Live updates: One pilot rescued, one still missing after U.S. fighter (F-15) jet shot down over Iran, officials say

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52 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I just don't understand how somebody gets there

Everyone was told they bombed the nuclear program out of existence last year.

Now it's back to being an imminent threat?

🤔

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Everyone was told they bombed the nuclear program out of existence last year.

Now it's back to being an imminent threat?

🤔

 

Some or all of the enriched fissile material likely survived the bombing last year.

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14 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Some or all of the enriched fissile material likely survived the bombing last year.

Lucky for Trump.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Everyone was told they bombed the nuclear program out of existence last year.

That's a lie. They said they did significant damage to it, and they are very expressly said they would keep an eye on it and if they tried to rebuild it then they would take for their action. But pretty much everyone said they couldn't be sure how much damage was done and that it would be possible to get it going again if they put in enough of an effort

So yeah a year later it looks like they were rebuilding that program and making progress.  It seemed universally accepted last year that they were getting uncomfortably close, with about enough material for about 9 bombs with a little more enrichment.  I'm sure the attack last year was a major setback but even then they stated they didn't know for sure how bad they'd damaged it. 

Now they say they'd recovered and were getting closer.  I don't trust anything without proof when it comes to WMD's but it's a credible claim that would be in keeping with the data we do know. So it's plausible at least. 

 

 

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Lucky for Trump.

 

Sorta...no matter how this ends up, there will always be risks and concerns about clandestine enrichment and proliferation, but having the IAEA inspections resume with other protocols should help.

Remember Hans Blix ?   "Miss-i-els"

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2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I don't trust anything without proof when it comes to WMD's 

Sure. I bet you still have an unopened copy of Colin Powell's comic book.

 

[Venandi]

9 hours ago, eyeball said:

Everyone was told they bombed the nuclear program out of existence last year.

Now it's back to being an imminent threat?

Always the same response from you. Beware hanging your hat on one facet of multifaceted intelligence assessments, especially if it's the one that best fits your narrative.

Always best to consider that your narrative, your hopes, your vision, and your preferred outcome isn't governing... it just isn't how the world works and it doesn't matter how many times you repeat it. Reality is what it is and it doesn't care whether you like Trump or not.

Any intelligence assessments released via open source reporting should be looked at cautiously. That doesn't mean they aren't real, it just means (potentially, I say likely) that the one you got to see was one of several in existence, not necessarily the one most likely to be true.

I look at those as being IO tools, then I cancel the flashing MASTER CAUTION light and start looking deeper, thinking that perhaps something else is afoot... that's just me BTW but expecting simple solutions to solve complex problems is usually wishful thinking at best. Apply it to warfare and it will eat your lunch and kick your a$$.

Yes indeed.... Infrastructure may have been obliterated but it's likely that most of the material was moved (IMO of course). There was too much build up for that not to have happened, too many bagpipes playing and none of the drones were properly tuned. The regime in Iran may be evil but they aren't stupid.  

And here's an undeniable fact to consider... no one here actually knows what the real current assessment is. And, on the off chance someone actually does, you won't hear a thing about it, not a single post, not a single utterance, not a peep. They will read the paper, they might even read your post.... then they'll laugh as they wipe their a$$ with it. 

As soon as you admit that you know you don't know, a world of possibilities awaits. One of them stands out in my mind and I keep asking the same question to no avail... here it is again:

I'd submit that in the absence of US participation that Israel would have acted unilaterally, maybe not on the existing timeline but it would certainly have happened. Do you think that would have been better? 

I'll go first... I think it would have been orders of magnitude fuc%ing worse for reasons that could easily fill an entirely new thread. This action has caused some economic pain to be sure but (IMO again) it pales in comparison to what it might have otherwise been.

There is and was little in the way of good options here. Later was worse than now, unilateral action was worse than combined, and waiting for a "coalition of the unwilling" to form would have proved unlikely, ungainly, ineffective and ultimately ill advised. You need only peruse the comments here to see why I think that.

I know full well that I don't know, but I'm pretty sure that history will eventually have its way with this and I bet the story will have a few surprises when all is revealed. 

