CdnFox Posted December 17, 2025 Author Report Posted December 17, 2025 6 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Repeat ...Pisses you off eh?? LOL LOL LOL Awww... poor baby Loser still crying about LOSING.. Move on pedophile LOSER HA HA HA Oh noes, did THAT little jab make you cry AGAIN?!?! Man you are so damned delicate. I'm sorry i should have issued a trigger warning 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CdnFox Posted December 17, 2025 Author Report Posted December 17, 2025 3 hours ago, herbie said: Lakebottom is almost always great farmland,as is floodplain. Thar lake was extremely shallow with many wetlands and a massive breeding ground for mosquitoes. Yeah, more of a slower swamp. Home to a million piranha-mosquitoes as I understand it 3 hours ago, herbie said: Being of a still entirely colonial mindset at the time, they didn't give a tinker's dam about the native tribes, Who were harvesting the mosquitoes for food or something? Don't be stupid if you can possibly avoid it. 3 hours ago, herbie said: 70 plus years pf mostly sheer luck after the flood of 1948 has made that land immensely valuable today. We shouldn't think of cementing it over with condos like the Okanagan and Richmond. Especially while we're complaining about the cost of food that would all be imported. True. We have precious little farmland especially this far south and it should be preserved and used as such. On this we agree 1 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted December 17, 2025 Report Posted December 17, 2025 10 hours ago, CdnFox said: Oh noes, did THAT little jab make you cry AGAIN?!?! Man you are so damned delicate. I'm sorry i should have issued a trigger warning Repeat ...Pisses you off eh?? LOL LOL LOL Awww... poor baby Loser still crying about LOSING.. Move on pedophile LOSER HA HA HA 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
eyeball Posted December 17, 2025 Report Posted December 17, 2025 (edited) 14 hours ago, CdnFox said: Who were harvesting the mosquitoes for food or something? Don't be stupid if you can possibly avoid it. You obviously don't even try. The lake used to support sturgeon, trout, salmon, grizzly bears and geese, and its wetland habitat was a destination for migrating birds and a breeding ground for both fish and waterfowl. Flocks of white-fronted goose as well as whistling swan and Hutchins geese also used the lake. Its partially sandy banks also provided for sturgeon spawning grounds. The lake supplied food to the Sumas Band, and their life ways were intimately connected to it. In the late 1800s, the lake drew the attention of various naturalists within the growing European population engaged in the work of cataloging the flora and fauna that they encountered where they settled. But for sure, it was probably mostly like Palestine...empty land where nothing happened. 🙄 Edited December 17, 2025 by eyeball 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted December 17, 2025 Author Report Posted December 17, 2025 1 hour ago, eyeball said: You obviously don't even try. To harvest mosquitoes? Well you got me there big guy Quote The lake used to support sturgeon, trout, salmon, grizzly bears and geese, and its wetland habitat was a destination for migrating birds and a breeding ground for both fish and waterfowl. Flocks of white-fronted goose as well as whistling swan and Hutchins geese also used the lake. Its partially sandy banks also provided for sturgeon spawning grounds. The lake supplied food to the Sumas Band, and their life ways were intimately connected to it. In the late 1800s, the lake drew the attention of various naturalists within the growing European population engaged in the work of cataloging the flora and fauna that they encountered where they settled. And? None of that changes anything I said. Literally all of that is still happening in that exact same area right now in fact, the stream right beside my house which is very close to that area is full of salmon. And it'll be streams and rivers that the first nations take their salmon from, not a big lake Quote But for sure, it was probably mostly like Palestine...empty land where nothing happened. 🙄 ??????? Whatever you're drinking, you need to put the cork back in the bottle right now. You're over your limit 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted December 17, 2025 Report Posted December 17, 2025 7 minutes ago, CdnFox said: None of that changes anything I said. Nor does it change the debate around retreating in the face of worsening flooding or not. Managed Retreat (Buyouts) ~$1 Billion Researchers (UBC) estimate that acquiring approximately 1,300 properties on the historic Sumas lakebed would cost around $956 million to $1 billion. Infrastructure Upgrades $2.4 - $2.8 Billion The City of Abbotsford’s preferred long-term plan includes a new pump station, dike repairs, and floodways, with costs estimated up to $2.8 billion. Recovery/Damage Costs $4 - $9 Billion Initial 2021 response and recovery costs were estimated at over $4 billion, while some later projections for total rebuilding and infrastructure reinstatement reached nearly $9 billion. 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted December 17, 2025 Author Report Posted December 17, 2025 6 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Repeat ...Pisses you off eh?? LOL LOL LOL Awww... poor baby Loser still crying about LOSING.. Move on pedophile LOSER HA HA HA Oh look who's mommy forgot to change his diapers again today and now he's cranky 1 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CdnFox Posted December 17, 2025 Author Report Posted December 17, 2025 4 minutes ago, eyeball said: Nor does it change the debate around retreating in the face of worsening flooding or not.lion. That's very true. It's still a terrible idea even with that information. The swamp wasn't terribly useful other than in the same breeding ground for starving mosquitoes. The Farmland however is exceptionally valuable. Food security is an important thing. Being able to produce the food that you eat is critical to the first nations and other communities in the area So you accidentally kind of made my point for me We already have hundreds if not thousands of salmon streams, trout lakes, and a near infinite supply of bears but we have very very little farmland to feed our people. That includes first nations people Best to keep the land. 