FBI probes congressional Democrats who warned military about illegal orders

[gatomontes99]

13 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Is implying Trump’s orders were unlawful somehow illegal?  

If the intent is to cause service members to disobey orders, yes. 

[robosmith]

8 hours ago, Down East said:

I'm retired military.  Almost my entire neighborhood is active duty military, retired military and ex military and we are a close knit community. I associate with my active duty military friends every single day on my street, on base, at the club, at the golf course, the exchange......etc. etc. etc.

Most all of them are laughing at Kelly and his cohorts, and they think the video was disgusting. There hasn't been a single order that has came down through their chain of command that is anything close to illegal.

And, every single member of the military is trained on, and has a full understanding of what a illegal order is long before they leave boot camp.

Meanwhile, you think you really know something.

You're retired so you haven't been exposed to ANY ORDERS from Trump.

Did ANYONE order you to kill civilians in international waters or anywhere else, like My Lai. Viet Nam?

Soldiers were also prosecuted for executing civilians in Iraq.

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Yes, soldiers have been prosecuted for executing civilians in Iraq, though the outcomes have varied. Examples include the prosecution of Blackwater contractors for the Nisour Square massacre, where some were convicted but later pardoned, and the prosecution of U.S. Marines for the Haditha massacre

 

[robosmith]

8 hours ago, Down East said:

OMG.   There is certainly a legit danger of a military coup?  This statement is about as comical as Kelly's video.

Trump is dumping on the Constitution?   Really?   

Can you be specific, or are you just throwing this nonsense out there for some confirmation bias from your leftist echo chamber?

 

Trump is threatening treason prosecutions for stating the contents of ICMJ.

Just because you are IGNORANT doesn't mean it's not happening.

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Donald Trump recently accused Democratic lawmakers of "seditious behavior, punishable by death" after they created a video encouraging members of the military to refuse any illegal orders. These lawmakers, many of whom have military or intelligence backgrounds, reminded service members of their obligation under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) to disobey illegal orders. 

 

[User]

12 hours ago, robosmith said:

It is 1st Amendment protected speech, which is only illegal incitement if FALSE AND actually incites disobeying lawful orders.

Not sure what law you are citing here, but to the point, I’m all for a formal investigation to be sure no laws are broken.

In the meantime, a right or not, it was disgusting and wrong to do. 

 

Edited November 27, 2025 by User

[TreeBeard]

21 minutes ago, User said:

a right or not, it was disgusting and wrong to do. 

Are disgusting and wrong things punishable by hanging?  Or was that wrong and disgusting of Trump to suggest?

[Legato]

4 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Are disgusting and wrong things punishable by hanging?  Or was that wrong and disgusting of Trump to suggest?

Nope hanging too tame.

Hanging, drawing and quartering would be more apt.

[robosmith]

14 minutes ago, Legato said:

Nope hanging too tame.

Hanging, drawing and quartering would be more apt.

Only ^TROLLS torture

[gatomontes99]

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

You're retired so you haven't been exposed to ANY ORDERS from Trump.

Did ANYONE order you to kill civilians in international waters or anywhere else, like My Lai. Viet Nam?

Soldiers were also prosecuted for executing civilians in Iraq.

 

You do realize that the link you provided debunks what you are saying, don't you? In the examples they gave, they were either contractors or defying orders. 

[Legato]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Only ^TROLLS torture

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[robosmith]

3 minutes ago, Legato said:

We the Trolls are quite good at it, but expensive, you couldn't afford our services.

What makes you believe anyone wants your useless "services"?

 

[Legato]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

What makes you believe anyone wants your useless "services"?

 

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[User]

2 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Are disgusting and wrong things punishable by hanging?  Or was that wrong and disgusting of Trump to suggest?

They should be condemned by people, instead of defended. 

How about this, how about you admit what they said was disgusting and wrong, then you can ask me if I felt the same about Trump. 

Deal?

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

We trolls are very selective about our clients.

Fill in our 69 page application and your case will be reviewed in due time.

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^NO REASON for belief of ANY DEMAND. Duh

[TreeBeard]

14 minutes ago, User said:

They should be condemned by people, instead of defended. 

How about this, how about you admit what they said was disgusting and wrong, then you can ask me if I felt the same about Trump. 

Deal?

I think they’re right.  No one should follow illegal orders.  But there will be military personnel lined up to follow any orders, like there was to torture prisoners in Iraq.  
 

Sadly, these Democrats are naive.  They should have said “don’t follow illegal orders because, as senators, we will do what we can to hold you accountable if you, for example,  kill or torture someone”.

