When a Narcissist Starts Losing Power, They Get Destructive

[User]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

You’re right there is no conspiracy. Trump actually did take those documents amd lie about it. And we have the record of the National Archives going  back and forth with Trump’s people quietly trying to get them back long before the case was referred to FBI. Unlike this nonsense. 

Your usual dishonest misdirection. You can't argue about Biden, so you deflect and ignore the point. 

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

But this reminds me of something else because on the Venezuela thread you had claimed that the fact that the military followed Trump’s orders PROVED the attack was justified.

Um, no. 

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

You said that I was suggesting an absurd grand “conspiracy” in the military because if Trump’s orders weren’t justified the military would simply refuse to obey (after also suggesting military have no right to disobey illegal orders, another twist of the pretzel logic). But now here you are suggesting that under Biden the DOJ amd FBI followed his unjustified orders   By your own logic either the fact that the search warrant carried out on Trump was justified because otherwise it’s an absurdly implausible conspiracy. Which is it. 

You kept saying there was no evidence they were drug boats as if the US Military were just out blowing up people enjoying a picnic on their sailboat. I rightly mocked you because it would have to be a grand conspiracy from every level of the chain of command to just have the military out randomly blowing up innocent people just for fun. 

I am not suggesting anything about the Biden DOJ, they did outright abuse the DOJ to target people for political motivations. That is an observable fact. 

Where you seem to be having trouble is not that there wasn't just enough excuse to do it, but that they used that excuse to contort and twist the law anyway they could to do so. 

Which is why I am just fine with Trump doing the same. 

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Like I already pointed out that’s exactly what the fascists say.  

Great circular argument you have going there. 

[Hodad]

59 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Uhm...

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/what-did-obama-know-about-trump-russia-probe-when-did-he-know-it

No...I dont think so.

Your naked link does not support your claim. In fact, it debunks your claim. Crossifre Hurricane began before Obama was briefed. 

Intelligence reports were NOT ignored. What you people keep trying to pass off as a reversal is anything but.
The intelligence reports established that Russia did not manipulate electronic voting equipment. Great. That was never the claim. The claim was that they manipulated US voters through their pro-Trump disinformation campaign on social media. Which has been thoroughly confirmed. 

If you have a more specific accusation, you're welcome to make it. But these vague fictional claims you're dropping sound like someone who doesn't know anything about the subject.

 

[robosmith]

15 hours ago, User said:

I don't give a shit how valid or legitimate anything is, I want Trump to go after any and ever Democrat as much as he can.

And ^this is exactly the kind of worthless posts that earn LUser a spot on my ignore list.

Like with the SIX Dems which Trump FAILED to INDICT, your preferred policy just makes Trump a FOOL.

[User]

16 minutes ago, robosmith said:

And ^this is exactly the kind of worthless posts that earn LUser a spot on my ignore list.

Like with the SIX Dems which Trump FAILED to INDICT, your preferred policy just makes Trump a FOOL.

No, your cowardice goes back to when you were doing your usual daily spam routine and I would respond to every one of your posts calling you out. You ran like a coward. 

Do you think Biden was a fool when his DOJ went after Pro-Life activist Mark Houck and failed to get him convicted?

 

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, Hodad said:

Your naked link does not support your claim. In fact, it debunks your claim. Crossifre Hurricane began before Obama was briefed. 

Intelligence reports were NOT ignored. What you people keep trying to pass off as a reversal is anything but.
The intelligence reports established that Russia did not manipulate electronic voting equipment. Great. That was never the claim. The claim was that they manipulated US voters through their pro-Trump disinformation campaign on social media. Which has been thoroughly confirmed. 

If you have a more specific accusation, you're welcome to make it. But these vague fictional claims you're dropping sound like someone who doesn't know anything about the subject.

 

The Great Mulatto Hopey-Changey, turned out to be the only person who could order the intelligence community to change their assessment. 

That's just a sad fact.

[Hodad]

25 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

The Great Mulatto Hopey-Changey, turned out to be the only person who could order the intelligence community to change their assessment. 

That's just a sad fact.

Again, you are talking about fiction.

The intelligence community did not change their assessment.

They concluded that there was not a significant Russian cyber attack on US voting infrastructure. That conclusion remains unchanged. 

Secondarily, they concluded that Russian intelligence did wage an influence campaign to help Trump win the election. And that too remains unchanged, and has been thoroughly proved. 

Two separate questions. Two unchanged findings. You don't know what you're talking about.  

 

Edited February 13 by Hodad

[Nationalist]

13 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Again, you are talking about fiction.

The intelligence community did not change their assessment.

