
herbie Posted April 18 Report Posted April 18 Before you condemn it, look at the books. Is it cheaper than paying for a Charter on kept on standby? The last big company I worked for had TWO, and a couple of float planes . That was less expensive. So did the Vancouver Canucks at one time. 1 Quote
John Johnston Posted April 18 Report Posted April 18 8 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Do Conservative voters actually think this is a good use of taxes? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/doug-ford-private-jet-9.7167824 “Instead of taking commercial flights like many premiers in this country do, Ford would rather cosplay the life of the rich and famous on taxpayers’ dime,” said Noah Jarvis, CTF Ontario director. “Ordinary taxpayers are struggling to make ends meet and Ford is making them pay for a personal jet so that he doesn’t have to wait in line at the airport like everyone else." The provincial government says the plane will not be flown for personal use. Questions about Billy Bishop airport connection NoJetsTO, a citizen group that opposes the province's plans to take over Billy Bishop airport from the city’s jurisdiction to allow jets to land at the island airport, alleged in a statement the province's move coinciding with the Challenger 650's purchase isn't "a coincidence." “For eight years Premier Ford has not said a single word about the island airport, and suddenly he’s hell bent on expand the airport to allow him to fly Gravy Plane jet from there," Chair Norm Di Pasquale said in the statement. Come on you guys, everyone know the Conservatives are all about fiscal responsibility and law and order and all that. Give him a break, it was a used plane. Besides, there won't be any Jet fuel for a while anyway, how much trouble can he get in Disney World? Just now, John Johnston said: Come on you guys, everyone know the Conservatives are all about fiscal responsibility and law and order and all that. Give him a break, it was a used plane. Besides, there won't be any Jet fuel for a while anyway, how much trouble can he get in Disney World? Now he can get to moms Cabin in Muskoka in fourteen minutes instead of the usual hour and a half. Leaves more time for Doug to be hard at work. Good deal. Quote
August1991 Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 On 4/17/2026 at 9:57 PM, TreeBeard said: Do Conservative voters actually think this is a good use of taxes? .... Quebec voters do. They subsidize these CO2 emitting jets built - in Quebec - for rich people. ===== Hydro-Quebec CEO (even the Quebec PM) has several but they are classified differrently. Ford? I reckon that this is bad PR. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 On 4/18/2026 at 6:28 AM, John Johnston said: Come on you guys, everyone know the Conservatives are all about fiscal responsibility and law and order and all that. Give him a break, it was a used plane. Besides, there won't be any Jet fuel for a while anyway, how much trouble can he get in Disney World? Now he can get to moms Cabin in Muskoka in fourteen minutes instead of the usual hour and a half. Leaves more time for Doug to be hard at work. Good deal. I wonder what Ontario MP's (of all parties) annual costs are for transportation around the province? Tickets, Plane rentals Aircraft charters 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Legato Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 3 hours ago, ExFlyer said: I wonder what Ontario MP's (of all parties) annual costs are for transportation around the province? Tickets, Plane rentals Aircraft charters This is the 2023/4 list in pdf format. https://www.ola.org/sites/default/files/common/pdf/2023–2024-individual-members-expenditures.pdf 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 18 minutes ago, Legato said: This is the 2023/4 list in pdf format. https://www.ola.org/sites/default/files/common/pdf/2023–2024-individual-members-expenditures.pdf Nice thanks. I was more wondering about business travel. When the Premier or Ministers or MP's (of all parties) are flying around the Province on business. They certainly do spend a lot though 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Legato Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 42 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Nice thanks. I was more wondering about business travel. When the Premier or Ministers or MP's (of all parties) are flying around the Province on business. They certainly do spend a lot though Couldn't find that business only model without more specifics of dates, where to, who with etc. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 24 minutes ago, Legato said: Couldn't find that business only model without more specifics of dates, where to, who with etc. Thanks for the effort. The thought just went along with Ford buying a jet and then selling it. Would it have been cheaper to use the jet for MP's etc and using it to travel around Ontario or is it cheaper to keep buying tickets and renting or charting aircraft. 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Legato Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 1 minute ago, ExFlyer said: Thanks for the effort. The thought just went along with Ford buying a jet and then selling it. Would it have been cheaper to use the jet for MP's etc and using it to travel around Ontario or is it cheaper to keep buying tickets and renting or charting aircraft. Hard to say, with fuel, hangar and maintenance costs, airport fee's etc. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 On 4/17/2026 at 11:01 PM, herbie said: Before you condemn it, look at the books. Is it cheaper than paying for a Charter on kept on standby? The last big company I worked for had TWO, and a couple of float planes . That was less expensive. So did the Vancouver Canucks at one time. That is exactly it. How much is being spent on charter aircraft to get into remote places? If there is even scheduled routes there. How much for helicopters? How many ministers and public servants are spending on travelling this province? How much does it cost to get officials to a remote area in the next few days vice having to rent a jet to use? Renting an 8 passenger aircraft is about $10,000 per hour plus crew costs and associated airport fees (plus crew accommodation and meals expenses etc). 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
herbie Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 Yes, I stick with that. If it costs less in the long run it is VERY conservative. If you walk away because people simply think spending significant amounts that they hear about is bad, that is stupidity. Mr Ford should've presented a business case for it and obviously couldn't, so it was sold back. 2 Quote
CdnFox Posted May 3 Report Posted May 3 First off carney has not one but two "private" jets. And second off, doug ford is not a conservative In fact he's carney's biggest fanboy Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
August1991 Posted May 7 Report Posted May 7 On 5/3/2026 at 3:27 AM, CdnFox said: First off carney has not one but two "private" jets. And second off, doug ford is not a conservative In fact he's carney's biggest fanboy Agreed. Quote
ExFlyer Posted May 11 Report Posted May 11 On 5/3/2026 at 3:27 AM, CdnFox said: First off carney has not one but two "private" jets. And second off, doug ford is not a conservative In fact he's carney's biggest fanboy Carney has no "private" jets. The Canadian Air Force 412 Sqn has a fleet of Challenger jets for parliamentarians, GG and other dignitaries to use. 437 Transport Squadron, operates five Airbus A310-300s, all designated as CC-150 Polaris; four are configured as normal airliners with cargo transport and aerial refuelling capability, while one, No. 001, is operated in a VIP configuration. I know how difficult it is for you to get the facts LOL 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Legato Posted May 11 Report Posted May 11 6 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Carney has no "private" jets. The Canadian Air Force 412 Sqn has a fleet of Challenger jets for parliamentarians, GG and other dignitaries to use. 437 Transport Squadron, operates five Airbus A310-300s, all designated as CC-150 Polaris; four are configured as normal airliners with cargo transport and aerial refuelling capability, while one, No. 001, is operated in a VIP configuration. I know how difficult it is for you to get the facts LOL Both you and me helped to pay for. Do we get a ride now and again....no.... then private. We get Uber who turn up in a toy ota, not even a real ota. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted May 11 Report Posted May 11 47 minutes ago, Legato said: Both you and me helped to pay for. Do we get a ride now and again....no.... then private. We get Uber who turn up in a toy ota, not even a real ota. Just like we paid for all CF18's, all CH148 Cormorants, all C130 Hercules, all navy ships, all army tanks.... Do you get a ride in the fighters? The SAR helicopters, The Hercs? The ships? The tanks? Anything the military has? Are they all "private" too? I did not think you could make any stupider comments but then...you did LOL 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Legato Posted May 11 Report Posted May 11 3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Just like we paid for all CF18's, all CH148 Cormorants, all C130 Hercules, all navy ships, all army tanks.... Do you get a ride in the fighters? The SAR helicopters, The Hercs? The ships? The tanks? Anything the military has? Are they all "private" too? I did not think you could make any stupider comments but then...you did LOL I agree they're not public so private plus the Carney gets haute cuisine in his. My Uber doesn't even offer hot dogs. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted May 11 Report Posted May 11 5 minutes ago, Legato said: I agree they're not public so private plus the Carney gets haute cuisine in his. My Uber doesn't even offer hot dogs. Clearly, once again, you pull shit out of your a$$ "The VIP fleet, often managed by 412 Transport Squadron, is occasionally repurposed for medevac or emergency civilian transport, with 3 CC-144 Challengers configurable" "Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) CC-130 Hercules aircraft frequently fly Canadian citizens and foreign nationals, primarily during humanitarian evacuations, disaster relief, and search and rescue operations" "Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) CC-150 Polaris fleet has flown individuals other than military personnel, primarily in roles related to government, diplomatic, or humanitarian service" I am surprised Uber even picks you up LOL 