[User]

1 minute ago, TreeBeard said:

I think they’re right.  No one should follow illegal orders.  But there will be military personnel lined up to follow any orders, like there was to torture prisoners in Iraq.  
 

Sadly, these Democrats are naive.  They should have said “don’t follow illegal orders because, as senators, we will do what we can to hold you accountable if you, for example,  kill or torture someone”.

What illegal orders?

 

[TreeBeard]

50 minutes ago, User said:

What illegal orders?

 

The hypothetical ones. 

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, User said:

What illegal orders?

The ones ordering MURDER of CIVILIANS who were not threatening violence in international waters, and in some cases were turning around.

Thus making Trump's claims they were going to fast to intercept LUDICROUS.

[User]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

The ones ordering MURDER of CIVILIANS who were not threatening violence in international waters, and in some cases were turning around.

Thus making Trump's claims they were going to fast to intercept LUDICROUS.

What made this illegal?

I ask, because you have been unable to answer this and run away every time you are asked to explain. 

[Moonlight Graham]

On 11/26/2025 at 11:12 PM, User said:

In context, they did not merely say follow the law. The implication was clearly that Trump was giving them unlawful orders or soon would be, and they offered no examples. 

There is no danger of a military coup. None. Zero. This is stupid, dumb fear-mongering. 

Trump conceded the last election. Notice how we had 4 years of Biden?

I would vote for Trump any day rather than have Harris running things. 

 

Trump has yet to concede the last election.

So what happens next time if he just refuses to leave the White House?  And the FBI and other law enforcement are Trump supporters, which most are?  And he convinces many people again that the election was "stolen"?  Like the capital police who moved barricade to let the Han 6 rioters through.

That's how coups happen.  He already attempted a failed coup, he just didn't bring it as far as he could have.  They've had 4 years to plan and will have 4 years to prepare while in power.

[User]

30 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Trump has yet to concede the last election.

These are such simple things to look up and know by now... 
 

 

38 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

So what happens next time if he just refuses to leave the White House? 

He didn't refuse the last time. He got on the Helicopter and flew away. 

39 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

That's how coups happen.  He already attempted a failed coup, he just didn't bring it as far as he could have.  They've had 4 years to plan and will have 4 years to prepare while in power.

So, your brilliant argument is that everyone is just going to go along with Trump if he declares himself President again?

IF that is your dumb argument, it has nothing to do with Trump, that can "happen" any election... or anytime regardless of an election. 

It is just stupid fear mongering that has no practical path to coming to fruition. 

 

[Moonlight Graham]

2 hours ago, User said:

These are such simple things to look up and know by now... 
 

So when in that clip did he admit he lost the election?  He still says he won to this day.

2 hours ago, User said:

He didn't refuse the last time. He got on the Helicopter and flew away. 

And what if he cries the sky is falling again but has the FBI, secret service, DC police, and military behind him after 4 years of getting rid of everyone who opposes him? Not like this hasn't been done a hundred times before in countless countries.

2 hours ago, User said:

So, your brilliant argument is that everyone is just going to go along with Trump if he declares himself President again?

Not everyone, just the naive braindead sheep who support him and believe his con-job nonsense.  That could end up including most of the police, FBI, secret service, and military members.  Not many Kamala fans among them, and they aren't exactly Rhodes Scholars.

Keep defending that autocratic goon though...

[User]

10 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

So when in that clip did he admit he lost the election?  He still says he won to this day.

Notice how you dishonestly change the words there... You can find numerous reports on him "conceding" the election. 

So what if he thinks he didn't lose? The point here was that he conceded and left. 

12 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

And what if he cries the sky is falling again but has the FBI, secret service, DC police, and military behind him after 4 years of getting rid of everyone who opposes him? Not like this hasn't been done a hundred times before in countless countries.

And what if Aliens invade?

12 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Keep defending that autocratic goon though...

Not buying into your silly fear-mongering is not defending him. Pointing out that you are pushing false information is just that. 

 

[Barquentine]

On 11/25/2025 at 10:55 PM, Deluge said:

What "LAW", comrade?

"Republican Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky began going public with his concerns that the attacks amounted to illegal “extrajudicial killings,”

Talking about blowing up Venezualan drug boats. He's not the only one to think that.

[Legato]

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

Vaccines have ALWAYS been required by the military and THEY KNEW THAT when they SIGNED UP, CLOWN.

It was THEIR CHOICE TO RESIGN, LIAR.