They concluded that there was not a significant Russian cyber attack on US voting infrastructure. That conclusion remains unchanged. 

Secondarily, they concluded that Russian intelligence did wage an influence campaign to help Trump win the election. And that too remains unchanged, and has been thoroughly proved. 

Two separate questions. Two unchanged findings. You don't know what you're talking about.  

 

The current head of US intelligence thinks otherwise.

https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/can-trump-prosecute-obama-2016-russia-investigation-gabbard-dni-report-explained-13909756.html

But Barry will be protected by that recent SCOTUS ruling about POTUS power. So ol' Hopey-Changey will be unapproachable...legally.

But the public knows now so...

[Hodad]

6 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

The current head of US intelligence thinks otherwise.

https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/can-trump-prosecute-obama-2016-russia-investigation-gabbard-dni-report-explained-13909756.html

But Barry will be protected by that recent SCOTUS ruling about POTUS power. So ol' Hopey-Changey will be unapproachable...legally.

But the public knows now so...

I'm aware of what Gabbard claimed. The problem is that she has nothing to back it up. 

Whether she actually thinks it or not it's a different question.  Trump has surrounded himself with unqualified and compromised loyalists, who will do whatever he asks. The DOJ is bringing cases with no chance of success because Trump ordered it--and they know they have no chance of success. (Lawyers of conscience are quitting left and right rather then bringing bogus cases.) The FCC is targeting networks and stars because Trump ordered it. Gabbard is making unsubstantiated claims because Trump ordered it. 

None of this is normal or healthy. People of conscience loyal to the Constitution and the people of the United States are increasingly rare in Washington. 

[Nationalist]

2 minutes ago, Hodad said:

I'm aware of what Gabbard claimed. The problem is that she has nothing to back it up. 

I hope we get a chance to see. So far, it doesn't look good for Barry and Hillary-Billary.

[Hodad]

Just now, Nationalist said:

I hope we get a chance to see. So far, it doesn't look good for Barry and Hillary-Billary.

If you had read the link you posted above: 

Intelligence reports also consistently stated that Russia’s primary effort was focused on influence operations — shaping American public opinion through disinformation, fake social media accounts, and leaked Democratic emails, rather than changing the actual results.

A Republican-led Senate report also endorsed the assessment that Moscow’s efforts were aimed at damaging Hillary Clinton and benefiting Donald Trump.

Among the Republicans on that committee was Florida Senator Marco Rubio, who now serves as US Secretary of State in the Trump administration.

[Nationalist]

6 minutes ago, Hodad said:

If you had read the link you posted above: 

Intelligence reports also consistently stated that Russia’s primary effort was focused on influence operations — shaping American public opinion through disinformation, fake social media accounts, and leaked Democratic emails, rather than changing the actual results.

A Republican-led Senate report also endorsed the assessment that Moscow’s efforts were aimed at damaging Hillary Clinton and benefiting Donald Trump.

Among the Republicans on that committee was Florida Senator Marco Rubio, who now serves as US Secretary of State in the Trump administration.

Oh I read the link.

Tell me...how do you think the public will remember Obama after this? Hell he cant even get his presidential library finished. Barry's not all that valuable anymore...nor is that pruned up old nag Hillary.

But to watch them both get dragged through the mud like was done to Trump AND Brandon...priceless.

[WestCanMan]

On 2/10/2026 at 6:50 PM, BeaverFever said:

gullible

Hey collusion boy, what's got you triggered now? Are you just feeling embarrassed about how gullible you are again?

Can't you just hug your emotional support goat like a normal cultist? 

[WestCanMan]

45 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Intelligence reports also consistently stated that Russia’s primary effort was focused on influence operations — shaping American public opinion through disinformation, fake social media accounts, and leaked Democratic emails, rather than changing the actual results.

Is that why you hate Russians? Because they're competing with the Dems in the disinformation arena?

I'm not even joking a tiny bit: disinformation, fake social media accounts, and leaks are mainstays for the Dems.

Look at Russian collusion for example...

1. The dems/FBI leaked their own disinformation dossier to a reporter in Australia in order for the stories included within to appear to have been independently corroborated
2. The Dems and FBI sent disinformation to the FISA court and lied to the public tens of thousands of times to create the impression that there was something to that story
3. a large army of fake social media accounts on Twitter were liking and sharing the Dems' disinformation on a minute-by-minute basis, to make it appear as if their disinformation was gaining widespread support
4. The Dems/FBI even leaked the names of Americans that they were lying about at the FISA court to make it seem as though there were members of Trump's team doing things that were inappropriate. The FBI even sent at least one fabricated email as evidence to the FISA court to make it look good, and they were found guilty of a felony for that. 

