John Stone Posted April 21 Report Posted April 21 In a quickly evolving emergency the gov. likely made the prudent move, warts and all – supposedly whole communities were aflame and the there wasn’t the infrastructure to combat the raging and dispersed fires. The gov likely considered it a crisis. Reports of arson added to the emergency. With the benefit of hindsight legislation less vague (woods??) and not contravening Charter Rights will be forthcoming. Arguably laws like this are required and going forward will be more so. Kanada has a constitution, do tell?? I thought the final arbiter wasn’t the courts but the political hacks (notwithstanding clause). Lol Quote
Barquentine Posted April 21 Report Posted April 21 (edited) 21 hours ago, Venandi said: Do fire and building code requirements prevent people from building houses? Yes, if they try not to follow them. But someone could say "It's my house. I'll build it any way I want!" There have been fire codes on buildings since The Great Fire of London in 1666. 21 hours ago, Venandi said: Is there a Canadian right to start bonfires that's on par with mobility rights? Legal Information Society of Nova Scotia https://www.legalinfo.org › alias=257-land-titles These rights include any lawful use such as: building on the land • developing the land ... These rights are subject to restrictions imposed by laws such as municipal land-use bylaws. So deveoping land would include cutting and clearing the biomass, which is often doen by burning, subject to bylaws 21 hours ago, Venandi said: More is coming and it will eventually impinge on something that affects you.. It did affect me, but I'm reasonable enough to accept it for a greater good. Not gonna cry 'cause I can't go in the woods for a coupe lof weeks during extreme drought. Edited April 21 by Barquentine grammar Quote
Barquentine Posted April 21 Report Posted April 21 22 hours ago, CDN1 said: This is coming from the same people who opened the borders without proper vetting, enabled reckless third world demographic change while pushing soft on crime legislation which allows violent repeat offenders to be released over and over. A Conservative government? Quote
Venandi Posted April 21 Report Posted April 21 (edited) 3 hours ago, Barquentine said: Yes, if they try not to follow them. A ridiculous comparison... codes set a minimum standard of performance by regulation, not unlike those surrounding the issuance and proficiency requirements of a professional pilot licence; or a whole bunch of other regulated undertakings. Building a house that isn't to code isn't a right. 3 hours ago, Barquentine said: These rights are subject to restrictions imposed by laws such as municipal land-use bylaws. Starting a bonfire isn't a right, neither is having a pilot license. 3 hours ago, Barquentine said: Not gonna cry 'cause I can't go in the woods for a coupe lof weeks during extreme drought. The parameters of this law were weak, like it or not that's one of the reasons it was struck down by the court. I happen to live in a wilderness area on a long dirt road that adjoins a forestry block. Taking a short cut to the mailbox probably qualified as a violation... even walking the horrid dirt road (partially shared with the company) probably qualified. 3 hours ago, Barquentine said: It did affect me, I'm not going to compare resumes with you but I was in the centre of it. And, as one of only 1500 trappers in the province, I'm beginning to think that keeping people like you out of the bush was a good thing... you're close to convincing me now; keep talking, maybe some peoples mobility rights do need to be curbed to keep sensible people safe. Edited April 21 by Venandi 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted April 21 Author Report Posted April 21 11 hours ago, eyeball said: Yup. Changed your mind I see Does that mean you've revised your position on the trucker's Convoy and the use of the emergencies act as well? If so please let me know, I need to send Satan some new mittens Quote It looks like they get more angry and patriotic than anything. OTOH the whole thing seems to be a source of shits and giggles that's oddly peculiar to you. That doesn't even make sense. Sure, lying about a fake crisis does tend to make people angry. And that is the point. The left this on anger and fear. That's the whole point of creating a crisis and exploiting it to take people's freedoms and rights. So when trump exploits the same concept of course it's the same result. And it has nothing to do with my opinion about anything. But it's hilarious that you're trying to deflect the very real fact that the left uses these tactics as somehow being my fault Again, the left creates fake crises and uses that as an excuse to steal people's rights. While trump is perhaps the more recent example on a large scale we certainly seen this constantly throughout history. Remember when Justin Trudeau said that people who didn't take the vaccine were misogynists and bigots and waste of space that shouldn't be tolerated? He weaponized covid to try and win an election by spreading fear and anger This is another example. "It's a crisis, your rights no longer matter" 1 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted April 21 Report Posted April 21 13 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Changed your mind I see Nope. 14 minutes ago, CdnFox said: That doesn't even make sense. This retort underscores that it does. 16 minutes ago, CdnFox said: This is another example. "It's a crisis, your rights no longer matter" Sometimes that's the case alright. When they do in fact matter the court is there to remind everyone. Like I said, you people are just as quick and reactionary when condemning the courts for turning Canada into a dictatorship on occasion. And so, we have a Parliament to help us keep things on track. See how it works? It's a little messy, instant resolution and gratification are not it's forte but I can still do things like renew my car insurance without having to pay a bribe and I can simply consult a government website on whether it's safe to burn a brush pile that day. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Venandi Posted April 21 Report Posted April 21 (edited) 17 minutes ago, eyeball said: Like I said, you people are just as quick and reactionary when condemning the courts for turning Canada into a dictatorship on occasion. OMG... can't you see that it's situational? Banning ATV/dirt bikes, and forestry operations (by regulation) during a severe drought can sometimes make sense. Banning horses and people walking takes common sense and mobility rights to a different level. Since some of "you people" can't seem to fathom that as a concept, maybe you could convince me to switch to your side. But.... and it's a big butt, my conversion would be based on the fact that I deem you to be dangerous, totally unreasonable and completely incompetent. Keep talking, I'm almost there. Edited April 21 by Venandi 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted April 21 Author Report Posted April 21 31 minutes ago, Venandi said: OMG... can't you see that it's situational? Banning ATV/dirt bikes, and forestry operations (by regulation) during a severe drought can sometimes make sense. But the problem is you're kind regularly gets it wrong. You claim something is a crisis and then take away people's rights in the name of that crisis on a regular basis So no it's not really situational. It's opportunistic and predatorial. Those are not the same things 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted April 21 Report Posted April 21 1 hour ago, Venandi said: OMG... can't you see that it's situational? From the get go. 1 hour ago, Venandi said: Banning horses and people walking takes common sense and mobility rights to a different level. Allowing forestry and mining to continue while banning hikers takes it the other way. 1 hour ago, Venandi said: Since some of "you people" can't seem to fathom that as a concept, maybe you could convince me to switch to your side. I can't even convince you I'm on your side with you on the court decision. I still think there will be situations where governments need to act in an emergency and thankfully there's nothing in this ruling that prevents that. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Barquentine Posted April 22 Report Posted April 22 22 hours ago, Venandi said: Building a house that isn't to code isn't a right. Why not? 22 hours ago, Venandi said: people like you People like me? 22 hours ago, Venandi said: maybe some peoples mobility rights do need to be curbed to keep sensible people safe. When the situation calls for it Quote
eyeball Posted April 22 Report Posted April 22 22 hours ago, CdnFox said: So no it's not really situational. It's opportunistic and predatorial. Those are not the same things So when the government isn't a monkey on your back it's got your back? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted April 22 Author Report Posted April 22 3 hours ago, eyeball said: So when the government isn't a monkey on your back it's got your back? No.... nothing i said was remotely close to that. Dude it's Wednesday, no drinkie drinkie till the weekend! Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
WestCanMan Posted April 22 Report Posted April 22 On 4/17/2026 at 11:16 AM, CdnFox said: Those on the left rushed to defend the action stating that we have no right to go on to public land or into the backcountry and the government could do what it's wants and if a bunch of rednecks had to stay home and stay out of the woods too damn bad. Leftists: "Canadians shouldn't be allowed to hike because the fire risk is too high." Also leftists: "Iran can sink as many oil tankers as they need to, in order to keep the ayatollah's regime in power." Right, @cougar? What's 2 million barrels of oil in the gulf, per tanker, to secure a win for a genocidal theocratic dictatorship that even kills tens of thousands of their own freedom protesters? 1 Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
