Democrats in mourning as Mexican cartel leader El Muncho killed

[West]

https://www.foxnews.com/world/major-drug-lord-el-mencho-killed-mexican-military-operation-us-intelligence-support

Apparently Puerto Vallarta is under a shelter in place order 

[Deluge]

17 hours ago, West said:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/major-drug-lord-el-mencho-killed-mexican-military-operation-us-intelligence-support

Apparently Puerto Vallarta is under a shelter in place order 

Yes, it's a devastating loss for roboherrera and other cartel sympathizers. 

[Nationalist]

Cleaning up Mexico would require a lot of military conflict and cost a lot of blood. How badly do you want it?

[SpankyMcFarland]

50 years ago a British minister departed from his script and talked frankly about “an acceptable level” of violence in Northern Ireland:

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In a 15 December 1971 news conference, British Home Secretary Reginald Maudling commented on the escalation of violence as the Northern Ireland conflict was beginning. Maudling said, "I don't think one can speak of defeating the IRA [Provisional Irish Republican Army], of eliminating them completely, but it is the design of the security forces to reduce their level of violence to something like an acceptable level."^[1][2][3] It was the first time that the British government acknowledged that it did not have the power to eliminate Irish republican terrorism.^[3]According to historian Charles Townshend, this was "wholly unprecedented in public rhetoric".^[4]

As long as a massive market exists for illegal drugs, suppliers will exist for that market. That’s capitalism, folks. Were I running Mexico, my priority would be to protect law-abiding civilians in my country. The cartel leaders would be put on notice - exceed the acceptable level of violence that we expect and we will replace you with somebody else. Abolishing the cartels is a fool’s errand. What should Mexicans slaughter each other in that futile cause? 
 

 

[User]

19 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

As long as a massive market exists for illegal drugs, suppliers will exist for that market. That’s capitalism, folks. Were I running Mexico, my priority would be to protect law-abiding civilians in my country. The cartel leaders would be put on notice - exceed the acceptable level of violence that we expect and we will replace you with somebody else. Abolishing the cartels is a fool’s errand. What should Mexicans slaughter each other in that futile cause? 

If your position as a country is oh well, Cartels are cool! You are going to have bigger issues to deal with from America.

It is not "capitalism" to be hopelessly addicted to a drug.

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

28 minutes ago, User said:

If your position as a country is oh well, Cartels are cool! You are going to have bigger issues to deal with from America.

It is not "capitalism" to be hopelessly addicted to a drug.

 

Aren’t conservatives supposed to see the world as it is, devoid of wishful thinking? Cartels are an evil but they are not going to go away because we want them to. There is a massive market for illegal drugs where the laws of supply and demand hold just as they do with any other product. The prime cause for the cartels lives all around us. That is the grim reality which we have had decades to absorb. 

Edited February 23 by SpankyMcFarland

[User]

6 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Aren’t conservatives supposed to see the world as it is, devoid of wishful thinking? Cartels are an evil but they are not going to go away because we want them to. There is a massive market for illegal drugs where the laws of supply and demand hold just as they do with any other product. The prime cause for the cartels lives all around us. That is the grim reality which we have had decades to absorb. 

What is my wishful thinking?

Cartels are not going to go away because we want them to... no, but they certainly have a lot harder time operating when they are dead. 

The laws of supply and demand are also impacted by risk, and as I have to keep pointing out, the demand is not based on logical, rational decision-making; it is being made by addicts. 

I also support involuntary institutionalizing people for mental issues as well as drug issues to get them clean, rather than leave them to the streets. 

 

 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Aren’t conservatives supposed to see the world as it is, devoid of wishful thinking? Cartels are an evil but they are not going to go away because we want them to. There is a massive market for illegal drugs where the laws of supply and demand hold just as they do with any other product. The prime cause for the cartels lives all around us. That is the grim reality which we have had decades to absorb. 

This is semi-true. Defeatist but semi-true. But ya know...the "Just Say No" campaign from Nancy Reagan was effective. We've been social engineering forever. The public can rather easily be swayed. All it takes is determination. 

Of which you seem to have little.

[LinkSoul60]

2 hours ago, User said:

The laws of supply and demand are also impacted by risk, and as I have to keep pointing out, the demand is not based on logical, rational decision-making; it is being made by addicts. 

I don't know the actual stats but I would confidently guess that the vast majority of drug users are 'casual' rather than addicts. Whether the decision of demand is logical or not is irrelevant because the demand will always be there.  No different than it is with alcohol. Simple economics tell you that when there is demand there will always be supply.

