Stephen Harper already using terrorism for political gain!

[Temagami Scourge]

I am by far someone who supports Harper but in this case I believe it is appropriate for the leader of the nation to speak out and say what he did on behalf of all Canadians including Muslim Canadians. As leader of the nation, he has a responsibility to speak directly to such issues and what else is he expected to say? It is absolute b.s. for a few of the Muslim leaders in Toronto to say he should shut up. That is pure b.s. He is the leader of this nation and he will speak up against terrorists whether they are Muslims or anything else. Its b.s. to say he can't say anything because it upsets Muslims who feel they might be associated with these terrorists. Nothing Harper said made disparaging comments about Muslims or suggested they are collectively responsible for these idiots who quote Islam. This knee jerk reaction that its racist to speak out against terrorism is pure b.s. These few Muslim leaders who criticized Harper are allowing terrorists when they get caught to hide behind their religion or ethnicity. That is b.s. In fact the Muslim community should applaud what Harper said and make it clear they stand by him-in that way they will counter the hatred against them that will blow back from this mess. I say to all Muslims, don't be afraid to criticize your fellow Muslims who do these things and don't be afraid when your PM speaks out against terrorists.

I haven't heard anything about Toronto muslims telling Harper to be quiet, and I read the Star, Globe and Sun daily.

Is this new, and if so, why are you decrying the "few" Islamic leaders who may have been upset with Hapah, when the many are totally against this and awaiting tonght's Stanley Cup opener?

[gerryhatrick]

Using Hitler in anyway is scrapping the bottom of the barrel which is wrong as Millions of people died to defeat that Evil Bastard..

Indeed. Using the same tactics in controlling the masses should also be frowned upon.

You have to be joking if you actually believe that this is somehow a plot between Harper and all other agencies involved. This has been going on for two years, it started with the liberals, so how on earth could Harper have engineered it all. Talk about tinfoil hat time.

I have no idea what you're talking about. You've obviously misunderstood something completely.

The tactics I'm talking about are wholly perpetrated by the Conservative party. No need for "other agencies".

And it's something that's begun just since the election.

[kimmy]

Why is there a campaign afoot by the Conservative party to place the word "new" in our face all the time?

There's always a campaign "afoot".

There isn't always a concious repetiation of a particular phrase happening, is there?

As the article points out, he used the term "new government" twice in one day talking about terrorism.

And if you go look at the canada.gc.ca site what do you see? "CANADA'S NEW GOVERNMENT" appears twice.

Try googling it! I did.

It's pretty odd, but not if you consider the basics of political propaganda as the article presents in the form of Hitlers words.

I think Stephen needs to just be himself and stop listening to his paid hypnotists.

I suspect that mentioning his "new government" at every opportunity might have something to do with wanting to remind people that he's not affiliated with the pack of scam-artists that ran this country for the previous 12 years.

I suspect there's a point implied when he uses the phrase. For instance, "Canada's old government might have treated the military like crap, but Canada's new government is behind you."

Do you honestly think Stephen Harper is the first Canadian Prime Minister to work a favorite slogan into his speeches? Should we go through some of Paul Martin's speeches and see how often he mentioned some of his inane slogans?

-kimmy

[Wilber]

Using Hitler in anyway is scrapping the bottom of the barrel which is wrong as Millions of people died to defeat that Evil Bastard..

Indeed. Using the same tactics in controlling the masses should also be frowned upon.

You have to be joking if you actually believe that this is somehow a plot between Harper and all other agencies involved. This has been going on for two years, it started with the liberals, so how on earth could Harper have engineered it all. Talk about tinfoil hat time.

I have no idea what you're talking about. You've obviously misunderstood something completely.

The tactics I'm talking about are wholly perpetrated by the Conservative party. No need for "other agencies".

And it's something that's begun just since the election.

Must of missed something. Where did the "No need for " other agencies"" come from?

Every new government tries to distance itself from the previous government. They generally get elected because people are fed up with the old bunch. Most desirable when the previous government has been disgraced by a massive abuse of public trust.

