Private health care?

[User]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

My response is NOT 'So what', that's something indicating you can't hear, learn or listen, only respond along your own predrawn conclusion. IOW you knowingly LIE to back up your argument.
We all wanr wait times reduced but LYING about them doesn't do anything positive whatsoever. Stealing every Doctor we can that is sick of your disgusting US excuse of a medical system does.

No lie. A person here is earnestly seeking out an MRI cost comparison because they don't want to wait and what does herbie tell them?

"If you simply don't want to wait, no one is stopping you from going to the USA or even India if you wish to."

There is no lie, the avg wait times are around 6 months. That is the average, meaning, the person with the painful throbbing knee that needs an MRI is waiting for a year...

If our system is so disgusting, why do you need to steal doctors?

I swear, do you even stop to think before you type?

[blackbird]

Canada and the provinces need to examine the German health care system.  It is a combination of public and private,   It sounds like it is a much better system than Canada's failing system.  You can read about it by doing an internet search.

Many people in Canada have a mental block driven by radical leftist ideology and refuse to consider changing the failed system.

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, blackbird said:

Canada and the provinces need to examine the German health care system.  It is a combination of public and private,

Maybe it's the way Germany combines their provincial and federal governments. We've got 13 independent jurisdictions running our health systems. Germany has 1.

[August1991]

On 5/6/2026 at 11:26 PM, herbie said:

The morning after they first suspected. The 2nd a day after that. Other people wait because patients are triaged. You don't wait if it's life and death.
I just heard on the radio talk show how some guy had a 5 year waiting list for knee replacement. The host didn't even call him for that bullshit. Acted like he believed the ass

 

Herbie, I call fake. I know you're not AI but you take sides.

Define "first suspected" or "life and death".

[blackbird]

6 hours ago, eyeball said:

Maybe it's the way Germany combines their provincial and federal governments. We've got 13 independent jurisdictions running our health systems. Germany has 1.

Yes, we are over burdened with government administration, taxes, and control.  Do you know it now costs the provincial government 1.8 million dollars to build each long term care bed?  There are 7,200 people waiting to get into a long term or extended care home.  The construction of long term care homes has been put on hold by the provincial government until the companies find a way to bring the price down.  It is over burdened with bureaucracy and red tape regulations at every step of the process.  Under the existing rules, long term care rooms are being built like hospital rooms which also increases the price a lot.   Meanwhile, thousands of elderly people can't get into long term care and are stuck in hospitals at $1,500 per day or with aged relatives struggling to look after them.

Edited May 9 by blackbird

[August1991]

14 hours ago, blackbird said:

Canada and the provinces need to examine the German health care system.  It is a combination of public and private,   

.....

I strongly agree

Modern Germany is a federal State, like Canada. Thuringia is nothing like Hamburg, a city state.

More important, health care and education are local State questions.

Edited May 9 by August1991

[August1991]

For you Germans, religion is no longer a problem.

But you still have accents when you speak.

In Canada -a federal State also - this is a serious problem: in one province, most people speak French.

Nowadays religion is not a problem. But language is.

[herbie]

12 hours ago, August1991 said:

I know you're not AI but you take sides.

Damn rights I will take sides on this issue.

And AI doen't make so many damn typos...stubby fingers on changing keyboards do.

[User]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Damn rights I will take sides on this issue.

And AI doen't make so many damn typos...stubby fingers on changing keyboards do.

Narrator: Herbie's side is, you have to wait for an MRI? So what! 

[August1991]

On 5/9/2026 at 2:50 PM, herbie said:

Damn rights I will take sides on this issue.

And AI doen't make so many damn typos...stubby fingers on changing keyboards do.

Herbie,

I paid about Cdn $1500 for medical scans in our supposed "public" health system.

True, I jumped the queue.

[eyeball]

On 5/10/2026 at 8:55 PM, August1991 said:

Herbie,

I paid about Cdn $1500 for medical scans in our supposed "public" health system.

True, I jumped the queue.

No, you paid for a private service in a health system that is based on the principle of universality that all residents within a population are entitled to equitable access to a comprehensive range of quality health services without facing financial hardship. It guarantees coverage for everyone, regardless of income, age, or health status.

When you jumped the queue someone somewhere went without so you could go ahead.

 

[User]

11 hours ago, eyeball said:

No, you paid for a private service in a health system that is based on the principle of universality that all residents within a population are entitled to equitable access to a comprehensive range of quality health services without facing financial hardship. It guarantees coverage for everyone, regardless of income, age, or health status.

When you jumped the queue someone somewhere went without so you could go ahead.

 

No, when you supported this system based on "equitable access," you created a shortage that drove up wait times to such an unreasonable place that people feel compelled to pay more out of pocket to get the services they need.

A private clinic offering MRI services is just that.  Private. 

You are so damn stupid, you can't even imagine that if he took himself out of the public system and paid for a private MRI, his actions likely freed up a space in the public system. Clown. 
 