BeaverFever Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 On 4/17/2026 at 2:16 PM, CdnFox said: You guys may recall the last year Nova Scotia enacted a travel ban into his backcountry because of fire risk. I said at the time that it was probably not constitutional and was a gross over reaction and severely inappropriate. Those on the left rushed to defend the action stating that we have no right to go on to public land or into the backcountry and the government could do what it's wants and if a bunch of rednecks had to stay home and stay out of the woods too damn bad. Well, as is off in the case it turns out I was quite correct and the courts agree that the reaction was grossly disproportional and unconstitutional We will see if they appeal but that behavior was never okay. The Supreme Court of Nova Scotia struck down the province’s August 2025 "woods travel ban" on April 17, 2026. The court ruled that the government acted unreasonably and failed to consider the Charter rights of Nova Scotians when it prohibited entry into nearly 80% of the province’s land during a period of high wildfire risk. CTV News +2 Key Findings of the Ruling Lack of Charter Consideration: The court found no evidence that the Minister of Natural Resources considered Section 6 mobility rights or Section 7 liberty rights before issuing the blanket proclamation. Unconstitutional Process: While recognizing that governments can act in emergencies, the court held that the decision-making process was fundamentally flawed because it did not balance the ban’s impact on residents' rights with its public safety objectives. Arbitrary Nature: Evidence highlighted that the ban prohibited low-risk activities like hiking while allowing high-risk industrial activities (e.g., forestry and mining) to continue under permits, which the challengers argued was irrational and arbitrary. Canadian Constitution Foundation +4 Background of the Case The Proclamation: Issued on August 5, 2025, by Natural Resources Minister Tory Rushton, the ban prohibited travel in all woods—including private land—to prevent wildfires during a historic drought. Heavy Fines: Violations carried a maximum penalty of up to $25,000 (plus fees) or six months in prison. The Challengers: The case was brought by Jeffrey Evely, a Canadian Armed Forces veteran with PTSD who deliberately walked into the woods to receive a fine ($28,872.50) so he could challenge the law. He was supported by the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms (JCCF) and the Canadian Constitution Foundation (CCF). Are you aware that Nova Scotia has a conservative government? Quote
WestCanMan Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 27 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Are you aware that Nova Scotia has a conservative government? Are you aware that "a conservative" in the Atlantic provinces is still so far left that they're considered communists everywhere else in North America? Maritimers are nice, don't get me wrong, but phone companies in India and Pakistan had to block the Maritimes' area codes because they are all such scammers. 1 Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
CdnFox Posted April 24 Author Report Posted April 24 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: Are you aware that Nova Scotia has a conservative government? Do you think that makes it right somehow? But as far as conservative governments go their conservative government is extremely liberal. It's kind of like saying ontario has a conservative government. Yes the party is called the progressive conservative party but Doug Ford is more liberal than most liberals these days And what I said about the left here on this board rushing to defend the action is absolutely true. If I were calling properly even you chimed in on it and said what a great idea it was Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
BeaverFever Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 38 minutes ago, CdnFox said: If I were calling properly even you chimed in on it and said what a great idea it was No I don’t believe I commented on this topic 39 minutes ago, CdnFox said: But as far as conservative governments go their conservative government is extremely liberal. Dubious 39 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Doug Ford is more liberal than most liberals these days LOL NOT EVEN CLOSE Quote
WestCanMan Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 11 hours ago, CdnFox said: Doug Ford is more liberal than most liberals these days Doug Ford is the arch-enemy of conservatives in this country. If, by some treachery, he becomes the federal leader of the conservatives, that will be the end of "Western Canada". BC might remain, but AB and Sask would be gone within months. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
CdnFox Posted April 24 Author Report Posted April 24 12 hours ago, BeaverFever said: No I don’t believe I commented on this topic Believe you did but I'm not 100% sure and there's no search picture so I'll let it slide. Of course you can chime in now, do you believe it was a good idea at the time? I have a horrible feeling I'm not going to get an answer from you Quote Dubious No it isn't. Dubious isn't a word that means "True but i don't like it". Quote LOL NOT EVEN CLOSE Even carney said it Doug ford is a liberal. A lot of conservatives have been complaining about that for some time. If you're going to live in denial all the time you should move to Egypt Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
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