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted December 17, 2025 Report Posted December 17, 2025 2 minutes ago, CdnFox said: The Farmland however is exceptionally valuable. Sure, so long as the cost of producing it is reflected in the price. The cost of infrastructure upgrades is a massive public subsidy compared to the benefits. If the produce is that exceptionally valuable it should be able to meet the cost of producing it. Just raise the price or apply an infrastructure tax. 8 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Food security is an important thing. Being able to produce the food that you eat is critical to the first nations and other communities in the area. Those pearls of concern you're suddenly clutching for First Nations sure are precious too aren't they? 9 minutes ago, CdnFox said: So you accidentally kind of made my point for me We already have hundreds if not thousands of salmon streams, trout lakes, and a near infinite supply of bears but we have very very little farmland to feed our people. That includes first nations people No, you just got big mad and want to blame me for it. It doesn't sound like food security should be an issue if we have a near infinite supply of bears and salmon don't you think? 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
ExFlyer Posted December 17, 2025 Report Posted December 17, 2025 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Oh look who's mommy forgot to change his diapers again today and now he's cranky Repeat ...Pisses you off eh?? LOL LOL LOL Awww... poor baby Loser still crying about LOSING.. Move on pedophile LOSER HA HA HA 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
CdnFox Posted December 17, 2025 Author Report Posted December 17, 2025 1 hour ago, eyeball said: Sure, so long as the cost of producing it is reflected in the price. The cost of infrastructure upgrades is a massive public subsidy compared to the benefits. No it isn't. It's actually pretty minor. The problem is that they haven't been doing it and upkeeping it over time and now there's deferred maintenance essentially. But for the amount of food bearing land it's actually a pretty good deal. They just have to do it 1 hour ago, eyeball said: If the produce is that exceptionally valuable it should be able to meet the cost of producing it. Just raise the price or apply an infrastructure tax. They already paying infrastructure tax. Those farmers pay and have paid for many decades the tax is necessary to maintain their infrastructure. The federal provincial and local governments have a duty of care to actually address these issues and to negotiate with America who has to do their part as well. So far this is failed to happen. It's not the farmers fault. 1 hour ago, eyeball said: Those pearls of concern you're suddenly clutching for First Nations sure are precious too aren't they? So you're thinking that the first nations don't deserve food? I mean I'm not surprised, you're frequently calling for the death of ethnic groups you don't like. But I think you'll find there is a little bit of a duty of care there. Just pretend the farmers are Palestinians and the water is Jewish settlers and you'll be on side with everyone else in moments 1 hour ago, eyeball said: No, you just got big mad and want to blame me for it Not mad at all, mostly amused to the fact that you proved my point for me But I do appreciate you contributing to my amusement for the day by doubling down on some stupid with some more stupid LOL always good for a laugh 1 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted December 18, 2025 Report Posted December 18, 2025 11 minutes ago, CdnFox said: No it isn't. It's actually pretty minor. The problem is that they haven't been doing it and upkeeping it over time and now there's deferred maintenance essentially. But for the amount of food bearing land it's actually a pretty good deal. They just have to do it They already paying infrastructure tax. Those farmers pay and have paid for many decades the tax is necessary to maintain their infrastructure. The federal provincial and local governments have a duty of care to actually address these issues and to negotiate with America who has to do their part as well. So far this is failed to happen. It's not the farmers fault. Okay. Do you have any kind of analysis or study that shows why the amount of food produced is a good deal ? We could start here...AI says... Agricultural production in the Sumas Prairie (located within Abbotsford, BC) contributes significantly to a regional sector that generates approximately $1 billion in annual farm gate sales. While specific isolated figures for only the Sumas Prairie portion often vary by study, its economic impact is a core driver of the broader Abbotsford agricultural economy, which is recognized as the most productive in Canada on a per-hectare basis. I figure climate change will ultimately settle the issue, probably sooner rather than later and it'll likely cost everyone a shitwhack. With higher food prices for sure, as for public debt...ok, I'm usually pretty meh with that anyway so. Of course people need to eat but the flooding raises the spectre of the increasingly unsustainable nature of the dilemma we're in. The importance of the area to Canada's food supply really underscores how vulnerable we already are to AGW and the worsening weather it brings. BTW, when can we count on all this plant food we're emitting to transform Canada's vast landscape into agricultural land? I'm often told AGW will be beneficial to Canada. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
