Canada is ready to fall

[paxamericana]

Calendar 2025 marks the first time in Canadian history of negative population growth (more deaths than birth plus immigration). The economy is stagnant and the unwillingness to surrender to American economic might also means that the vast majority of the North American re-industrial expansion goes to Mexico and the Southern US border. We’re at an inflection point. Canada can choose to remain arrogantly isolated from American warmth while Canada hollows out economically and politically piece by piece or it can be America’s official 51st. Asking the Albertan to pay for Canada’s retirement is a fast way of forcing that province into succession. 

Edited January 9 by paxamericana

[John Stone]

Canada - the 'dead man' of North America?

Might harken back to the Ottoman empire - U.N. mandates?

Def need to redraw the provincial borders,  jerrymandering would need to be seriously considered.  

Internationally it would be a huge strategic move - China / Russia would demand a piece of the pie. 

 

 

Edited January 9 by John Stone

[Queenmandy85]

The US Administrationhasn't really thought out the ramifications of Canada becoming the 51st state.

First, it would require amending the Canadian constitution.

What happens to the provinces?

What happens to the executive branch of the Canadian Federal government?

"the ownership of property is a protected right in the U.S., fundamental to American law, primarily secured by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments, which prevent the government from taking private property for public use without paying "just compensation" (eminent domain) and require due process for deprivation of property." Where is the US government going to find the money to purchase the land and resources in Canada?

How does the American administration plan to protect Canadian colaborators? It is estimated that the US would have to permanently put over a million troops and law enforcement  to occupy Canada.

How soon would citizens of the state of Canada be allowed to vote in US federal elections? Would a person born in Canada be considered elligible to run for POTUS?

The US will have to assume Canada's debts. Can they afford that?

There are a lot more questions that have not been answered.

[Zeitgeist]

10 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The US Administrationhasn't really thought out the ramifications of Canada becoming the 51st state.

First, it would require amending the Canadian constitution.

What happens to the provinces?

What happens to the executive branch of the Canadian Federal government?

"the ownership of property is a protected right in the U.S., fundamental to American law, primarily secured by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments, which prevent the government from taking private property for public use without paying "just compensation" (eminent domain) and require due process for deprivation of property." Where is the US government going to find the money to purchase the land and resources in Canada?

How does the American administration plan to protect Canadian colaborators? It is estimated that the US would have to permanently put over a million troops and law enforcement  to occupy Canada.

How soon would citizens of the state of Canada be allowed to vote in US federal elections? Would a person born in Canada be considered elligible to run for POTUS?

The US will have to assume Canada's debts. Can they afford that?

There are a lot more questions that have not been answered.

The fastest and easiest way to integration is economic: free movement of goods, services and people.  Leave the political jurisdictions as they are.  Part of me would welcome US takeover to see all of my fantasies about Quebec and the special interest groups getting a comeuppance, but not really.  I quite like the cultural features of Canada and want to see them protected, including the Indigenous stuff, just not at inordinate expense.  That’s Canada’s main problem right now: too many costly programs and commitments and entrenched special interests.  The progressives are running the country into the ground, cutting the giving tree down to the stump when we can least afford it.

The US is taking advantage of our current weakness and forcing us to be honest about exactly how much we’re willing to give up for our Canadian sovereignty.

Of course it would be foolish, unnecessary, and self-defeating for the U.S. to coerce Canada into statehood. They can make us get real about exactly what we mean when we talk about Canada as distinct from the U.S.   How much of that distinction is superficial and symbolic stuff that could easily be retained as a state within the U.S.?  My guess is most of it.

We should be honest with ourselves about how much we’re willing to pay for all this duplication in the name of separate country.  It might be worth quite a bit to most Canadians.  I think it is, and I think the U.S. would suffer tremendously both in international relations and economically by ignoring that and being aggressive with an ally.

