Threat to National Security?

[User]

58 minutes ago, herbie said:

There are only two countries of significance that require regime change.
Both with expansion on their agenda.

How is that naval blockade treating you up there? You seem to be doing OK. 

[John Stone]

15 hours ago, herbie said:

There are only two countries of significance that require regime change.
Both with expansion on their agenda.

..............I argue there are (3) that could have global repercussions. 

 

[herbie]

You could. But the other country you're thinking of would derive no real economic benefit over the status quo with taking what they say is theirs. They would by looking northward to expand....

[User]

8 hours ago, herbie said:

You could. But the other country you're thinking of would derive no real economic benefit over the status quo with taking what they say is theirs. They would by looking northward to expand....

Maybe we can cut off your internet... 

[John Stone]

17 hours ago, herbie said:

You could. But the other country you're thinking of would derive no real economic benefit over the status quo with taking what they say is theirs. They would by looking northward to expand....

................ how Quebec would be dealt with intrigues me.

 

 

[herbie]

Worth posting in two threads

 

[paxamericana]

3 hours ago, herbie said:

Worth posting in two threads

 

Enjoy being the 51st, I insist.

Edited January 5 by paxamericana

[User]

11 hours ago, herbie said:

Worth posting in two threads

How is this guy still doing anything when Trump controls the media?

[TreeBeard]

On 12/26/2025 at 1:16 PM, ironstone said:

As I have stated previously, I can't blame Trump for wanting to get Greenland as it makes sense.

Shouldn’t that be up to the people in Greenland?   

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

Shouldn’t that be up to the people in Greenland?   

Yes, and it was settled by Denmark, an ally of the U.S. that was part of its Coalition of the Willing in Iraq.  If the U.S. invaded or coerced democratic ally Greenland into submission, a green light of invasion will be signalled to all great powers that the former leader of the free world thinks it’s okay to invade countries and violate their sovereignty against international law.  The collapse in moral leadership also provides opportunities for powers such as China to lead internationally (if they don’t invade places like Taiwan).  NATO would fall apart and all of its former members would become more vulnerable.

The move is taking us back to the imperial mercantile might is right days of yesteryear. This is what happens when people forget the lessons of history.  

Edited January 8 by Zeitgeist

[paxamericana]

15 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The move is taking us back to the imperial mercantile might is right days of yesteryear. This is what happens when people forget the lessons of history.  

Canadians and European forget the lessons of history. Americans never did. We’ve been paying for it to keep the world from falling apart. You all forgot but not America. Enjoy the last few days of your sunshine , the darkness is coming back. This is nothing compared to the war, famine and pestilence that will follow. Should of paid your defense bill deadbeat.

minor edit- Canadians can get to be 51st. But the European- they’re absolutely screwed . Africa and China even more so.

Edited January 8 by paxamericana

[Zeitgeist]

36 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Canadians and European forget the lessons of history. Americans never did. We’ve been paying for it to keep the world from falling apart. You all forgot but not America. Enjoy the last few days of your sunshine , the darkness is coming back. This is nothing compared to the war, famine and pestilence that will follow. Should of paid your defense bill deadbeat.

minor edit- Canadians can get to be 51st. But the European- they’re absolutely screwed . Africa and China even more so.

What an inspiring vision of the future.  The Brits at least made selfless sacrifices declaring war on their own against Hitler and they paid a lot of debt for the privilege. Canada supported that cause early on and supported its ally in WW1 from the start with little to gain from a war in another continent.  The U.S. joined WW2 when they were attacked.  Canada gave $22 billion to Ukraine.  The U.S. is selling arms to Ukraine.  See any patterns?  Sure, I’m grateful that the Yanks joined WW2, even if it only happened after they were attacked.  The U.S. did play an important role in ending the Cold War but it also fueled that war for decades.  It’s a mixed record.

We’re all watching this old worldy performance from the U.S. leadership the way I remember watching JR cause shit on Dallas.  It’s amusing and vaguely tragic, at times heroic, rude, foolish, and irresponsible, but the guy’s always doing something.  Maduro had to go, but the oil seizure, killing of around 100 Venezuelans, the threats to Greenland, talk of Columbia.  It’s a three ring circus for which Trump will want a Nobel Peace Prize.  WTF.  Let’s just hope China doesn’t invade Taiwan and Russia doesn’t abduct the German Chancellor.

