Why medical assistance in dying (MAID) or euthanasia is wrong.

[TreeBeard]

On 12/23/2025 at 4:04 PM, Michael Hardner said:

You used to get a warning for regurgitation on here...

I report the spam, but nothing is done about it. 

[TreeBeard]

16 minutes ago, User said:

Life is so miserable up in Canada that it sure does seem like you are forcing people in... 

 

Comparative Suicide Rates (Per 100,000)

• United States: ~14.5 (2023 data) or 14.0 (2022 data).
• Canada: ~9.5 (2023 data) or 11.1 (recent average). 

 

 

[User]

Just now, TreeBeard said:

 

 

Comparative Suicide Rates (Per 100,000)

• United States: ~14.5 (2023 data) or 14.0 (2022 data).
• Canada: ~9.5 (2023 data) or 11.1 (recent average). 

 

 

The difference is that we are not helping people down here do it... 

Also, does that rate take into account the MAID program? I don't think so. 

5 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

I report the spam, but nothing is done about it. 

I am not sure anyone is actively running this place anymore. We were supposed to get an upgrade a year ago to restore the search feature and never heard anything since. 

[TreeBeard]

3 minutes ago, User said:

The difference is that we are not helping people down here do it... 

Also, does that rate take into account the MAID program? I don't think so. 

We let people off themselves anytime they want and we STILL have less people killing themselves than the USofA. 
 

You guys don’t have MAID cuz most of you would opt for it!   
 

Pretend like the statistics aren’t worse for America all you’d like.  You’re killing yourselves at a much higher rate.   Merry Xmas. 🎅    Hide the guns over the holidays. 

Edited December 25, 2025 by TreeBeard

[John Stone]

18 hours ago, blackbird said:

You make that choice entirely on your own.  According to the Bible the present and eternal consequences of rejecting God for you are total disaster unless you change.

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In the Bible, the consequences of rejecting God are repeatedly emphasized. Scripture provides a sobering view of what happens when people turn away from their Creator. The Bible articulates both the present and eternal consequences of rejecting God, from spiritual emptiness to eternity in hell.

A present consequence of rejecting God is spiritual emptiness. In the book of Ecclesiastes, Solomon describes the “vanity” or emptiness of a life without God: "2  Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity."  Ecc 1:2 KJV.  Solomon’s repeated use of the word vanity captures the meaninglessness of a life devoid of God’s presence.

When sinners reject God, moral decline ensues. Romans 1:28–32 paints a grim picture of that decline. “Since they did not see fit to acknowledge God,” Paul writes, “28  And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;"  Romans 1:28 KJV.   Paul goes on to list various sins that come from sinners rejecting God, such as envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice. This depravity leads to a breakdown in human relationships and society.

To reject God also means that sinners forfeit His love, wisdom, and guidance. In John 15:5, Jesus communicates the importance of “abiding” in Him: “5  I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing."  John 15:5 KJV. When sinners are disconnected from Jesus, they have no choice but to navigate life on their own, leading to feelings of despair and aimlessness.

The prophet Isaiah also talks about the consequences of rejecting God. He says, “1  Behold, the LORD’S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: 2  But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear."  Isaiah 59:1,2 KJV.  The separation that Isaiah speaks of has eternal implications for those who continue to reject God.

The Bible is unequivocal about the eternal consequences of rejecting God. In the New Testament, Jesus frequently speaks about the final judgment and the eternal fate of those who reject Him. For example, in Matthew 25:41, Jesus describes the fate of the unrighteous:  "41  Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:" Matthew 25:41 KJV.  Hell is not a fictitious place; it is the location reserved for those who reject God’s promise of eternal life in Christ.

The book of Revelation further elaborates on the eternal consequences of rejecting God. Revelation 20:15 states, “15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."  Revelation 20:15 KJV. 
This graphic image is a stern warning for those who reject God.

Despite the present and eternal consequences of rejecting God, there is hope of eternal life in Christ. God desires for everyone to repent and come to Christ for salvation: “9  The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. " 2 Peter 3:9 KJV.  God is patient and willing to forgive anyone who turns from his rejection of Christ and comes to Him in faith.

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What are the consequences of rejecting God? | GotQuestions.org

 

 

Freedom of faith (religion) is believed to be by some to be a fundamental human right that guarantees individuals the liberty to practice (express) and follow a belief of their choice without fear, coercion or persecution. 

Many overlook the fact that this 'right' was obtained with the sword, not the plow.

I respect a martyr but give me the sword, eh? 

Be grateful for your 'right' ......... and for those that defend it.

In this World, today, heralding 'freedom of religion' will get you, your family, your community,  your country cancelled   in the most obscene manner.......... course they're doing it with 'their' gods blessing

 

 

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, John Stone said:

Freedom of faith (religion) is believed to be by some to be a fundamental human right that guarantees individuals the liberty to practice (express) and follow a belief of their choice without fear, coercion or persecution. 

Many overlook the fact that this 'right' was obtained with the sword, not the plow.

I respect a martyr but give me the sword, eh? 