taxme Posted December 18, 2025 Report Posted December 18, 2025 On 12/12/2025 at 8:22 AM, ExFlyer said: I have relatives in Fraser Valley and in Surrey, so far, they are OK. They had major flooding last year in mid October and then back in 2021. I would think they are somewhat prepared and have mitigation in effect. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/livestory/bc-flooding-fraser-valley-sumas-river-live-updates-9.7010864 It is sad to see that you are still okay. Just saying. 😂😂😂 1 Quote
taxme Posted December 18, 2025 Report Posted December 18, 2025 9 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Repeat ...Pisses you off eh?? LOL LOL LOL Awww... poor baby Loser still crying about LOSING.. Move on pedophile LOSER HA HA HA What a sick pathetic pos LOSER that you really are, my little biotch. Everything that CDNFOX and i say here always pisses you off. You make our day, LOSER. LOLOLOLOLOLOL. You keep using that word pedophile a lot around here, LOSER. Is there something that you are not telling us about yourself here, my little biotch? Just asking. 😱 1 Quote
taxme Posted December 18, 2025 Report Posted December 18, 2025 3 hours ago, eyeball said: Nor does it change the debate around retreating in the face of worsening flooding or not. Managed Retreat (Buyouts) ~$1 Billion Researchers (UBC) estimate that acquiring approximately 1,300 properties on the historic Sumas lakebed would cost around $956 million to $1 billion. Infrastructure Upgrades $2.4 - $2.8 Billion The City of Abbotsford’s preferred long-term plan includes a new pump station, dike repairs, and floodways, with costs estimated up to $2.8 billion. Recovery/Damage Costs $4 - $9 Billion Initial 2021 response and recovery costs were estimated at over $4 billion, while some later projections for total rebuilding and infrastructure reinstatement reached nearly $9 billion. Who cares anyway. BC is like Canada today, all phkd up, thanks to the leftist lieberals and the NDP communists that have allowed the problem to carry on. BC has become a communist province just like Canada has become a communist country. The hundreds of billions of tax dollars that have and still are being blown on communist programs and agendas where instead those tax dollars should have gone to fixing many of Canadas infrastructure problems and not on net zero greenie projects or massive 3rd world immigration. Those two alone have pretty much destroyed Canada, and not to forget about all of this Indian reconciliation lies and nonsense. More tax dollars being blown for nothing. BC and Canada should cease to exist any longer. Come save us President Trump from the communist fools that have destroyed this once great freedom loving country called Canada. Works for me.😁 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted December 18, 2025 Author Report Posted December 18, 2025 3 hours ago, eyeball said: Okay. Do you have any kind of analysis or study that shows why the amount of food produced is a good deal ? Sure Quote We could start here...AI says... Agricultural production in the Sumas Prairie (located within Abbotsford, BC) contributes significantly to a regional sector that generates approximately $1 billion in annual farm gate sales. While specific isolated figures for only the Sumas Prairie portion often vary by study, its economic impact is a core driver of the broader Abbotsford agricultural economy, which is recognized as the most productive in Canada on a per-hectare basis. Okay. So they're saying it's going to cost about $4 billion dollars to do the infrastructure necessary to pretty much guarantee no future floods. Or minor flooding at best. That infrastructure should last about 20 years. And that's being generously short-lived. So assuming an average interest rate of about 4% which is what inflation is right now in fact inflation is slightly higher, that's about 23 BILLION dollars in economic activity directly, plus all the secondary and tertiary activity. On top of which you don't have to pay any money to buy up the properties or redo the transcanada. So for a couple billion you get a massive amount of economic activity based on your figures I figure climate change will ultimately settle the issue, probably sooner rather than later and it'll likely cost everyone a shitwhack. Well that's pretty big. The global warming just shows that we need more and more viable arable land. Quote Of course people need to eat but the flooding raises the spectre of the increasingly unsustainable nature of the dilemma we're in. The importance of the area to Canada's food supply really underscores how vulnerable we already are to AGW and the worsening weather it brings. Yeah, sure. I can't argue, that's pretty definitive proof that our food supply is a delicate thing which can be impacted by climate change substantially. But we still have to live with that because climate change isn't going away. So adaptation is obviously the direction we need to move it Quote BTW, when can we count on all this plant food we're emitting to transform Canada's vast landscape into agricultural land? Plant food that we're emitting??? Are you talking about carbon? Or did your geraniums just fart. Quote I'm often told AGW will be beneficial to Canada. Looks that way. We're already seeing some areas that weren't entirely viable becoming more so, growing seasons appear to be getting a little longer. It would appear that we're already beginning to benefit. 