Just remember that there are consequences for all of this, the tariffs, the threats, and so on.  We got the memo about upping NATO contributions and how hard done by America is for being able to buy a lot of foreign stuff. Now the cost of living and unemployment in the U.S. aren’t looking so rosy. Canada is managing, against expectations. Just hope that at the end of all this there are still foreign tourists visiting the US, that not all Bourbon companies have closed shop, and that none of the big 3 US automakers have declared bankruptcy.  

Edited January 8 by Zeitgeist

[paxamericana]

6 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

What an inspiring vision of the future.

You’re welcome, the cataclysm is coming, best you all prepare. My projections is at 3 billion people who will die from famine alone. With maritime shipping restricted, there won’t be enough food input to feed the large population of today’s current  population centers. No one is going to fly grain or fertilizer to Africa okay. It’s too bulky and expensive to do so. 

6 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

The U.S. joined WW2 when they were attacked.

That’s all we did huh? “joined” 

6 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

The U.S. did play an important role in ending the Cold War but it also fueled that war for decades.  It’s a mixed record.

You mean the 80 plus years of relative peace in the nuclear age brought about by paxamericana? Okay.

6 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

killing of around 100 Venezuelans

You forgot to call them “fisherman”

6 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

the threats to Greenland

This was the American impetus since the 1800. Nothings changed. What I’m suggesting to you is that North America consolidate. It really will be the last haven for humanity, Noah’s ark.
 

6 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Just hope that at the end of all this there are still foreign tourists visiting the US, that not all Bourbon companies have closed shop, and that none of the big 3 US automakers have declared bankruptcy.  

This has nothing to do with the tariff or your perception of America. It’s strictly demographic. The fewer 20 year olds that are alive do not drink like the previous generation. I support this. Alcohol is a poison. Why would you want to voluntarily pay for drinking that. 
 

6 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Canada is managing, against expectations.

Yeah yeah, you know you’re going to be a state sooner or later. At least Canada is lucky enough to have that option. The rest of the world is absolutely screwed without American hegemony. It’s a dog eat dog world, the world of our past.

 

 

Edited January 8 by paxamericana

[Zeitgeist]

9 hours ago, paxamericana said:

You’re welcome, the cataclysm is coming, best you all prepare. My projections is at 3 billion people who will die from famine alone. With maritime shipping restricted, there won’t be enough food input to feed the large population of today’s current  population centers. No one is going to fly grain or fertilizer to Africa okay. It’s too bulky and expensive to do so. 

That’s all we did huh? “joined” 

You mean the 80 plus years of relative peace in the nuclear age brought about by paxamericana? Okay.

You forgot to call them “fisherman”

This was the American impetus since the 1800. Nothings changed. What I’m suggesting to you is that North America consolidate. It really will be the last haven for humanity, Noah’s ark.
 

This has nothing to do with the tariff or your perception of America. It’s strictly demographic. The fewer 20 year olds that are alive do not drink like the previous generation. I support this. Alcohol is a poison. Why would you want to voluntarily pay for drinking that. 
 

Yeah yeah, you know you’re going to be a state sooner or later. At least Canada is lucky enough to have that option. The rest of the world is absolutely screwed without American hegemony. It’s a dog eat dog world, the world of our past.

 

 

There’s no reason to believe, with the current technology and education levels around the world, that we can’t successfully feed ourselves, have better health outcomes than ever, and generally thrive on a larger scale than ever before.  Read Steven Pinker on this topic.  The reality is that not even 19th century monarchs enjoyed the health and opportunities available to the majority of people alive today.  The headwinds are real: demographic avalanche as the Boomers die off coupled with low birth rates in developed countries, potential challenges related to climate change and rising sea levels, displacement of workers due to automation and AI, economic polarization, and of course the conflicts of countries and tribes, especially if the rules based order fails apart.

Do you really want to live in a world where a select group of wealthy countries/people have it all and everyone else suffers — until of course the barbarians break through the walls Hamas style?