Be grateful for your 'right' ......... and for those that defend it.

In this World, today, heralding 'freedom of religion' will get you, your family, your community,  your country cancelled   in the most obscene manner.......... course they're doing it with 'their' gods blessing

 

 

Here's a surprise.  I've seen freedom of speech and belief on a certain issue even cancelled in modern mainline churches.  If one doesn't tow the line on a certain question or belief, or takes a different view that he thinks is biblical, one can be discriminated against, made unwelcome or told to go somewhere else.  Many in authority misuse their position to try to force others to their line of thinking in areas that they should not.  They have become Nicolaitanes, Jesus condemned the beliefs or practices of the Nicolaitanes in Revelation Chap. 2.  That is one thing Jesus said he hates.   The word Nicolaitane comes from the words nico meaning to conquer and laitane meaning the laity.  Conquer the laity.  They think they are infallible and have all the answers and mix faith with ideas from the world.  Sincerity does not equate to truth all the time.

Edited December 25, 2025 by blackbird

[blackbird]

15 hours ago, herbie said:

No one forces you into MAID the decision is yours.
Unfortunate4 the decision may be made on the grounds of financial ability, medical unavailability or poor decision making. Those causes should be eliminated.

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All those kind of claims that life is meaningless, death is freedom, despair is wisdom  obviously comes from the Prince of Darkness.  The idea of MAID or euthanasia comes from the Prince of Darkness,  i.e.  Satan and his demons.  It is similar to the Holocaust;  premature death is the end result.

[John Stone]

40 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Here's a surprise.  I've seen freedom of speech and belief on a certain issue even cancelled in modern mainline churches.  If one doesn't tow the line on a certain question or belief, or takes a different view that he thinks is biblical, one can be discriminated against, made unwelcome or told to go somewhere else.  Many in authority misuse their position to try to force others to their line of thinking in areas that they should not.  They have become Nicolaitanes, Jesus condemned the beliefs or practices of the Nicolaitanes in Revelation Chap. 2.  That is one thing Jesus said he hates.   The word Nicolaitane comes from the words nico meaning to conquer and laitane meaning the laity.  Conquer the laity.  They think they are infallible and have all the answers and mix faith with ideas from the world.  Sincerity does not equate to truth all the time.

RE: " I've seen freedom of speech and belief on a certain issue even cancelled in modern mainline churches." 

I think u could live with that tho?

When I referred to cancelled, I meant literally. 

Daresay that would test a person's faith. 

[John Stone]

When I was a kid - my mother would tend the graves of our ancestors. 

On many of the headstones would be inscribed, 'Rest in Peace'

I never understood the meaning - I do now. 

 

[blackbird]

7 minutes ago, John Stone said:

RE: " I've seen freedom of speech and belief on a certain issue even cancelled in modern mainline churches." 

I think u could live with that tho?

When I referred to cancelled, I meant literally. 

Daresay that would test a person's faith. 

Wokeness or progressivism has crept into mainline churches over the decades.   Sometimes churches split over these issues..  Then years later, split again.   Modernism and progressivism is a disease that spreads.

Edited December 25, 2025 by blackbird

[John Stone]

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Wokeness or progressivism has crept into mainline churches over the decades.   Sometimes churches split over these issues..  Then years later, split again.   Modernism and progressivism is a disease that spreads.

.............. I wouldn't label it as a disease - religious ideology is by definition, conservative. 

A tree that won't bend in the wind, breaks.

Catholicism is likely doomed  for that very reason  - between a rock and a hard place. 

In terms of survival, it is likely more strategic for a faith to 'bend' - be inclusive - a smaller tent does not work re: spreading the 'word'. 

I don't criticize / ridicule those with faith - quite the opposite - just stay out of my lane.

Hypocritical doesn't adequately describe the majority. 

 

[blackbird]

35 minutes ago, John Stone said:

.............. I wouldn't label it as a disease - religious ideology is by definition, conservative. 

A tree that won't bend in the wind, breaks.

Catholicism is likely doomed  for that very reason  - between a rock and a hard place. 

In terms of survival, it is likely more strategic for a faith to 'bend' - be inclusive - a smaller tent does not work re: spreading the 'word'. 

I don't criticize / ridicule those with faith - quite the opposite - just stay out of my lane.

Hypocritical doesn't adequately describe the majority. 

 

Some large mainline denomination have become apostate or fallen away from the truth in the Bible.

For example,

"The leadership of the Anglican Church of Canada has taken the position that attempts to oppose MAiD would be ineffective, and that the church should rather focus on pastoral care.[i] However, the pastoral care that is being put forward actually embraces complicity in MAiD, as we explain below."

Position Statement on Medical Assistance in Dying (MAiD) – The Prayer Book Society of Canada

I think that the best churches or the ones closest to the truth would be rare and far between.  They would be small independent churches.

Ironically, the papacy reportedly said the worst kind of churches are the fundamental churches, you know, the ones that really take the Bible literally.  The papacy is willing to embrace other false religions of the world to some extent but they don't want anything to do with those fundamental Bible churches.