Edited May 14 by User

[blackbird]

16 hours ago, eyeball said:

No, you paid for a private service in a health system that is based on the principle of universality that all residents within a population are entitled to equitable access to a comprehensive range of quality health services without facing financial hardship. It guarantees coverage for everyone, regardless of income, age, or health status.

When you jumped the queue someone somewhere went without so you could go ahead.

 

So tell me why about 28,000 people died on waiting lists in 2023-2024?  It's time to admit the health care system is a disaster.  Many people are deceived into thinking it will take care of them.  Maybe, if they are fortunate.  No such thing as equity and fairness in the system.  That is the big deception that the herbies believe.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

So tell me why about 28,000 people died on waiting lists in 2023-2024? 

We don't have enough doctors and nurses.  Did you know there are 13000 doctors and thousands more nurses in Canada right now who are quite qualified to be doctors and nurses but they can't get certified?

Maybe we should deny care to people that can afford it so they'll just go to another country and free up space.

[blackbird]

23 hours ago, eyeball said:

We don't have enough doctors and nurses.  Did you know there are 13000 doctors and thousands more nurses in Canada right now who are quite qualified to be doctors and nurses but they can't get certified?

Maybe we should deny care to people that can afford it so they'll just go to another country and free up space.

How does that fit with the leftist ideology of providing equal care for everyone?  I know,  Marxism believes it's evil to be successful and have some money.  The lazy criminals and drug addicts on the street deserve everything.

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[eyeball]

32 minutes ago, blackbird said:

How does that fit with the leftist ideology of providing equal care for everyone?

There'd be less competition in a system that can't meet the demand.

35 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I know,  Marxism believes it's evil to be successful and have some money.  The lazy criminals and drug addicts on the street deserve everything.

If you say so.

In the meantime why don't you just go abroad and jump someone else's queue?

Perhaps Canada should send people for care in other countries when it's provinces can't deliver. I bet there's a good case to be made in court that its our right to expect that.

[blackbird]

41 minutes ago, eyeball said:

There'd be less competition in a system that can't meet the demand.

If you say so.

In the meantime why don't you just go abroad and jump someone else's queue?

Perhaps Canada should send people for care in other countries when it's provinces can't deliver. I bet there's a good case to be made in court that its our right to expect that.

That your own perverse thinking.  Every Canadian has a right to care in his own country.  Nobody would buy your argument.

[eyeball]

12 minutes ago, blackbird said:

That your own perverse thinking.  Every Canadian has a right to care in his own country.  Nobody would buy your argument.

I'm pretty sure the principle of universality states that every Canadian has a right to care, it doesn't say or limit it to care only in Canada.

I bet anyone facing a deadly disease, no doctors and a long wait time would buy into our health care system paying for care wherever and whenever it's available and required.

Of course you'd object to it because you're a Christian nutbar who thinks it's more righteous to jump over someone with less money than you.

 

 

[herbie]

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Every Canadian has a right to care

Not only that

Every Canadian has a right to EQUAL healthcare

If you don't believe in that, your not a mainstream Canadian, but you're still free to go elsewhere.

[User]

6 hours ago, herbie said:

Not only that

Every Canadian has a right to EQUAL healthcare

If you don't believe in that, your not a mainstream Canadian, but you're still free to go elsewhere.

And if you don’t like how abysmally slow that equality is? So what! 

[August1991]

On 5/14/2026 at 12:01 AM, eyeball said:

No, you paid for a private service in a health system that is based on the principle of universality that all residents within a population are entitled to equitable access to a comprehensive range of quality health services without facing financial hardship. It guarantees coverage for everyone, regardless of income, age, or health status.

When you jumped the queue someone somewhere went without so you could go ahead.

 

Eyeball,

Increasingly, across Canada in various provinces, boomers with money will pay for "private medical tests".

[eyeball]

8 hours ago, August1991 said:

Eyeball,

Increasingly, across Canada in various provinces, boomers with money will pay for "private medical tests".

And if they're utilizing private clinics that also serve the public system people will be bumped.

[User]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

And if they're utilizing private clinics that also serve the public system people will be bumped.

Except… those private clinics exist BECAUSE of the private demand and they actually offer expanded capacity to the system when they extend their use to the public. 
 

No one is bumped. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

When it comes to health care you can only have two of the following: high quality, low cost, easy availability. Most of the best medical systems are in Europe and have a mixed approach, public and private. Bear in mind these are microstates compared to Canada. It’s a lot easier to deliver care in a tiny country. IMO the best peer is Australia which resembles us in many ways, including geographically. They also have a mixed system. 

[eyeball]

19 hours ago, User said:

Except… those private clinics exist BECAUSE of the private demand and they actually offer expanded capacity to the system when they extend their use to the public. 
 

No one is bumped. 

They are if the private clinic serves someone with deeper pockets first.