2 hours ago, User said:

I also support involuntary institutionalizing people for mental issues as well as drug issues to get them clean, rather than leave them to the streets. 

Interesting debate we hear often....  Admittedly not sure where I am on this. Who determines a 'mental issue' is and who decides what the criteria is for involuntarily institutionalizing someone. Politicians, health care professionals, law enforcement, social workers, combo of all?  If it is either or who chooses them....our sitting government in the politically divided societies we live in?  Probably most important to the masses though is who is going to pay for the new and needed brick and mortar institution facilities, phycologists, doctors, nurses, social workers, etc, etc? The masses want these people of the street and cared for, but the masses don't want to pay for it.  No easy solutions to these issues...

[User]

1 minute ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I don't know the actual stats but I would confidently guess that the vast majority of drug users are 'casual' rather than addicts. Whether the decision of demand is logical or not is irrelevant because the demand will always be there.  No different than it is with alcohol. Simple economics tell you that when there is demand there will always be supply.

We are not talking about mere "drug users" as if these cartels are making all their money from marijuana... 

The decision of demand is relevent because you and others keep making it seem like this is just normal consumer demand when it is not. No, the demand will not always be there if we deal with addicition AND deal with supply. 

So... lets test your theory then, you oppose all gun regulations and think all guns should be sold?

The fact that there may or may not be demand for any particular good, doesn't mean we as a society simply make everything lawful. 

4 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Interesting debate we hear often....  Admittedly not sure where I am on this. Who determines a 'mental issue' is and who decides what the criteria is for involuntarily institutionalizing someone. Politicians, health care professionals, law enforcement, social workers, combo of all?  If it is either or who chooses them....our sitting government in the politically divided societies we live in?  Probably most important to the masses though is who is going to pay for the new and needed brick and mortar institution facilities, phycologists, doctors, nurses, social workers, etc, etc? The masses want these people of the street and cared for, but the masses don't want to pay for it.  No easy solutions to these issues...

Of course you do not know where you are here... you want to scream about not targetting the cartels and then also have no thoughts on helping the addicts. 

Of course. 

You have no real position other than let the streets be flooded with homeless people who have mental issues and are addicted to drugs. 

 

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, User said:

We are not talking about mere "drug users" as if these cartels are making all their money from marijuana... 

The decision of demand is relevent because you and others keep making it seem like this is just normal consumer demand when it is not. No, the demand will not always be there if we deal with addicition AND deal with supply. 

So... lets test your theory then, you oppose all gun regulations and think all guns should be sold?

The fact that there may or may not be demand for any particular good, doesn't mean we as a society simply make everything lawful. 

Drugs have been around as long as you've been on this planet and will be here long after you're gone. People aren't perfect and neither is the world. 

Where are you going now.... I never said anything about guns and certainly didn't say anything about legalization.

 

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, User said:

Of course you do not know where you are here... you want to scream about not targetting the cartels and then also have no thoughts on helping the addicts. 

Of course. 

You have no real position other than let the streets be flooded with homeless people who have mental issues and are addicted to drugs. 

You solve the worlds problems then...  I don't have the fail safe solutions to mental illness and drug addiction. 

[User]

9 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You solve the worlds problems then...  I don't have the fail safe solutions to mental illness and drug addiction. 

Then stop crying about blowing up cartel members or arresting them. 

16 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Drugs have been around as long as you've been on this planet and will be here long after you're gone. People aren't perfect and neither is the world. 

Where are you going now.... I never said anything about guns and certainly didn't say anything about legalization.

 

Murder and theft have been around forever... should we make that legal too?

Of course, you didn't say anything about guns, but to the point, do you think we should pass laws to make their purchase illegal?

Weapons have been around forever too!

[LinkSoul60]

9 minutes ago, User said:

Then stop crying about blowing up cartel members or arresting them. 

Cite where I said anything about blowing up cartel members, or for that matter even mentioned cartels.  Are you by chance hallucinating?

12 minutes ago, User said:

Murder and theft have been around forever... should we make that legal too?

Of course, you didn't say anything about guns, but to the point, do you think we should pass laws to make their purchase illegal?

Weapons have been around forever too!

Are you sure you're not partaking....  WTF are you talking about?

Murder theft guns and weapons from a mental illness and drug addiction convo...  With stuff like that you could be a candidate for both those social programs.

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

This is semi-true. Defeatist but semi-true. But ya know...the "Just Say No" campaign from Nancy Reagan was effective.

