User Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 5 hours ago, paxamericana said: They left a blind man who doesn’t speak English out in the middle of a closed down Tim Horton at 36F. Was it the agent’s fault that he was blind elderly or didn’t speak English ? No, should they have notified his family to pick him up instead, yeah. Lots of procedural improvements to be had in hindsight. Partially blind. Spoke little English. He died almost a week later so what is your point in quoting the temperature? The coffee shop wasn’t closed for the whole week. If he asked to be dropped off there or released, why should they notify his family? The point remains, there is no evidence his death has anything to do with this. 5 hours ago, eyeball said: How is you running in circles different than you running away? Thanks, that's always the surest sign you've got nothing. I accept your surrender. Quote
paxamericana Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 1 hour ago, User said: The point remains, there is no evidence his death has anything to do with this. Interesting take but that’s not what is being reported in the article. Quote
Deluge Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 On 2/28/2026 at 4:47 PM, TreeBeard said: Do you think it’s acceptable for the border patrol to do what they did? Yes. If you're going to break into the country, you damn well better have a plan when the activist judge releases you. Quote
User Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 5 hours ago, paxamericana said: Interesting take but that’s not what is being reported in the article. OK, then cite what is being reported on n the article to answer the questions and demonstrates how his death has anything to do with this. Now you are just engaged in a very weak form of circular reasoning and avoiding having to defend your baseless assertions. 1 Quote
paxamericana Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 23 minutes ago, User said: OK, then cite what is being reported on n the article to answer the questions and demonstrates how his death has anything to do with this. Now you are just engaged in a very weak form of circular reasoning and avoiding having to defend your baseless assertions. Wait do you just want to argue or are you actually interested in genuine debate? Don’t be lazy, read the article. It’s not a hard read. Quote
User Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 14 minutes ago, paxamericana said: Wait do you just want to argue or are you actually interested in genuine debate? Don’t be lazy, read the article. It’s not a hard read. I did read the article as well as others. Genuine debate? That is exactly what I’m engaged in. You make baseless assertions, I’m asking you to explain them and what you base them on. You keep avoiding this. Quote
eyeball Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 There are certainly precedents for what might have happened to Nurul Amin Shah Alam. Enough to cause concern and an investigation. Consider the deeply disturbing, historical, and, in some cases, ongoing pattern of misconduct involving the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) and municipal police forces, primarily in Saskatchewan, where Indigenous individuals have been abandoned in sub-zero temperatures, often referred to as "Starlight Tours" Baltimore Police are known for "Rough Rides". While not involving the cold, the practice of rough rides—where police intentionally drive a transport van erratically to injure a shackled, unbelted suspect—has been cited as a comparable form of extrajudicial "street justice." The 2015 death of Freddie Gray is the most prominent U.S. example of this. Whether it was through incompetence, negligence or indifference is moot at this point, only the Border Patrol officers will know for sure - in any case the practice of police just dropping people off the way Nurul Alam was given his circumstances should not be something that is allowed to happen again. Protocols and measures need to be in place that prevent it. 1 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Nationalist Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 This thread is dumb. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
User Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 6 minutes ago, paxamericana said: Yes, you are now just quoting the baseless assertions of the Mayor. You still have not answered what the temperature has to do with anything, how his death almost a week later is the Border Patrols fault, etc… Quote
eyeball Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 23 minutes ago, Nationalist said: This thread is dumb. Yeah...a couple bullets when he viciously attacked LEOs would have been so much easier for everyone wouldn't it? 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
User Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 37 minutes ago, eyeball said: Whether it was through incompetence, negligence or indifference is moot at this point, only the Border Patrol officers will know for sure - in any case the practice of police just dropping people off the way Nurul Alam was given his circumstances should not be something that is allowed to happen again. Protocols and measures need to be in place that prevent it. More bullshit. You still can’t answer how the Border Patrol had anything to do with his death. 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 1 minute ago, eyeball said: Yeah...a couple bullets when he viciously attacked LEOs would have been so much easier for everyone wouldn't it? No. This is dumb. Im sure glad I slid to the right politically, before I slid to embarassingly stupid like you Tweenkies. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