Canada is a complex country culturally and politically. Any attempts to dismantle and reorganize the provinces and territories would be messy and costly. Ottawa keeps the group together, but it needs to scale back expenses and jurisdictional overreach.

Edited January 12 by Zeitgeist

[John Stone]

........... arguably if Pierre hadn't repatriated the Constitution in 1982 the U.S. would be discussing  Canada's future with Great Britain.  

[paxamericana]

2 hours ago, John Stone said:

Great Britain.  

They’re coming along. Like Canadians they haven’t accepted the Brave new reality. They can become subservient to the US lead Co Prosperity sphere or they can fade away into that good night. Canada is facing similar headwind. Though Canada have the added benefit of being absorbed by the US directly. 

Edited January 12 by paxamericana

[John Stone]

There is one undeniable fact and that is the U.S. would not and could not have achieved what it has today by being isolationist. The two  cataclysmic wars of the 20th century provided the U.S. with ever increasing global clout. 

Although Trump ran on an isolationist platform I believe he is becoming aware that a country cannot become or remain incumbent as a superpower while at the same time ignoring that policy that made  the U.S. 'great'  in the first place. 

Arguably the biggest concern with Trump is his age - he is an old man, like Biden is an old man (is Joe still dead?). Old men dictating the course of the next generation is a recipe for disaster.

Goes double for SCOTUS  - they can die in the saddle?  

[John Stone]

1 hour ago, paxamericana said:

They’re coming along. Like Canadians they haven’t accepted the Brave new reality. They can become subservient to the US lead Co Prosperity sphere or they can fade away into that good night. Canada is facing similar headwind. Though Canada have the added benefit of being absorbed by the US directly. 

Annex Great Britain? 

hmmmmm........... maybe better to get the kids off the street first? 

[paxamericana]

2 hours ago, John Stone said:

Annex Great Britain? 

hmmmmm........... maybe better to get the kids off the street first? 

Ther five eyes are English speaking countries . All of whom share enough cultural similarities as to be able to absorb each other’s populations and share mutual interest in defense. 
 

Annexation is strictly for the Greenlander and Canadians. There is no need to annex the others. Think of it as a friends and family plan. The five eyes are part of the inner circle of what I would call family. And the friends are Japan and South Korea non deadbeat euros etc. 

Edited January 12 by paxamericana

[John Stone]

 

[herbie]

 

[paxamericana]

Mmhmmm. The Chinese isn’t interested in Canada you know that right? Canada and Mexico from the Chinese perspective was always a back door to get into America via NAFTA. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 1/9/2026 at 9:52 AM, paxamericana said:

Calendar 2025 marks the first time in Canadian history of negative population growth (more deaths than birth plus immigration). The economy is stagnant and the unwillingness to surrender to American economic might also means that the vast majority of the North American re-industrial expansion goes to Mexico and the Southern US border. We’re at an inflection point. Canada can choose to remain arrogantly isolated from American warmth while Canada hollows out economically and politically piece by piece or it can be America’s official 51st. Asking the Albertan to pay for Canada’s retirement is a fast way of forcing that province into succession. 

Succession? Is there a new season coming? 

[John Stone]

Birth replacement is a threat to Western western countries.

To sustain a population without immigration  requires a 3-4 birth rate. 

............ it's a hard job but I'm  sure men are up to the task ........... get after it. 

[August1991]

On 1/9/2026 at 8:22 AM, paxamericana said:

Calendar 2025 marks the first time in Canadian history of negative population growth (more deaths than birth plus immigration). The economy is stagnant and the unwillingness to surrender to American economic might also means that the vast majority of the North American re-industrial expansion goes to Mexico and the Southern US border. We’re at an inflection point. Canada can choose to remain arrogantly isolated from American warmth while Canada hollows out economically and politically piece by piece or it can be America’s official 51st. Asking the Albertan to pay for Canada’s retirement is a fast way of forcing that province into succession. 

Canada?

For centuries, people on the island of Newfoundland have lived.