The Conservatives didn't invent the use of propaganda in Canadian politics and not every politician who has ever used propaganda to further their agenda got the idea from Mein Kampf. Very few in my opinion.

[gc1765]

I think that rather than comparing Harper to Hitler, a much better comparison would be to compare the reaction of Harper to that of Bush after 9/11. There is no doubt that Bush used anti-terrorism in his 2004 campaign, that he would be "tough" on terror. That is, at least in part, why he got re-elected. I think Harper is using the same fear tactic: "this new government...", implying that the conservatives will be much tougher on terror than the liberals. So yes, it is using it to his political advantage. Of course what some people don't realize is that based on the number of deaths from terrorism vs. cancer, you are about 1000 times more likely to die of cancer, but cancer does sell a campaign as well as terrorism.

[killjoy]

Of course what some people don't realize is that based on the number of deaths from terrorism vs. cancer, you are about 1000 times more likely to die of cancer, but cancer does sell a campaign as well as terrorism.

And you're infinitely more likely to get cancer than die in a terroist attack if the people planning this stuff get caught because of your new security measures, instead of going on to bomb T.O.

I suppose Harper should be concerting his efforts to cure cancer instead. Can't the guy get anything right?

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[gc1765]

I suppose Harper should be concerting his efforts to cure cancer instead.

What a great idea!

[killjoy]

I suppose Harper should be concerting his efforts to cure cancer instead.

What a great idea!

A pity the Liberals didn't think of it sometime over the past 12 years of robbing us blind... until they were voted out. Now it's time to hold the PM up to higher standards.

no doubt.

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[gc1765]

I suppose Harper should be concerting his efforts to cure cancer instead.

What a great idea!

A pity the Liberals didn't think of it sometime over the past 12 years of robbing us blind... until they were voted out. Now it's time to hold the PM up to higher standards.

no doubt.

The liberals did create CIHR, a step in the right direction, but it would be nice if it had more funding. It's too bad the U.S. didn't use that 200 billion on the war in iraq to fight cancer, who knows we just might have a cure by now. Or at least it could have eradicated aids or poverty in africa. Oh well, too late now.

[killjoy]

Bush and his 200 billion for Iraq has absolutely nothing to do it although I can see why you wish it did.

CIHR? Ok. Bully for them. They did something that required very little inititive on their part. Cancer is cured then thanks to the beautiful Liberals. I can't wait to tell everyone.

Bottom line is the Liberals spent as much on a 'security sweep' a couple years ago that was a complete and utter fiasco and you weren't calling for their heads then or comparing them to Bush. This sweep yielded results. I know you hate it but too bad.

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[gerryhatrick]

I think that rather than comparing Harper to Hitler, a much better comparison would be to compare the reaction of Harper to that of Bush after 9/11. There is no doubt that Bush used anti-terrorism in his 2004 campaign, that he would be "tough" on terror. That is, at least in part, why he got re-elected. I think Harper is using the same fear tactic:

Indeed. He's all over this cause he knows fear = votes.

[August1991]

I think that rather than comparing Harper to Hitler, a much better comparison would be to compare the reaction of Harper to that of Bush after 9/11. There is no doubt that Bush used anti-terrorism in his 2004 campaign, that he would be "tough" on terror. That is, at least in part, why he got re-elected. I think Harper is using the same fear tactic:

Indeed. He's all over this cause he knows fear = votes.

Harper using fear to get votes? In our cities? In Canada? I'm not making this up.

[killjoy]

Indeed. He's all over this cause he knows fear = votes.

lol. Against all logic and factual basis to the contrary.

Is fear how he got in there the first time? Or was it Liberal shenanigans (which is just a kind word for fraud/robbery).

I suppose if he never mentioned any of this himself he would've been lambasted for not mentioning it. I guess the "Liberal" way to react to a massive bomb plot is to ignore it entirely and throw money at something else.

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[gerryhatrick]

Indeed. He's all over this cause he knows fear = votes.

lol. Against all logic and factual basis to the contrary.

Is fear how he got in there the first time? Or was it Liberal shenanigans (which is just a kind word for fraud/robbery).