So, you're essentially saying that the Russian are almost as bad as the Dems? Is that your point? That's a pretty big accusation that will require some evidence, and we both know that evidence and facts are never on your side 

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

Secondarily, they concluded that Russian intelligence did wage an influence campaign

True

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to help Trump win the election.

100% false. You just got caught lying again, Hodad.

The Russians spread disinformation about both sides in order to sow discord. That is what actually happened. It just worked better on you guys than it did on Republicans, as evidenced by the fact that you're still hooked on it. 

They may have spent more money on disinformation about the Dems, but that's because it's harder to get conservatives to regurgitate that disinformation: we're not as susceptible to it.

 

Get it? 

Spend $200 on disinformation about Trump, and Dems with no filter and no qualms about lying will share it and like it all day, and their army of bots will all like it and share it as well. A couple of m0r0nic and unsubstantiated accusations will easily go viral and get millions of views. And you know that's true because you've been caught holding the bag here hundreds of times. "Duh, but I saw it on CNN. It HAS to be true!"

Spend $200 on disinformation about Hillary, and it gets shadow-banned and largely ignored by Republicans. The amount of reaction that the same $200 gets on the internet is negligible.

Hence: you need to spend several times as much money on disinformation about Demis in order to generate a disinformation campaign of the same magnitude.

 

It's kinda like rolling a rock on a steep slope. If you push it from the top of the hill, you get no resistance, and can even start an avalanche with just a slight shove. If you try to roll it up from the bottom, nothing happens. You need to push it all the way up the hill, like Sisyphus. Pushing a similar amount of rocks up the hill just requires more force, in the form of dollars. 

 

Do you see me still quoting things like "The vaccines are safe, and if you take them you don't have to worry about getting sick from covid, and you don't have to worry about giving it to granny"?

You'd have to give me retire-wealthy type money to get me to repeat that to just a few people. I'd never say that in public, or to anyone I loved. No doubt you told everyone in your family that, even after you knew about myocarditis and vaxed deaths. 

Edited February 14 by WestCanMan

[Hodad]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Oh I read the link.

Tell me...how do you think the public will remember Obama after this? Hell he cant even get his presidential library finished. Barry's not all that valuable anymore...nor is that pruned up old nag Hillary.

But to watch them both get dragged through the mud like was done to Trump AND Brandon...priceless.

Ah, there were go. You don't care at all whether the accusations are true, as long as they "trash" Obama's legacy.

Sorry to disappoint you, but nobody gives a single shit about this nonsense. Anybody who is informed can see right through it, and the people who hated that a Black man was president still hate him. This nonsense isn't even a footnote in history. The Trump administration has no credibility whatsoever. 

[Nationalist]

3 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Ah, there were go. You don't care at all whether the accusations are true, as long as they "trash" Obama's legacy.

Sorry to disappoint you, but nobody gives a single shit about this nonsense. Anybody who is informed can see right through it, and the people who hated that a Black man was president still hate him. This nonsense isn't even a footnote in history. The Trump administration has no credibility whatsoever. 

Lol..."AHHH! IT NEVER HAPPENED! AHHH!"

It happened.

[Hodad]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Is that why you hate Russians? Because they're competing with the Dems in the disinformation arena?

I'm not even joking a tiny bit: disinformation, fake social media accounts, and leaks are mainstays for the Dems.

Look at Russian collusion for example...

1. The dems/FBI leaked their own disinformation dossier to a reporter in Australia in order for the stories included within to appear to have been independently corroborated
2. The Dems and FBI sent disinformation to the FISA court and lied to the public tens of thousands of times to create the impression that there was something to that story
3. a large army of fake social media accounts on Twitter were liking and sharing the Dems' disinformation on a minute-by-minute basis, to make it appear as if their disinformation was gaining widespread support
4. The Dems/FBI even leaked the names of Americans that they were lying about at the FISA court to make it seem as though there were members of Trump's team doing things that were inappropriate. The FBI even sent at least one fabricated email as evidence to the FISA court to make it look good, and they were found guilty of a felony for that. 

So, you're essentially saying that the Russian are almost as bad as the Dems? Is that your point? That's a pretty big accusation that will require some evidence, and we both know that evidence and facts are never on your side 

Can you please stick to one lie at a time. You conspiracy nutballs build your whole phony reality and actually believe this shit that is pure gibberish to the sane world outside your bubble. 

How about point one? The FBI had nothing to do with the Steele dossier. Their investigation started before they ever got ahold of the dossier and their warrants did not depend on the dossier. 

They started crossfire hurricane because Trump's team WAS meeting with Russian intelligence. And indeed, it was ultimately revealed that they were feeding Russian intelligence campaign information. Even the goddamn Durham report acknowledged that investigation was warranted. 