Yeah it was effective at making stoners LAUGH. LMAO

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

We've been social engineering forever. The public can rather easily be swayed. All it takes is determination. 

LMAO.

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Of which you seem to have little.

You EVER met a stoner with "determination"? LMAO

[User]

14 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Cite where I said anything about blowing up cartel members, or for that matter even mentioned cartels.  Are you by chance hallucinating?

You are in a thread talking about the death of a Mexican Cartel member, as well as another, and criticizing this because of supply and demand. No?

15 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Are you sure you're not partaking....  WTF are you talking about?

Murder theft guns and weapons from a mental illness and drug addiction convo...  With stuff like that you could be a candidate for both those social programs.

I am pointing out the flaws in your positions, and you know it, so you play dumb and refuse to respond. 

 

[LinkSoul60]

10 minutes ago, User said:

so you play dumb

Wouldn't try.  You'll kick my *ss in that category. 

Do you have any idea what you say?  How can I have flaws in my position when I said I don't have a position on how to fix mental illness and drug addiction.  Don't be a fool.

[User]

6 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Wouldn't try.  You'll kick my *ss in that category. 

Do you have any idea what you say?  How can I have flaws in my position when I said I don't have a position on how to fix mental illness and drug addiction.  Don't be a fool.

The comments and questions you are running away from were not in response to your inability to take a position on fixing mental illness and drug addiction...

Here they are again:
 

Murder and theft have been around forever... should we make that legal too?

Of course, you didn't say anything about guns, but to the point, do you think we should pass laws to make their purchase illegal?

Weapons have been around forever too!

[John Stone]

Mexican drug cartels supposedly rake in 12 - 15 billion annually 

 

They are the Global, top earning (?) criminal organizations in the Global drug trade. 

 

On display are primarily cocaine, heroin, meth. 

 

The geo-location of Mexico to the US makes it Cartel utopia - perfect location, perfect consumer - American is addicted to drugs. 

 

The profits these organizations generate makes them invulnerable to elimination. 

 

15 Billion - money to bribe ............ any government official, any level....... and if money don't work ...........well, 'silver or lead'. 

 

Do you believe the Mexican government is corrupt? haha  

 

There is no doubt that Trump's direct threats to the Mexican government (Tariffs)  were the squib that touched off these Government raids ....  but when ur talking the type of profit these organizations generate it's like playing whack-a-mole. 

 

Illegal drugs are a political football issue - fodder for political hacks. (war on drugs?)

 

All that said, authorities need to lean into controlling it ............. the most vulnerable are the young. 

 

Oh yeah, drug abuse is not akin to alcohol abuse ........... drugs rule ur sole ....... a user will do anything to obtain the 'fix'.

Edited February 24 by John Stone

[CdnFox]

13 hours ago, Deluge said:

Yes, it's a devastating loss for roboherrera and other cartel sympathizers. 

Of course it is, this threatens to drive zucchini prices through the roof. What the hell does he do then? There's some circumstances under which life isn't worth living you know!

[Nationalist]

8 hours ago, robosmith said:

Yeah it was effective at making stoners LAUGH. LMAO

LMAO.

You EVER met a stoner with "determination"? LMAO

Yes. 

Edited February 24 by Nationalist

[LinkSoul60]

10 hours ago, User said:

The comments and questions you are running away from were not in response to your inability to take a position on fixing mental illness and drug addiction...

Here they are again:
 

Murder and theft have been around forever... should we make that legal too?

Of course, you didn't say anything about guns, but to the point, do you think we should pass laws to make their purchase illegal?

Weapons have been around forever too!

Now I'm running away from your out of left field non-sensical questions....  You're right.... not playing 24 questions that have nothing to do with where this started.  Again, you solve the world's problems and let me know how it goes.

[User]

14 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Now I'm running away from your out of left field non-sensical questions....  You're right.... not playing 24 questions that have nothing to do with where this started.  Again, you solve the world's problems and let me know how it goes.

Yes, you are running away.

Yes, as I’ve pointed out already you have nothing to offer here other than status quo of being fine with cartels operating and people hopelessly addicted living on the streets victimizing people. 

[LinkSoul60]

1 minute ago, User said:

Yes, you are running away.

Yes, as I’ve pointed out already you have nothing to offer here other than status quo of being fine with cartels operating and people hopelessly addicted living on the streets victimizing people. 

What a fool....  You tell what I said when I didn't even use the word cartels and now I'm running away.  Try to stick with the subject at hand next time....