All of these problems are solvable, but there will have to be safely nets and some level of global collaboration, which isn’t the same thing as some kind of globalist totalitarian surveillance state, which is also something we have to resist.

Be careful what you wish for with more dominance from “great powers”.  The U.S. could take a page from Canada in some areas: social harmony, safety, food quality, and some aspects of our healthcare.  Seeing other approaches is useful.  Europe can also be instructive in terms of quality of life.  The U.S. has many strengths but also some real societal problems.

Trying to make a successful sovereign foreign country that’s geographically larger than your own a subnational jurisdiction is absurd.  Canada’s range of cultures is wide. You can’t come along and say, scrap all your provincial and territorial legislatures and follow the federal government in Washington and expect Canadians to go along with that. They don’t want to, and moreover, they don’t have to, tariffs or otherwise.  If the U.S. wants to try to occupy Canada militarily against the wishes of the citizens of a healthy, educated democracy, good luck with that.  A million American-Canadian dual citizens as well as millions of Americans in the U.S. might have a problem with that.

You catch more flies with honey.  Trump’s 51st state economic coercion rhetoric has done serious damage to US-Canadian relations that no economic and political policy can easily undo.  People will spend their money and travel as they see fit, and if the U.S. wants to become an undemocratic kleptocracy, the democracies will work together and move on, restoring and creating new alliances.  Believe it or not, intelligent people exist outside the U.S. who can create military stuff, make and trade stuff, and create prosperous societies.

Edited January 8 by Zeitgeist

[herbie]

OMG the Yankee braggart actually thinks the President can say who can trade with whom and under what terms. Maritime restrictions my ass, or were you hoping to built a fleet of Uboats and try to pull off a repeat of the Nazi blockade of Britain? Starve them into submission?

A great follower of the Great Arsehole belief of Hegseth that they have the 'right to' because no one can stop them. 

Pax is just a bloody troll, nothing more.

[paxamericana]

5 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

 Believe it or not, intelligent people exist outside the U.S. who can create military stuff, make and trade stuff, and create prosperous societies.

Untill their envious neighbors comes along and decides to bring them down a few notches. As is the trend with history. Not so with America. We have not neighbors, well that is to say we have no neighbors worthy of the term.

4 hours ago, herbie said:

Pax is just a bloody troll, nothing more.

Canada is a mental illness not a country. If the facts bother you then that's on you. Love thy neighbor doesn't mean tolerating your farce, it means telling you the truth. 

 

5 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

All of these problems are solvable, but there will have to be safely nets and some level of global collaboration, which isn’t the same thing as some kind of globalist totalitarian surveillance state, which is also something we have to resist

Yeah you mean the 80 years that we American subsidized while you all bask in our sunlight? Competition is the natural state of being, cooperation requires the right incentive that is mutually beneficial. You say we should all believe in the greater good even if we don't see it's fruit infront of us? You know what that's called, it's called faith. So there you have it, the viable solution to world peace is that everyone adopt the values of the bible. But we both know that's not happening in our lifetime. Not to say that we shouldn't try but we need to be realistic, maybe this time it'll be slightly better than the 19th century but that's hope not reality.

Edited January 9 by paxamericana

[paxamericana]

6 hours ago, herbie said:

OMG the Yankee braggart actually thinks the President can say who can trade with whom and under what terms.

America doesn’t brag. We just are. We took Russia’s oil right in front of their scary submarine and navy vessels. Something impotent Canada and Euro deadbeat know nothing about. You all talk big but you don’t even have the means to back it up. Look who is bragging. You know why the Russian sat there twirling their thumb? Because they would have been sunk the moment the tried anything else. We have hard power and willing to use it.

Greatest presidential president! 
https://youtube.com/shorts/hzQyqBP3aEA?si=_Sbqlp6wvjXPG_x4

Edited January 9 by paxamericana

[Zeitgeist]

4 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Untill their envious neighbors comes along and decides to bring them down a few notches. As is the trend with history. Not so with America. We have not neighbors, well that is to say we have no neighbors worthy of the term.