Edited April 8 by Venandi

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11 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

What other possible meaning could there be?  Of course in the end TACO was just making empty threats as usual and has now given a 2-week extension 

Well, for starters, he didn’t use any such specific words as genocide.

That is the problem with you guys, you always have to add in extra words not said.

Trump is a shit talker, it could quite obviously be little more than him shit talking up how bad it’s going to be to get them to back down.

Seems to have worked. 

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5 hours ago, Venandi said:

I know full well that I don't know, but I'm pretty sure that history will eventually have its way with this and I bet the story will have a few surprises when all is revealed. 

You seem to think there's some hidden mystery to all this.  It's just another flare up in a forever war AFAIC. I was only mocking the pretext for this one.

In any case we haven't seen anything yet and I have no doubt it'll go nuclear sooner or later, and I doubt that'll be the worst of it.

[CdnFox]

16 hours ago, eyeball said:

Sure. I bet you still have an unopened copy of Colin Powell's comic book.

 

Whereas you were hoping it was true because they'd use the nukes on the israelis.  From the river to the sea, amirite?

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1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Whereas you were hoping it was true because they'd use the nukes on the israelis.  From the river to the sea, amirite?

When that happens it'll probably be a stolen nuke smuggled out of Russia.

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

When that happens it'll probably be a stolen nuke smuggled out of Russia.

I'm sure you daydream about loss of possible scenarios.

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17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I'm sure you daydream about loss of possible scenarios.

Remember you heard it here.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Remember you heard it here.

Heard it from you for well over a year. Since back when you said that hamas was exercising his human rights when it's slotted civilians

I suppose technically you said that here too so maybe you're right

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2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I suppose technically you said that here too so maybe you're right

I might have been lying.

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

I might have been lying.

no you're pretty clear that you'd be just as happy to see all of the Jews killed in the name of what you perceive as justice.

Sometimes the truth just leaks out with you and that's one of them .

[bush_cheney2004]

FBI has arrested leaker for disclosing information about covert operations:

 

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A federal grand jury has indicted a former U.S. Army employee on charges of disclosing classified information to a journalist, the Justice Department announced Wednesday.

Courtney Williams, 40, of North Carolina, was arrested by FBI agents on Tuesday

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/fbi-arrests-former-army-employee-230725643.html

 

Edited April 10 by bush_cheney2004

[robosmith]

On 4/7/2026 at 9:54 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

It is baffling...I can only conclude that they are blinded by TDS rage no matter what the issue is.  For them, any Trump domestic or foreign policy success is a setback for their vehement opposition, resistance, etc.   They don't care about the bigger picture.

Iranian nukes have been a concern for a very long time...way before Trump.  Ironically, Iran's nuclear aspirations started with Eisenhower and the Atoms for Peace program...then things changed.   Pakistan sped things up with shared designs and centrifuge technology from scientist A.Q. Khan (father of their bomb in 1998).  This very credible threat spans many years and presidents.

 

Trump claimed to have OBLITERATED Iran's nuke program and Gabbard has testified they HAVE NOT make any moves to restore it.

AKA you are a FOOL to buy Trump's NUKE EXCUSE which was/is FAR FROM IMMINENT, for the war.

On 4/7/2026 at 10:04 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Some or all of the enriched fissile material likely survived the bombing last year.

NO MOVES have been made to retrieve that, let alone design or construct a bomb.

[robosmith]

On 4/8/2026 at 3:32 AM, Venandi said:

Always the same response from you. Beware hanging your hat on one facet of multifaceted intelligence assessments, especially if it's the one that best fits your narrative.

Always best to consider that your narrative, your hopes, your vision, and your preferred outcome isn't governing... it just isn't how the world works and it doesn't matter how many times you repeat it. Reality is what it is and it doesn't care whether you like Trump or not.

Any intelligence assessments released via open source reporting should be looked at cautiously. That doesn't mean they aren't real, it just means (potentially, I say likely) that the one you got to see was one of several in existence, not necessarily the one most likely to be true.

I look at those as being IO tools, then I cancel the flashing MASTER CAUTION light and start looking deeper, thinking that perhaps something else is afoot... that's just me BTW but expecting simple solutions to solve complex problems is usually wishful thinking at best. Apply it to warfare and it will eat your lunch and kick your a$$.