Edited December 25, 2025 by blackbird

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, John Stone said:

In terms of survival, it is likely more strategic for a faith to 'bend' - be inclusive - a smaller tent does not work re: spreading the 'word'. 

We could debate these things, but today is Christmas Day, a time to remember what God did for mankind.  We just had a church service last Sunday evening and this Christmas morning where we sang some of traditional Christmas hymns.  We remember how God sent his Son, Jesus Christ, to be born in a lowly manger in the little town of Bethlehem.  This is not a fairy tale.  This is exactly what God did.  He didn't come to earth as a King with a crown and sitting on a throne.  He came as a lowly baby in a situation of poverty.  This is a good time to read about Jesus in the gospel of Luke or John and learn what it all means.  Why did Jesus come into the world?  That is an important question.  I hope and pray you will consider this if you are not already knowledgeable on it.  This is something that can be life changing for eternity, both in this life and the next.  Merry Christmas and may God bless you.

[herbie]

76,475 Canadians have died by MAID. Is that too many?

here. Panic, have a shit fit of outrage.

[Venandi]

On 12/24/2025 at 11:20 PM, eyeball said:

Why isn't it called the Perfect Party? 

Probably because you aren't in it.

That was a riddle... right?

Edited December 28, 2025 by Venandi

[Venandi]

On 12/25/2025 at 4:33 PM, herbie said:

have a shit fit of outrage.

Just for fun, have a look at the number of people who received MAID for non life threatening conditions and compare it to the number of people who donated organs after MAID.

Ya... even you can see where I'm going with this eh?  If I wanted to donate organs to a specific recipient why shouldn't I be able to do that, and why shouldn't I be able to do it in the form of a contract (offer acceptance and consideration)?

Now throw in MAID for mental illness and consider the matter a bit further... you'll be able to fill a new thread with your thoughtful observations. And before you ridicule the idea, just consider that we're currently doing what you once ridiculed and now defend. 

Most people agree (or reluctantly agree) with the concept as originally envisioned but they don't like where it's headed... and your toxic BS does little to further your argument. Average people no longer GAF about your insults and (IMO), the days of treating toxic trolls like you with polite consideration are likely over... I don't think it's good look for any of your future arguments.

 

Edited December 28, 2025 by Venandi

[John Stone]

So called, 'MAID' enables a sense of control for those diagnosed with T.I.  or chronic suffering. 

Increasingly tho it will raise concerns re: the impact on life insurance policies.

Likely somewhat akin to a person paying  vehicle insurance for years with no accidents and timing out  vs. an  individual with vehicle insurance  over a short period having a major claim payout re: property or liability - the insurance company loses $$.  Multiply that loss over tens  of thousands of claims ............. and increasing. 

No doubt the funding gov is saving billions on health care costs - hell of a campaign slogan tho. 

[TreeBeard]

4 hours ago, John Stone said:

No doubt the funding gov is saving billions on health care costs

Where do you get these figures?

[herbie]

He actually thinks Insurance companies will pay out if someone chooses MAID?

 

[TreeBeard]

3 hours ago, herbie said:

He actually thinks Insurance companies will pay out if someone chooses MAID?

 

Insurance companies might not like it!  Oh no!  😥 

That is certainly a poor reason to not give people a right to die with dignity.  

Edited December 29, 2025 by TreeBeard

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

That is certainly a poor reason to not give people a right to die with dignity.

MAID is NOT death with dignity.  That is the biggest lie or fabrication imaginable.  Euthanasia (MAID) is about poisoning people to death.  That is the truth.

 

[blackbird]

Health Canada released the 2024 euthanasia data on November 28, 2025.  The number of euthanasia deaths of people who were not terminally ill increased by 17% to 732.

[TreeBeard]

55 minutes ago, blackbird said:

MAID is NOT death with dignity.  That is the biggest lie or fabrication imaginable.  Euthanasia (MAID) is about poisoning people to death.  That is the truth.

 

Who are you to say anyone should suffer?  They want death with dignity, then they have that right. 

[Zeitgeist]

15 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Who are you to say anyone should suffer?  They want death with dignity, then they have that right. 

Don’t worry, there are no legal consequences for people who kill themselves.  You can get off consequence free for doing yourself in, at least in terms of legal consequences.

People of faith tend to value life because they believe that people are more than just tissue and that life is sacred.

In the major religions suicide is considered a sin generally because it is wrong to despair.  Hope is a virtue.

I don’t judge anyone who commits suicide.  Perhaps the pain or despair is beyond what I can fathom.  I just don’t think the state or public should be accomplices, especially the healthcare system.  Calling suicide healthcare is Orwellian: War is peace; death is life.

 

[User]

26 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Who are you to say anyone should suffer?  They want death with dignity, then they have that right. 

"suffer"

Yeah, folks want to pretend this program is about people in chronic pain slowly and agonizingly dying... when in reality the program was expanded and is killing people for more than this now.

When you see someone about to jump off a bridge, you might as stop to help shove them off...