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Legato Posted May 11 Report Posted May 11 1 minute ago, ExFlyer said: Clearly, once again, you pull shit out of your a$$ "The VIP fleet, often managed by 412 Transport Squadron, is occasionally repurposed for medevac or emergency civilian transport, with 3 CC-144 Challengers configurable" "Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) CC-130 Hercules aircraft frequently fly Canadian citizens and foreign nationals, primarily during humanitarian evacuations, disaster relief, and search and rescue operations" "Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) CC-150 Polaris fleet has flown individuals other than military personnel, primarily in roles related to government, diplomatic, or humanitarian service" I am surprised Uber even picks you up LOL So why doesn't the Carney use Uber, oh forgot, he has a couple of private jets he uses when travelling abroad to work hard at signing MOA's. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted May 11 Report Posted May 11 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: Carney has no "private" jets. They are reserved for his use so yeah he does. I mean it's not like ford was going to own this Yet either yet you insisted it was a private jet from the beginning and treebeard named it as such and you didn't complain then. And other members of the parliament would use that one too. Exactly the same for Carney. Aswww,,,, did those pesky facts come back to bite you in the ass So, precisely the same as careny and you didn't whine about that, Careful kid your hypocrisy is showing again 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted May 11 Report Posted May 11 16 minutes ago, CdnFox said: They are reserved for his use so yeah he does. I mean it's not like ford was going to own this Yet either yet you insisted it was a private jet from the beginning and treebeard named it as such and you didn't complain then. And other members of the parliament would use that one too. Exactly the same for Carney. Aswww,,,, did those pesky facts come back to bite you in the ass So, precisely the same as careny and you didn't whine about that, Careful kid your hypocrisy is showing again The Canadian military VIP aircraft are used by parliamentarians. I never insisted it was a private jet...prove your lie LOL Yeah, don't you hate it when those "pesky facts come back to bite you in the ass" as they always do LOL Please re-read your own incomprehensible post... LOSER 30 minutes ago, Legato said: So why doesn't the Carney use Uber, oh forgot, he has a couple of private jets he uses when travelling abroad to work hard at signing MOA's. I cannot believe you even ask that. LOL What world leader does not use a military jet to travel the world or country? What world leader uses Uber??? Phk, what a LOSER you are LOL. LOL LOL 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Legato Posted May 11 Report Posted May 11 59 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: The Canadian military VIP aircraft are used by parliamentarians. I never insisted it was a private jet...prove your lie LOL Yeah, don't you hate it when those "pesky facts come back to bite you in the ass" as they always do LOL Please re-read your own incomprehensible post... LOSER I cannot believe you even ask that. LOL What world leader does not use a military jet to travel the world or country? What world leader uses Uber??? Phk, what a LOSER you are LOL. LOL LOL Yep....so the Carney can have some privacy when off to some odd ball place to sign yet another private MOA or MOU. 1 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted May 11 Report Posted May 11 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: The Canadian military VIP aircraft are used by parliamentarians. I never insisted it was a private jet...prove your lie LOL I never insisted that you insisted. Prove your lie But as shown it's a private jet for Carney in exactly the same way it is for ford. Members of the legislator would use it as well. But you said something stupid and now you feel bad that she said something stupid and you're crying as usual Quote Yeah, don't you hate it when those "pesky facts come back to bite you in the ass" as they always do LOL Talking to your mirror again? Practice I'm right and once again you look like a twat. Boy sure didn't see that coming 46 minutes ago, Legato said: Yep....so the Carney can have some privacy when off to some odd ball place to sign yet another private MOA or MOU. Or more often MIA. The guy spends far more time outside of Canada than he does working on issues at home. 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted May 11 Report Posted May 11 1 minute ago, CdnFox said: I never insisted that you insisted. Prove your lie But as shown it's a private jet for Carney in exactly the same way it is for ford. Members of the legislator would use it as well. But you said something stupid and now you feel bad that she said something stupid and you're crying as usual Talking to your mirror again? Practice I'm right and once again you look like a twat. Boy sure didn't see that coming Man!!! Your 1diot cup really runnteth over this time LOSER There is hope for you that your stupidity actually has an expire by date LOL 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
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