Canada is a mental illness not a country. If the facts bother you then that's on you. Love thy neighbor doesn't mean tolerating your farce, it means telling you the truth. 

 

Yeah you mean the 80 years that we American subsidized while you all bask in our sunlight? Competition is the natural state of being, cooperation requires the right incentive that is mutually beneficial. You say we should all believe in the greater good even if we don't see its fruit infront of us? You know what that's called, it's called faith. So there you have it, the viable solution to world peace is that everyone adopt the values of the bible. But we both know that's not happening in our lifetime. Not to say that we shouldn't try but we need to be realistic, maybe this time it'll be slightly better than the 19th century but that's hope not reality.

You’re correct that faith in Biblical values should guide our decisions, but you seem to have an inflated idea of the U.S.   That’s exactly what the rest of the world dislikes about the U.S.  Some U.S. leaders have plenty to criticize about other countries but don’t see their own flaws, of which there are many.  Canada has plenty of problems too, but it’s the lack of modesty and sensitivity that leads to international monikers like “ugly Americans”.   Obviously people should be taken on an individual basis rather than judged by nationality, but impressions and tendencies accumulate over time and people make their judgements and act on them.  Canada has made plenty of dubious impressions too, especially late in the Trudeau years, so it’s going to take some work to restore our confidence.

Edited January 9 by Zeitgeist

[SpankyMcFarland]

Countries should try and protect themselves from Trump and his ilk in the US as much as possible. 
 

Quote

UK bank bosses will hold their first meeting to establish a national alternative to Visa and Mastercard, amid growing fears over Donald Trump’s ability to turn off US-owned payment systems.

The meeting, chaired by Barclays’ UK chief executive, Vim Maru, will take place this Thursday and bring together a group of City funders that will front the costs of a new payments company to keep the UK economy running if problems were to occur.

The City-funded, but government-backed, initiative has been under discussion for years. However, Trump’s recent threats against Nato allies over Greenland have amplified concerns that an over-reliance on US companies could put UK payments – and the wider economy – at risk.

About 95% of UK card transactions are made using payment systems owned by Mastercard and Visa, according to a 2025 report by the UK’s Payment Systems Regulator. That dominance has become far more relevant as cash use across the country continues to decline.

“If Mastercard and Visa were turned off, it would send us back to the 1950s,” before cards dominated the UK economy, and businesses wholly relied on cash, one executive familiar with the project told the Guardian. “Of course, we need a sovereign payments system.”

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2026/feb/16/uk-bank-bosses-plan-visa-mastercard-alternative

 

[paxamericana]

On 1/8/2026 at 1:57 PM, herbie said:

OMG the Yankee braggart

If Canada loses in hockey to America this Olympic season, you here forth renounce all claims of Canadian citizenship and apply for asylum as the 51st. 

[User]

On 2/16/2026 at 2:54 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

Countries should try and protect themselves from Trump and his ilk in the US as much as possible. 

Its comcical that you guys criticize and condemn Trump for an America first mentality while you cheer on doing the same for yourselves. 

Even now, your attitude is more about spiting Trump...

 

Edited February 22 by User

[herbie]

We've never seen such blatant overt interference with our sovereignty as we have in the last year from the USA. Like how we should be defending their border for them to how we sell milk to ourselves and how selling lumber to the highest US bidders is 'unfair trade' to how letting us buy Chinese cars threatens them. 

I laugh at the latter one. Warning how Chinese cras might spy on us as they post from their Windows 11 laptops.

[herbie]

 

[paxamericana]

On 2/22/2026 at 2:47 PM, herbie said:

our sovereignty

What sovereignty!???? You're a unincorporated territory of the United States.

[User]

On 2/22/2026 at 12:47 PM, herbie said:

We've never seen such blatant overt interference with our sovereignty as we have in the last year from the USA. Like how we should be defending their border for them to how we sell milk to ourselves and how selling lumber to the highest US bidders is 'unfair trade' to how letting us buy Chinese cars threatens them. 

I laugh at the latter one. Warning how Chinese cras might spy on us as they post from their Windows 11 laptops.

Dear Lord, and how much time do you spend on this forum crying about American policy you want to change? LOL