I don't see how the last election excuses Harper for jumping on the "I'll protect you from terrorists who hate us 'cause of our values!" bandwagon.

[Argus]

Indeed. He's all over this cause he knows fear = votes.

lol. Against all logic and factual basis to the contrary.

Is fear how he got in there the first time? Or was it Liberal shenanigans (which is just a kind word for fraud/robbery).

I don't see how the last election excuses Harper for jumping on the "I'll protect you from terrorists who hate us 'cause of our values!" bandwagon.

If there is such a bandwagon the Conservatives own it. No one has been more outspoken over the years regarding our security lapses and the need to improve security, police and military forces than the Conservatives.

[killjoy]

No one has been more outspoken over the years regarding our security lapses and the need to improve security, police and military forces than the Conservatives.

There is a difference between being "the most outspoken" in tha country on an issue and being practically the only one speaking about it. It's a relative measure.

Just as Harper really is a Bush ass-kisser if not ass-kissing means you have to call Bush a moron, etc.

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[August1991]

If there is such a bandwagon the Conservatives own it. No one has been more outspoken over the years regarding our security lapses and the need to improve security, police and military forces than the Conservatives.

Throwing more money at them won't necessarily improve their services.

The US spends oodles of money on its various intelligence bureaucracies and yet they utterly failed to foresee the September 2001 attacks (or at least senior advisors ignored the advice of junior analysts). The INS has been particularly hopeless.

[mikedavid00]

It's pretty odd, but not if you consider the basics of political propaganda as the article presents in the form of Hitlers words.

I think Hitler made some good points regarding political propaganda. What I find reprehensible is the left continually associating Hitler with Harper or any other politician (right or left) in a democratic system.

There was an old saying on the newgroups - those who bring up Hitler first are the ones who lose the argument.

It's funny you know;

We compare Harper and Bush to Hitler,

But the guy with the mousedash rounding people up and using mustard gas to ethnically clense them (Sadam) is some sort of saint who me must defend.

Wow, our Univerisites really are doing a job on us.

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[Argus]

If there is such a bandwagon the Conservatives own it. No one has been more outspoken over the years regarding our security lapses and the need to improve security, police and military forces than the Conservatives.

Throwing more money at them won't necessarily improve their services.

The US spends oodles of money on its various intelligence bureaucracies and yet they utterly failed to foresee the September 2001 attacks (or at least senior advisors ignored the advice of junior analysts). The INS has been particularly hopeless.

Perhaps, but we can achieve a median where they aren't drowning in money nor are they so short-staffed they can't afford to hire enough people to screen immigrants or watch our borders. When the navy and coast guard have most of their ships tied up at dock because they can't afford fuel then they're underfunded. We also need the ports police put back in place, and pre-screening of refugees before they're released into the country. For some reason everyone is afraid of the idea of a refugee holding facility where such people should be kept until we can ascertain they're not a danger to the public.

[betsy]

So Bush and Harper are sharing the same stance regarding national security! And they're wrong?

Bloody hell. And I thought the number one priority of a nation's leader is the security of a country and its citizens from all types of hostilities....especially aggressive hostilities.

[Rue]

I haven't heard anything about Toronto muslims telling Harper to be quiet, and I read the Star, Globe and Sun daily.

Is this new, and if so, why are you decrying the "few" Islamic leaders who may have been upset with Hapah, when the many are totally against this and awaiting tonght's Stanley Cup opener?

As soon as Harper made his comment 4 Muslim leaders criticized him and suggested it was unfair to the Muslim community and made a point of going on t.v. to say so.

More to the point, and I will be even more specific, our PM has to speak out against terrorism as do we all.

[scribblet]

So Bush and Harper are sharing the same stance regarding national security! And they're wrong?

Bloody hell. And I thought the number one priority of a nation's leader is the security of a country and its citizens from all types of hostilities....especially aggressive hostilities.

No they are not wrong, they are doing their jobs. These guys can't be all bad though, they were going to hit the CBC.

I've been reading some other forums; meine gotte, I cannot believe the conspiracy theories. Why are people so anxious to discredit the RCMP, CSIS and the CPC gov't? What drives them to create and believe such fantasies?