eyeball Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 (edited) 15 minutes ago, User said: You still can’t answer how the Border Patrol had anything to do with his death. Only the Border Patrol can answer that. There are still plenty of reasons for the public to be mistrustful and skeptical and to demand an investigation and to expect recommendations for measures that prevent similar things from happening in the future. If you figure that's a baseless expectation I won't be surprised in the least. That's because you people want law enforcement to convey a certain prejudice when its carried out, as evidenced by your outrage whenever police authoritah and especially veracity is questioned. Some cops are real pigs and some people want real pigs for cops. It just is what it is. Edited March 2 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 14 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Im sure glad I slid to the right politically, before I slid to embarassingly stupid like you Tweenkies. When you slide as far to the right as you did anything and everything else just becomes stupid by default. Don't try to pretend you've put any thought into why. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Nationalist Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: There are still plenty of reasons for the public to be mistrustful and skeptical Which it sounds like you want. Perpetual mistrust and skepticism of police. You consistently try to introduce both. That's not progressive. Its destructive. 1 minute ago, eyeball said: When you slide as far to the right as you did anything and everything else just becomes stupid by default. Don't try to pretend you've put any thought into why. I won't. I see quite clearly, what you are. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
CdnFox Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 8 minutes ago, eyeball said: Only the Border Patrol can answer that. They did. They said they didn't do anything wrong So I guess that's case closed then is it? 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
User Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 6 minutes ago, eyeball said: Only the Border Patrol can answer that. There are still plenty of reasons for the public to be mistrustful and skeptical and to demand an investigation and to expect recommendations for measures that prevent similar things from happening in the future. If you figure that's a baseless expectation I won't be surprised in the least. That's because you people want law enforcement to convey a certain prejudice when its carried out, as evidenced by your outrage whenever police authoritah and especially veracity is questioned. Some cops are real pigs and some people want real pigs for cops. It just is what it is. They did comment, They said they dropped the dude off and then he died almost a week later having nothing to do with them. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 Just now, User said: They did comment, They said they dropped the dude off and then he died almost a week later having nothing to do with them. Eyeball said only they can say for sure, and sure they said but they didn't REEEEEAAAALLY REALLY say, they just sort of said, which is sad so he said they should really say, see what he's saying? and by that he means they should just admit they're guilty of something whether they are or they aren't and if they don't then they're not really saying. 'Nuff said. 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
paxamericana Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 (edited) 18 minutes ago, User said: They did comment, They said they dropped the dude off and then he died almost a week later having nothing to do with them The question is whether he was a person of fit mind and body when he was released. And proper notification were given to his family. The time of death is not the issue. Death from exposure takes time. Edited March 2 by paxamericana Quote
User Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 9 minutes ago, paxamericana said: The question is whether he was a person of fit mind and body when he was released. And proper notification were given to his family. The time of death is not the issue. Death from exposure takes time. These are questions. This is not a response backing up the baseless assertions you are making. Do you have evidence he was not of fit mind or body? What notifications were supposed to be given that were not? The time of death is 100% at issue when you are seeking to blame the Border Patrol for it. Quote
paxamericana Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 7 minutes ago, User said: backing up the baseless assertions My assertions is that there are a series of factors that lead up to a dead man, the GOAL, as should yours, is to investigate what happen and hep prevent similar tragedy from occurring. Quote
eyeball Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 21 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Which it sounds like you want. Perpetual mistrust and skepticism of police. You consistently try to introduce both. You're a complete ****** if these sentiments are actually what drives your thinking. It shouldn't be surprising why more right wingers likely become cops than lefties do. It's probably the first thing people should consider when wondering why cops behave the way they do. 43 minutes ago, Nationalist said: That's not progressive. Its destructive. It's more like self-preservation. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
User Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 10 minutes ago, paxamericana said: My assertions is that there are a series of factors that lead up to a dead man, the GOAL, as should yours, is to investigate what happen and hep prevent similar tragedy from occurring. Nope. You are changing your stance now. You claimed it was a tragic mistake by DHS. Quote
eyeball Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 46 minutes ago, CdnFox said: They did. They said they didn't do anything wrong So I guess that's case closed then is it? Of course it would be to a smitten cop lover. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
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