2024 was a good year Canada's 2024 crop season saw strong production, especially in wheat (up 6.1% to 35M tonnes) and fruits (like blueberries/cranberries), with overall grains and oilseeds near 102M tonnes, despite some crop area shifts; it was a good year for quality, with high-grade wheat, though projections varied slightly by crop and province, showing resilient overall output from a diverse sector. 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted December 18, 2025 Report Posted December 18, 2025 12 hours ago, taxme said: What a sick pathetic pos LOSER that you really are, my little biotch. Everything that CDNFOX and i say here always pisses you off. You make our day, LOSER. LOLOLOLOLOLOL. You keep using that word pedophile a lot around here, LOSER. Is there something that you are not telling us about yourself here, my little biotch? Just asking. 😱 Repeat ...Pisses you off eh too?? LOL LOL LOL Awww... poor baby Loser still crying about LOSING.. I use the word pedophile to those that keep admitting they are texting with a teenager, 12 year old, child. little biotch etc ...like you abd congfux do ...so, if the panties fit...then it is you LOL Just telling HA HA HA Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted December 18, 2025 Report Posted December 18, 2025 12 hours ago, taxme said: It is sad to see that you are still okay. Just saying. 😂😂😂 I said "I have relatives in Fraser Valley and in Surrey, so far, they are OK." I see you still have reading comprehension issues LOL. You are not OK LOL LOL LOL Just saying HA HA. HA 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
CdnFox Posted December 18, 2025 Author Report Posted December 18, 2025 4 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Repeat ...Pisses you off eh too?? LOL LOL LOL Awww... poor baby Loser still crying about LOSING.. I use the word pedophile to those that keep admitting they are texting with a teenager, 12 year old, child. little biotch etc ...like you abd congfux do ...so, if the panties fit...then it is you LOL Just telling HA HA HA Uh oh @taxme. Looks like you broke him and created an emotional crisis. And it wasn't even dawn yet 4 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Just saying HA HA. HA He accepts your admission of defeat 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Nationalist Posted December 18, 2025 Report Posted December 18, 2025 On 12/12/2025 at 6:37 PM, CdnFox said: No, sadly mitigation is quite limited. This is already being brought up as a bone of contention, it's like we learned nothing from 2021. I mean in some respects there's only so much you can do, the river that's flooding is in the American side of the border not ours. And all that land is supposed to be underwater, the royal engineers drained it back in the day and we still have a massive pump station complex to keep it dry. That pump station hasn't been upgraded in forever and can't keep up with the flood waters. I think a lot of the people learned their lesson from last time and there's been a major effort to get animals and machinery to higher ground. But there's nothing you can do about the homes. Last time we had the bad flood people were literally showing up with boats to go get the cows out. and in a lot of cases it was too late. So it seems like we're better off this time or at least the farmers are. It's bad. There's no doubt. But we'll get through it as soon as always Sounds vaguely familiar. 'But we didnt expect LA to burn this bad.' 1 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
CdnFox Posted December 18, 2025 Author Report Posted December 18, 2025 50 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Sounds vaguely familiar. 'But we didnt expect LA to burn this bad.' Yeah. If @eyeball was running the states apparently, he'd recommend just letting la burn and not requiring it because it's cheaper that way 1 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted December 18, 2025 Report Posted December 18, 2025 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Uh oh @taxme. Looks like you broke him and created an emotional crisis. And it wasn't even dawn yet He accepts your admission of defeat LOSERS like you always whine and cry because it is not their way LOL LOL LOL Repeat ...Pisses you off eh?? LOL LOL LOL Awww... poor baby Loser still crying about LOSING.. Move on pedophile LOSER HA HA HA 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Nationalist Posted December 18, 2025 Report Posted December 18, 2025 22 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: LOSERS like you always whine and cry because it is not their way LOL LOL LOL Repeat ...Pisses you off eh?? LOL LOL LOL Awww... poor baby Loser still crying about LOSING.. Move on pedophile LOSER HA HA HA Good grief...you were rather level headed not to long ago. Ever since the election you've been nothing more than robobot Jr. 1 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
ExFlyer Posted December 18, 2025 Report Posted December 18, 2025 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Good grief...you were rather level headed not to long ago. Ever since the election you've been nothing more than robobot Jr. I was respectfully discussing the flooding in the Lower Mainland of BC until taxhe and confux decided to be a jerkoffs. Edited December 18, 2025 by ExFlyer 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Nationalist Posted December 18, 2025 Report Posted December 18, 2025 2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: I was respectfully discussing the flooding in the Lower Mainland of BC until taxhe and confux decided to be a jerkoffs. No...I'm not buyin' it. You've displayed abject childishness for months now. Why? 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
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