[Hodad]

27 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Lol..."AHHH! IT NEVER HAPPENED! AHHH!"

It happened.

You and the other crazies can howl at the moon all you like. The intelligence conclusions were not reversed, so obviously there's no evidence that Obama did the thing that didn't happen. 

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

True

100% false. You just got caught lying again, Hodad.

The Russians spread disinformation about both sides in order to sow discord. That is what actually happened. It just worked better on you guys than it did on Republicans, as evidenced by the fact that you're still hooked on it. 

They may have spent more money on disinformation about the Dems, but that's because it's harder to get conservatives to regurgitate that disinformation: we're not as susceptible to it.

 

Get it? 

Spend $200 on disinformation about Trump, and Dems with no filter and no qualms about lying will share it and like it all day, and their army of bots will all like it and share it as well. A couple of m0r0nic and unsubstantiated accusations will easily go viral and get millions of views. And you know that's true because you've been caught holding the bag here hundreds of times. "Duh, but I saw it on CNN. It HAS to be true!"

Spend $200 on disinformation about Hillary, and it gets shadow-banned and largely ignored by Republicans. The amount of reaction that the same $200 gets on the internet is negligible.

Hence: you need to spend several times as much money on disinformation about Demis in order to generate a disinformation campaign of the same magnitude.

 

It's kinda like rolling a rock on a steep slope. If you push it from the top of the hill, you get no resistance, and can even start an avalanche with just a slight shove. If you try to roll it up from the bottom, nothing happens. You need to push it all the way up the hill, like Sisyphus. Pushing a similar amount of rocks up the hill just requires more force, in the form of dollars. 

 

Do you see me still quoting things like "The vaccines are safe, and if you take them you don't have to worry about getting sick from covid, and you don't have to worry about giving it to granny"?

You'd have to give me retire-wealthy type money to get me to repeat that to just a few people. I'd never say that in public, or to anyone I loved. No doubt you told everyone in your family that, even after you knew about myocarditis and vaxed deaths. 

Oh, good. The wrongbot has reverted to his default programming: COVID misinformation. 

It's a thoroughly established fact that the Russians instead to help Trump win. That was the intelligence consensus. That was the conclusion of the Mueller Report. That was the conclusion of the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee report. That was the conclusion of subsequent intelligence reviews.

Literally every analysis of the interference came to the conclusion that Putin directed a pro-Trump interference campaign. Putin himself said that he wanted Trump to win. 

Everyone in the world knows this except you, meatless deep in your conspiracy bubble, trying to "both sides" it. 

Yes, they did sow some general discord, but the mission was clear: smear Clinton and get Trump elected.

 

Hard to get conservatives to regurgitate disinformation? That's peak irony. That's literally all you do. And it's not the least but difficult. Just leave a blank space and you'll inevitably fill it with the same debunked nonsense you copy and paste in every thread 

Edited February 14 by Hodad

[Nationalist]

54 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You and the other crazies can howl at the moon all you like. The intelligence conclusions were not reversed, so obviously there's no evidence that Obama did the thing that didn't happen. 

Im glad you're so sure. You Libbies are always sure...till time and a steady uncovering of the truth proves you wrong.

Enjoy the show.

[robosmith]

8 hours ago, Nationalist said:

The Great Mulatto Hopey-Changey, turned out to be the only person who could order the intelligence community to change their assessment. 

That's just a sad fact.

You writing ^this doesn't make it any kind of "fact," because you have NO CREDIBILITY.

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Lol..."AHHH! IT NEVER HAPPENED! AHHH!"

It happened.

^TWO opposing OPINIONS always cancel each other lDIOT.

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, Hodad said:

Again, you are talking about fiction.

The intelligence community did not change their assessment.

They concluded that there was not a significant Russian cyber attack on US voting infrastructure. That conclusion remains unchanged. 

Secondarily, they concluded that Russian intelligence did wage an influence campaign to help Trump win the election. And that too remains unchanged, and has been thoroughly proved. 

Two separate questions. Two unchanged findings. You don't know what you're talking about.  

 

Not only this, but Putin ADMITTED ON NATIONAL TV he wanted Trump to win.

 

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

The current head of US intelligence thinks otherwise.

https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/can-trump-prosecute-obama-2016-russia-investigation-gabbard-dni-report-explained-13909756.html

But Barry will be protected by that recent SCOTUS ruling about POTUS power. So ol' Hopey-Changey will be unapproachable...legally.

But the public knows now so...

Unfortunate that you've not yet figured out that Gabbard will say anything Trump demands of her.