Yes indeed.... Infrastructure may have been obliterated but it's likely that most of the material was moved (IMO of course). There was too much build up for that not to have happened, too many bagpipes playing and none of the drones were properly tuned. The regime in Iran may be evil but they aren't stupid.  

And here's an undeniable fact to consider... no one here actually knows what the real current assessment is. And, on the off chance someone actually does, you won't hear a thing about it, not a single post, not a single utterance, not a peep. They will read the paper, they might even read your post.... then they'll laugh as they wipe their a$$ with it. 

As soon as you admit that you know you don't know, a world of possibilities awaits. One of them stands out in my mind and I keep asking the same question to no avail... here it is again:

I'd submit that in the absence of US participation that Israel would have acted unilaterally, maybe not on the existing timeline but it would certainly have happened. Do you think that would have been better? 

I'll go first... I think it would have been orders of magnitude fuc%ing worse for reasons that could easily fill an entirely new thread. This action has caused some economic pain to be sure but (IMO again) it pales in comparison to what it might have otherwise been.

There is and was little in the way of good options here. Later was worse than now, unilateral action was worse than combined, and waiting for a "coalition of the unwilling" to form would have proved unlikely, ungainly, ineffective and ultimately ill advised. You need only peruse the comments here to see why I think that.

I know full well that I don't know, but I'm pretty sure that history will eventually have its way with this and I bet the story will have a few surprises when all is revealed. 

You remind me of CURVEBALL, the source of ALLEDGED intelligence which confirmed SADAM's WMD existed. LMAO

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13 minutes ago, robosmith said:

NO MOVES have been made to retrieve that, let alone design or construct a bomb.

Yet again, you are the most worthless poster on this forum. 

"The uranium at Isfahan is accessible to the Iranians, who had been working for months after the US military strikes last year to clear the rubble of the facility’s aboveground structures and access the underground tunnels where the uranium was hidden, two of the sources said. UN nuclear watchdog chief Rafael Grossi said on Monday that around 200 kilograms of Iran’s highly enriched uranium is probably still at Isfahan, with some also at Iran’s Natanz nuclear facility."
https://www.cnn.com/2026/03/09/politics/iran-uranium-us-ground-forces-nuclear

[robosmith]

19 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

FBI has arrested leaker for disclosing information about covert operations:

Your "Where is the BUZZ" source is NOT CREDIBLE.

From a CREDIBLE SOURCE:

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Williams held top secret security clearance for her work with the military from 2010 to 2016, the Justice Department said in a news release. Court documents allege that Williams communicated with a journalist from 2022 to 2025, during which they had “over 10 hours of phone calls and exchanged more than 180 messages.”

She OBVIOUSLY had NO ACCESS to classified info about the identity nor whereabouts of the missing airman from the downed F15E in Iran

[Venandi]

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

You remind me of CURVEBALL, the source of ALLEDGED intelligence which confirmed SADAM's WMD existed. LMAO

Actually, I didn't buy into most of that.

Did you watch Powell's address to the UN and take a moment to consider his supporting evidence? I particularly enjoyed the input from British intelligence sources. Not their finest work IMO. 

It all reminded me of Democratic efforts on Russian collusion.

To me, all of that made about as much sense as the BS you routinely ply this forum with. After all the hysterical giggling you've done here I'm surprised you have any a$$ left at all. Given the magnitude of a$$ lost, the remaining portions probably start below your neck and are slowly creeping upwards.

If you choose to take a doggedly partisan approach to any sort of conflict you usually end up eating the grass

 

Edited April 11 by Venandi

[eyeball]

On 4/8/2026 at 3:32 AM, Venandi said:

Always the same response from you. Beware hanging your hat on one facet of multifaceted intelligence assessments, especially if it's the one that best fits your narrative.

It was Trump's assessment and narrative not mine. 

[Venandi]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It was Trump's assessment and narrative not mine. 

Already covered. Accept the I/O reality of narrative from both sides or don't. Playing music is easier when you lear to read it.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 11 by Venandi

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, Venandi said:

Already covered. Accept the reality of narrative from both sides or don't.

My own narrative suits me just fine and reality more often than not validates it.